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"Yes, so close to the bone " Aye it’ll be interesting to see what others think about it 🤔 | |||
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"What is it, I've never heard of it ?" You will, just watch this space | |||
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"What is it, I've never heard of it ? You will, just watch this space " Agreed 👍 | |||
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"What is it, I've never heard of it ?" Latest C4 serial by Russell T. Davies. Set in Manchester's Gay Village. Ageing gay bar owner and his somewhat homophobic neighbour. Not sure what to make of it. None of the characters very likeable. Doesn't show the 'scene' in a good light. Perhaps it will improve. | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " Stop beating about the bush. Tell us what you really think! | |||
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"What is it, I've never heard of it ?" Watch it, if only for the beautiful bum shot scene as one of the sons lifts his towel | |||
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"What is it, I've never heard of it ? Watch it, if only for the beautiful bum shot scene as one of the sons lifts his towel " How horny was that 😜 What a cute bum | |||
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"Really enjoying it, the end of episode 2 was brilliant"  | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " Tit | |||
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"Enjoyed it, despite what some think. The electrician neighbour is a bit of a freak." Electrician neighbour is, ironically, the most sexy guy although he looks like he's weird and 'gets off' on violence. Also looks like both his sons could be gay. | |||
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"Enjoyed it, despite what some think. The electrician neighbour is a bit of a freak. Electrician neighbour is, ironically, the most sexy guy although he looks like he's weird and 'gets off' on violence. Also looks like both his sons could be gay." Agree 👍 Mind the older son flashing his bum 🥵 | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " Is that you Mrs Whitehouse  | |||
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"But why start with the ending ? "Good point. Someone hanging from a lamp-post. Leo [main character but not a very likeable character] I think. Got to keep watching just to find out why. Did he do it himself or was it a lynch mob? How and why? | |||
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"But why start with the ending ?
Good point. Someone hanging from a lamp-post. Leo [main character but not a very likeable character] I think. Got to keep watching just to find out why. Did he do it himself or was it a lynch mob? How and why?"It’ll be interesting to find out | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " Sounds like you would be more content watching Bake-off | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " Actually, your angry and inarticulate response - after a whole 2 minutes of viewing (see the attention span) - goes some way to capturing the toxicity and intolerance pervading everyday life right now, that RTD is focused on. Congratulations - maybe you should become a screenwriter yourself, or at least a drama critic. On second thoughts... | |||
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"But why start with the ending ? "It's not exactly uncommon and was most recently adopted in the rather excellent - though deeply disturbing - 'Half Man'. | |||
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"I agree. It's a bit disturbing. Also, all those characters surely wouldn't put up with Clive's arrogance?? I wouldn't go near him It's a bit heavy. The flippancy of his son isn't ringing true. The chap he lied about to his father could easily dobb him in And how did the younger son know the alarm code?? " Assume the father told him about having a spare key and therefore the code as well, just in case. | |||
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"Totally enjoying it. "Aye it’s one of those things you just have to watch even if it is fucked up at times | |||
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"But why start with the ending ?
It's not exactly uncommon and was most recently adopted in the rather excellent - though deeply disturbing - 'Half Man'."Haven’t seen all of half man yet, can’t say I’m into it much so far. Hopefully it’ll get better lol xx | |||
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"I agree. It's a bit disturbing. Also, all those characters surely wouldn't put up with Clive's arrogance?? I wouldn't go near him It's a bit heavy. The flippancy of his son isn't ringing true. The chap he lied about to his father could easily dobb him in And how did the younger son know the alarm code?? " Younger son probably overheard his dad talking about the code. Same code for keybox and alarm. Clive's attitude is fairly typical of a lot of tradesmen although perhaps more rural areas than big cities. I know a few who would never go near a gay bar however desperate they were for work. Speaking of attitude the behavior of that awful Melba and the brewery guy made me cringe. | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " It's C4. Not BBC. The acting was brilliant. Only seen first episode so far but looks great. | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit It's C4. Not BBC. The acting was brilliant. Only seen first episode so far but looks great." The 2nd part is on channel 4 catch up, watched both episodes last night. | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " I'm going to guess you just don't like gay stuff. The idea that David Morrissey and Alan Cummings can't act is amongst the dumbest things I've heard. | |||
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"I've not seen it yet, but I've just finished "What It Feels Like for a Girl", on the BBC iPlayer. I was quite shocked to see a scene where he's sucking guys off in a public toilet. Not your usual BBC stuff "Paris Lee is a great writer | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit I'm going to guess you just don't like gay stuff. The idea that David Morrissey and Alan Cummings can't act is amongst the dumbest things I've heard." Couldn’t agree more | |||
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"So what's the younger son doing in Leo's with a cup of tea and in his underwear,?" We will find out Sunday evening. Daresay sparks will fly. | |||
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"But why start with the ending ? "This is the format of most dramas now, in this case it really makes you curious to find out what leads up to that ending. I'm disappointed that all episodes aren't available for a binge watch | |||
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"But why start with the ending ?
This is the format of most dramas now, in this case it really makes you curious to find out what leads up to that ending.
I'm disappointed that all episodes aren't available for a binge watch"Yes a binge watch and wank fest watching the two sons naked | |||
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"But why start with the ending ?
This is the format of most dramas now, in this case it really makes you curious to find out what leads up to that ending.
I'm disappointed that all episodes aren't available for a binge watch
Yes a binge watch and wank fest watching the two sons naked "Haven’t watched it all yet but I’m hoping we get to see the more of the older son naked especially that bum of his 😜 | |||
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"But why start with the ending ?
This is the format of most dramas now, in this case it really makes you curious to find out what leads up to that ending.
I'm disappointed that all episodes aren't available for a binge watch
Yes a binge watch and wank fest watching the two sons naked
Haven’t watched it all yet but I’m hoping we get to see the more of the older son naked especially that bum of his 😜"Older son? Naked bum? Wearing just a towel after stepping out of the shower? Wanking on cam for his only fans......nope can't remember seeing him  | |||
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"But why start with the ending ?
This is the format of most dramas now, in this case it really makes you curious to find out what leads up to that ending.
I'm disappointed that all episodes aren't available for a binge watch
Yes a binge watch and wank fest watching the two sons naked
Haven’t watched it all yet but I’m hoping we get to see the more of the older son naked especially that bum of his 😜
Older son? Naked bum? Wearing just a towel after stepping out of the shower? Wanking on cam for his only fans......nope can't remember seeing him "Haha me neither 😉 All wet toned with a lovely smooth bum it’s easy to forget ha ha Hope we see more of him | |||
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"Who is the actor plays Dame Melba. Just started to catchup on 4." Paul Rhys according to google | |||
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"Who is the actor plays Dame Melba. Just started to catchup on 4. Paul Rhys according to google" Eddie Izzard lookalike But can't beat the older son's pert smooth muscular buttocks, how many were upset when he lifted the towel and showed his bum, I was, had to calm down, wow! | |||
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"Anyone watching Tip Toe?" it’s funny and horny First one was good , when the mum was flicking her bean The son was on cam wanking The neighbour was wanking | |||
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"Who is the actor plays Dame Melba. Just started to catchup on 4. Paul Rhys according to google Eddie Izzard lookalike But can't beat the older son's pert smooth muscular buttocks, how many were upset when he lifted the towel and showed his bum, I was, had to calm down, wow!" I was drooling over his bum unfortunately you only got a very quick glimpse of it 😞 Maybe in the other episodes we get to see it more ha ha | |||
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"Who is the actor plays Dame Melba. Just started to catchup on 4. Paul Rhys according to google Eddie Izzard lookalike But can't beat the older son's pert smooth muscular buttocks, how many were upset when he lifted the towel and showed his bum, I was, had to calm down, wow!" Ha I thought it was Izzard when I watched the trailer! | |||
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"Who is the actor plays Dame Melba. Just started to catchup on 4. Paul Rhys according to google Eddie Izzard lookalike But can't beat the older son's pert smooth muscular buttocks, how many were upset when he lifted the towel and showed his bum, I was, had to calm down, wow! Ha I thought it was Izzard when I watched the trailer!" So did I 😂 | |||
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"I would highly recommend Half Man. Mitchell Robertson and Stuart Campbell are mesmerising. Billy Elliott turns gay and fucks men. There’s some harsh violence and it’s not an easy watch.. but so rewarding. " Sounds interesting | |||
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"I would highly recommend Half Man. Mitchell Robertson and Stuart Campbell are mesmerising. Billy Elliott turns gay and fucks men. There’s some harsh violence and it’s not an easy watch.. but so rewarding. Sounds interesting " No happy ending tho.. none.. whatsoever. | |||
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"I would highly recommend Half Man. Mitchell Robertson and Stuart Campbell are mesmerising. Billy Elliott turns gay and fucks men. There’s some harsh violence and it’s not an easy watch.. but so rewarding. Sounds interesting No happy ending tho.. none.. whatsoever. " I’ll still give it a watch | |||
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"Well acted and shot,the street and the interiors of the house are filmed in a studio i read,the bar is real,and the elder son will always be remembered for the towel lift,no matter what films he ever appears in again,great advertising for only fans, and the bar man earning more for gay stuff than straigh vids,wonder if that happens real world. Look forward to the remaining episodes and the 2 sons and the two neighbours. Well done all cast and production and Mr Russel T Davis." The towel lift 🥵 Sex Symbol in the making after that his bum is unreal | |||
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"One word. Crap. I wonder where they managed to find these desperate actors " Two of the main characters are top quality actors | |||
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"The eldest son and a mate of the neighbours exposed his bum as well at a party." I haven’t seen the party bit yet I’ll wait in anticipation 😁 | |||
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"The eldest son and a mate of the neighbours exposed his bum as well at a party. I haven’t seen the party bit yet I’ll wait in anticipation 😁" Its all done in a straight mans way, like they do. | |||
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"The eldest son and a mate of the neighbours exposed his bum as well at a party. I haven’t seen the party bit yet I’ll wait in anticipation 😁 Its all done in a straight mans way, like they do." Typical | |||
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"I would highly recommend Half Man. Mitchell Robertson and Stuart Campbell are mesmerising. Billy Elliott turns gay and fucks men. There’s some harsh violence and it’s not an easy watch.. but so rewarding. " Had recorded and watched the last episode tonight. Found it a bit difficult to work out exactly what happened in the end. | |||
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"One word. Crap. I wonder where they managed to find these desperate actors " Wouldn't go that far. Obviously talented actors. Not sure about the storyline though. Think RTD peaked with Queer As Folk and his gay offerings have gradually gone downhill since. | |||
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"So is the older son , gonna be voted 'bum of the year'?" He would definitely get my vote 😉 We need to see more of it ha ha | |||
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"Is the hot older son also gay? He seemed most than comfortable working in that gay bar" Not according to what he said when talking about his Only Fans account. 'Its for girls only ' | |||
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"Is the hot older son also gay? He seemed most than comfortable working in that gay bar" Think it’s pretty obvious | |||
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"Is the hot older son also gay? He seemed most than comfortable working in that gay bar Not according to what he said when talking about his Only Fans account. 'Its for girls only '" And that means what 🤷🏻 | |||
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"Is the hot older son also gay? He seemed most than comfortable working in that gay bar Not according to what he said when talking about his Only Fans account. 'Its for girls only ' And that means what 🤷🏻" Well we all hope that he's gay if only to fantasise about rimming his gorgeous bum | |||
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"Is the hot older son also gay? He seemed most than comfortable working in that gay bar Not according to what he said when talking about his Only Fans account. 'Its for girls only ' And that means what 🤷🏻 Well we all hope that he's gay if only to fantasise about rimming his gorgeous bum " Now now calm down 😉 It’s such a shame we only got a glimpse of it he could have at least showed it off for longer 😁 | |||
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"Load of crap. Amateurs that can’t act and are full of shit. This is what I pay a tv license for. Pissed me off within 2 minutes. Total fucking shit " No it isn't, Channel 4 isn't funded by the TV Licence  xx | |||
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"Amazing tv The scripture is amazing and the actors are brilliant" Yep 👍 | |||
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"Really enjoying it "I’m gripped by it and can certain similarities to my younger life which is why it hits home in parts | |||
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"Really enjoying it "Hooked on it yes. But not sure if I am enjoying it. | |||
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"Really enjoying it
Hooked on it yes. But not sure if I am enjoying it."It’s a tough one isn’t it?? It definitely keeps you hooked though | |||
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"It's brilliant. The atmosphere is completely foreboding. It's very dark . It's not cosy watching and all the better for it.." 👌 yep it shows how tough life can be like It’s all a bed of roses | |||
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"The younger son, George is very pretty,looked so good in his make up and eye shadow, he is 23 in real life , prefer him to the older son (who i wouldn't kick out the bed)" I’m saying nowt 😂 The older son does have a very nice bum though 😛 | |||
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"Just watched episode 3, wow didnt expect all that,its getting darker, great action by the two young sons ad also the 2 main actors Russel t Davis youve created a great series, and that story line hits so many taboos, and shows them in action, hopefully they will help people in similar ." It definitely does mate 👍 Brilliantly written despite how hard hitting it may be at times it depicts how hard it can be for a young lad to be gay especially with such a controlling father who obviously has a hatred towards gay men Mind i think there might be more to come out about the father maybe he himself had a tough upbringing or maybe something happened to him that he hasn’t really overcome We wait and see what happens tonight | |||
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"I watched all the episodes on catch-up so won't ruin it but will be interested to see what others make of it by the end. " I’ll let you know 👍 | |||
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"Still compelling viewing though hardly anyone in it is a likeable character. Find Leo more than a little irritating. George is perhaps the only likeable one as he is young, naive and a bit confused like we probably all were at his age." Gorgeous Georgie girl, he is | |||
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" RTD made this drama too political and tried to make out unless you support the trans movement, you are a danger to society- quite silly and not a true reflection at all. " Making political comments in this series rather ruined it. Think RTD assumes that if you are gay you've got to be left-wing and a big supporter of trans. | |||
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" RTD made this drama too political and tried to make out unless you support the trans movement, you are a danger to society- quite silly and not a true reflection at all. Making political comments in this series rather ruined it. Think RTD assumes that if you are gay you've got to be left-wing and a big supporter of trans." Totally agree. | |||
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"I dont know he does assume that. But if he did you couldn't blame him. Many of us older ones remember section 28." If I remember correctly Section 28 was in force for about 15 years, and then only loosely, and has been repealed for something like 25 years. Plus did it affect many of us? It didn't make gay sex illegal or close gay bars and venues. There were far worse anti gay measures still in force right up until the turn of the century. Being gay in the armed forces was an instant dismissible or even imprisonable offence for instance. Times really have changed although there are still homophobes out there. I may be accused of being a bit of a dinosaur for saying this apropos last night's episode. But I would take a slightly dim view of a school teacher moonlighting a drag queen cabaret artist in a gay bar. Obviously I would not condone violence in any shape or form. | |||
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"I dont know he does assume that. But if he did you couldn't blame him. Many of us older ones remember section 28. If I remember correctly Section 28 was in force for about 15 years, and then only loosely, and has been repealed for something like 25 years. Plus did it affect many of us? It didn't make gay sex illegal or close gay bars and venues. There were far worse anti gay measures still in force right up until the turn of the century. Being gay in the armed forces was an instant dismissible or even imprisonable offence for instance. Times really have changed although there are still homophobes out there. I may be accused of being a bit of a dinosaur for saying this apropos last night's episode. But I would take a slightly dim view of a school teacher moonlighting a drag queen cabaret artist in a gay bar. Obviously I would not condone violence in any shape or form." I would take a slightly dim view of a school teacher 'moonlighting' doing anything! The character was especially 'dim,' carrying on with his activities when he'd already done a runner after noticing boys from his class frequenting the area/bar. Of course, being dim didn't warrant the violent attack! The series features (not finished watching yet) exaggerated, unedifying and reckless/stupid behaviour from most of the main characters, which doesn't feel reflective of reality, for me  | |||
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"I dont know he does assume that. But if he did you couldn't blame him. Many of us older ones remember section 28." Of course we remember Section 28 but honestly how did it affect you? I believe it came into force in around 1986. I would have been 30 at the time and you would have been in your early 20s. Not a schoolboy being deprived of 'gay sexual knowledge'. Unless you were perhaps a young school teacher and forbidden to mention gay sex to your pupils and any book mentioning it pulled from the school library and thrown on a bonfire! Basically Section 28 did not affect adults. I left school in 1975, a 6th former and a few months short of my 19th birthday. Gay sex was only mentioned once during my school days as part of an unofficial sex education lesson by a bumbling and very prejudiced elderly science teacher. | |||
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"Absolutely heartbreaking. Not gonna give spoilers for those that haven't seen it. I feel that the hatred has got worse . Pull stuff up to f#cking Meta or Facebook , n get the old ' That doesn't go against our Community Standards ', it is all slowly bubbling away . " Fuck man I can’t believe what I’ve just watched It shows how hatred can be a very dangerous thing and all because someone has a different opinion or sexual preference it’s absolute madness and unfortunately still happening in modern day life 😞 | |||
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"Absolutely heartbreaking. Not gonna give spoilers for those that haven't seen it. I feel that the hatred has got worse . Pull stuff up to f#cking Meta or Facebook , n get the old ' That doesn't go against our Community Standards ', it is all slowly bubbling away . Fuck man I can’t believe what I’ve just watched It shows how hatred can be a very dangerous thing and all because someone has a different opinion or sexual preference it’s absolute madness and unfortunately still happening in modern day life 😞" Completely agree. | |||
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"Oh and to those not convinced, well yes, it's a piece of fiction. It's not based on a true story so there's a great deal of artistic license. But 'over the top' or not reflective of how, in 2026, certain men (in particular) would behave in an agitated state and under the influence of alcohol? Really? Have you not seen the extents to which the current self-righteous, contemptuous, rent-a-mob crowd will go to? A man hanging from a street light is intended to be powerful and provocative. He could have met his demise more quietly: it's called dramatic effect. But the means by which he got there are all too real not just for LGBT people but for anyone who doesn't conform to the noisy, great unwashed's vision of what's acceptable. Today the queers, the immigrants, the Jews, the Muslims, non-whites, the disabled, the unemployed, the elderly. Tomorrow the redheads. There's really no limits to the crass stupidity that informs their bigotry and hate." Well said 👏 | |||
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"Genuine question aside from the rights and wrongs of this story. Not got the whole thing recorded so cannot go back and check. What was it with the one football fan who looked extremely sheepish when anything gay got mentioned?" He was in the Gay Bar that Leo ran they both clocked each other when Leo walked Into the room | |||
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"Genuine question aside from the rights and wrongs of this story. Not got the whole thing recorded so cannot go back and check. What was it with the one football fan who looked extremely sheepish when anything gay got mentioned? He was in the Gay Bar that Leo ran they both clocked each other when Leo walked Into the room " And was he not the lad who climbed up the pole to attach the coil that hung Leo? | |||
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"I suppose many will call RTD a genius for his allegory on the perils and pitfalls of modern gay life. Starting with Melba , a latter-day Cassandra with his prophecies of how the gay world is now in retro motion, although Leo doesn't really believe in what he says. The arch-bigot , Clive ,who is laden with so much baggage that would fill a jumbo jet, a failure in so many aspects of his life, his marriage, his relationship with his sons, his failure to secure funds for support of his family , via being an unlikeable person with former work colleagues. Ultimately he is the driving force behind the lynching of Leo. The Tommy Robinson type of character, let's burn the migrant hotels with the migrants in them An Ian Paisley , manipulator, using others to destroy the homes and life's of groups of people he is opposed to. He would be a major figure in the KK clan. Then we have the mockingbirds, the innocents,the harmless, like Leo and George, Who just want to lead their life's in their own peculiar way. But like in 'To Kill a Mockingbird' the bigots are there with their lynch mob ready to destroy the lifes of the vulnerable and blameless. Here, RTD chooses a bunch of d*unken football fans as his lynch mob driven on by their leader , the arch-bigot and dysfunctional Clive. What chance does a gay son with such a set of parents who cannot relate to his gayness, yes his path is predicted by Leo who justifies his employment of young gay men as a form of rehabilitation of their lifestyle giving them recognition so they won't fall into the trap of drugs and suicide in which so many aimless young people do. Perhaps Saul is the most solid member of the Goss family, earning good money from his web-cam performances playing to both sexes who will subscribe. He shows compassion to his younger brother George and indeed he is restrained by members of the lynch mob, trying to stop the execution of Leo . I would imagine RTD is portraying the rise of the Right in Europe and the USA where wrong is flipped as right, where religion is wrongly used against the gay population to justify the actions of right-wing dictators. Where the Capitol Hill rioters and murderers are pardoned by a lunatic in the White House. Perhaps its not just Melba who is Cassandra , the cursed soothsayer in whom no-one would listen to but RTD himself " George wasn't innocent and he certainly wasn't harmless, he became a right little rat in the final episode turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him and gleefully cheering on his lynching, only Saul was the decent person in that family and among the football fans. I know it's fiction, but I was pleased at the end when it was told what happened to the main characters, that Saul was married, had children, his own business, and George's life was a mess | |||
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"Genuine question aside from the rights and wrongs of this story. Not got the whole thing recorded so cannot go back and check. What was it with the one football fan who looked extremely sheepish when anything gay got mentioned? He was in the Gay Bar that Leo ran they both clocked each other when Leo walked Into the room " Thank you. I guessed that was the case. | |||
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"Genuine question aside from the rights and wrongs of this story. Not got the whole thing recorded so cannot go back and check. What was it with the one football fan who looked extremely sheepish when anything gay got mentioned? He was in the Gay Bar that Leo ran they both clocked each other when Leo walked Into the room Thank you. I guessed that was the case." No bother mate 👍 | |||
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"Genuine question aside from the rights and wrongs of this story. Not got the whole thing recorded so cannot go back and check. What was it with the one football fan who looked extremely sheepish when anything gay got mentioned? He was in the Gay Bar that Leo ran they both clocked each other when Leo walked Into the room And was he not the lad who climbed up the pole to attach the coil that hung Leo?" I’m not sure tbh it might well have been 🤔 | |||
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"I suppose many will call RTD a genius for his allegory on the perils and pitfalls of modern gay life. Starting with Melba , a latter-day Cassandra with his prophecies of how the gay world is now in retro motion, although Leo doesn't really believe in what he says. The arch-bigot , Clive ,who is laden with so much baggage that would fill a jumbo jet, a failure in so many aspects of his life, his marriage, his relationship with his sons, his failure to secure funds for support of his family , via being an unlikeable person with former work colleagues. Ultimately he is the driving force behind the lynching of Leo. The Tommy Robinson type of character, let's burn the migrant hotels with the migrants in them An Ian Paisley , manipulator, using others to destroy the homes and life's of groups of people he is opposed to. He would be a major figure in the KK clan. Then we have the mockingbirds, the innocents,the harmless, like Leo and George, Who just want to lead their life's in their own peculiar way. But like in 'To Kill a Mockingbird' the bigots are there with their lynch mob ready to destroy the lifes of the vulnerable and blameless. Here, RTD chooses a bunch of d*unken football fans as his lynch mob driven on by their leader , the arch-bigot and dysfunctional Clive. What chance does a gay son with such a set of parents who cannot relate to his gayness, yes his path is predicted by Leo who justifies his employment of young gay men as a form of rehabilitation of their lifestyle giving them recognition so they won't fall into the trap of drugs and suicide in which so many aimless young people do. Perhaps Saul is the most solid member of the Goss family, earning good money from his web-cam performances playing to both sexes who will subscribe. He shows compassion to his younger brother George and indeed he is restrained by members of the lynch mob, trying to stop the execution of Leo . I would imagine RTD is portraying the rise of the Right in Europe and the USA where wrong is flipped as right, where religion is wrongly used against the gay population to justify the actions of right-wing dictators. Where the Capitol Hill rioters and murderers are pardoned by a lunatic in the White House. Perhaps its not just Melba who is Cassandra , the cursed soothsayer in whom no-one would listen to but RTD himself George wasn't innocent and he certainly wasn't harmless, he became a right little rat in the final episode turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him and gleefully cheering on his lynching, only Saul was the decent person in that family and among the football fans. I know it's fiction, but I was pleased at the end when it was told what happened to the main characters, that Saul was married, had children, his own business, and George's life was a mess" I thought George was looking out the window at the lynching but not gleefully cheering it on | |||
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"I suppose many will call RTD a genius for his allegory on the perils and pitfalls of modern gay life. Starting with Melba , a latter-day Cassandra with his prophecies of how the gay world is now in retro motion, although Leo doesn't really believe in what he says. The arch-bigot , Clive ,who is laden with so much baggage that would fill a jumbo jet, a failure in so many aspects of his life, his marriage, his relationship with his sons, his failure to secure funds for support of his family , via being an unlikeable person with former work colleagues. Ultimately he is the driving force behind the lynching of Leo. The Tommy Robinson type of character, let's burn the migrant hotels with the migrants in them An Ian Paisley , manipulator, using others to destroy the homes and life's of groups of people he is opposed to. He would be a major figure in the KK clan. Then we have the mockingbirds, the innocents,the harmless, like Leo and George, Who just want to lead their life's in their own peculiar way. But like in 'To Kill a Mockingbird' the bigots are there with their lynch mob ready to destroy the lifes of the vulnerable and blameless. Here, RTD chooses a bunch of d*unken football fans as his lynch mob driven on by their leader , the arch-bigot and dysfunctional Clive. What chance does a gay son with such a set of parents who cannot relate to his gayness, yes his path is predicted by Leo who justifies his employment of young gay men as a form of rehabilitation of their lifestyle giving them recognition so they won't fall into the trap of drugs and suicide in which so many aimless young people do. Perhaps Saul is the most solid member of the Goss family, earning good money from his web-cam performances playing to both sexes who will subscribe. He shows compassion to his younger brother George and indeed he is restrained by members of the lynch mob, trying to stop the execution of Leo . I would imagine RTD is portraying the rise of the Right in Europe and the USA where wrong is flipped as right, where religion is wrongly used against the gay population to justify the actions of right-wing dictators. Where the Capitol Hill rioters and murderers are pardoned by a lunatic in the White House. Perhaps its not just Melba who is Cassandra , the cursed soothsayer in whom no-one would listen to but RTD himself George wasn't innocent and he certainly wasn't harmless, he became a right little rat in the final episode turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him and gleefully cheering on his lynching, only Saul was the decent person in that family and among the football fans. I know it's fiction, but I was pleased at the end when it was told what happened to the main characters, that Saul was married, had children, his own business, and George's life was a mess I thought George was looking out the window at the lynching but not gleefully cheering it on " Yeah I don't think it was gleeful. More inert. The post credits make it clear the moment basically destroyed his life moving forward. | |||
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"I suppose many will call RTD a genius for his allegory on the perils and pitfalls of modern gay life. Starting with Melba , a latter-day Cassandra with his prophecies of how the gay world is now in retro motion, although Leo doesn't really believe in what he says. The arch-bigot , Clive ,who is laden with so much baggage that would fill a jumbo jet, a failure in so many aspects of his life, his marriage, his relationship with his sons, his failure to secure funds for support of his family , via being an unlikeable person with former work colleagues. Ultimately he is the driving force behind the lynching of Leo. The Tommy Robinson type of character, let's burn the migrant hotels with the migrants in them An Ian Paisley , manipulator, using others to destroy the homes and life's of groups of people he is opposed to. He would be a major figure in the KK clan. Then we have the mockingbirds, the innocents,the harmless, like Leo and George, Who just want to lead their life's in their own peculiar way. But like in 'To Kill a Mockingbird' the bigots are there with their lynch mob ready to destroy the lifes of the vulnerable and blameless. Here, RTD chooses a bunch of d*unken football fans as his lynch mob driven on by their leader , the arch-bigot and dysfunctional Clive. What chance does a gay son with such a set of parents who cannot relate to his gayness, yes his path is predicted by Leo who justifies his employment of young gay men as a form of rehabilitation of their lifestyle giving them recognition so they won't fall into the trap of drugs and suicide in which so many aimless young people do. Perhaps Saul is the most solid member of the Goss family, earning good money from his web-cam performances playing to both sexes who will subscribe. He shows compassion to his younger brother George and indeed he is restrained by members of the lynch mob, trying to stop the execution of Leo . I would imagine RTD is portraying the rise of the Right in Europe and the USA where wrong is flipped as right, where religion is wrongly used against the gay population to justify the actions of right-wing dictators. Where the Capitol Hill rioters and murderers are pardoned by a lunatic in the White House. Perhaps its not just Melba who is Cassandra , the cursed soothsayer in whom no-one would listen to but RTD himself George wasn't innocent and he certainly wasn't harmless, he became a right little rat in the final episode turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him and gleefully cheering on his lynching, only Saul was the decent person in that family and among the football fans. I know it's fiction, but I was pleased at the end when it was told what happened to the main characters, that Saul was married, had children, his own business, and George's life was a mess I thought George was looking out the window at the lynching but not gleefully cheering it on He picked up a slice of pizza and sat down and started eating it, unconcerned after seeing it." That is not the final scene of him. Watch the end of the last episode- he is crying in the room when they drag him out and then becomes completely emotionally dead. The last scene we see of him is George stumbling back from the window in complete shock, with the information that he basically ruins his life in response to what he saw. | |||
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"I found the whole thing farcical- I wanted to like it - but too much agenda pushing from t-Davies Banging on about brexit every other sentence- then that ridiculous ending & words across the screen as if it actually happened in real life Boring " Everyone to their own | |||
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"I found the whole thing farcical- I wanted to like it - but too much agenda pushing from t-Davies Banging on about brexit every other sentence- then that ridiculous ending & words across the screen as if it actually happened in real life Boring " Wouldn't call it boring but found the mention of Brexit and other political jibes totally unnecessary. RTD obviously thinks that if you are gay you should be left-wing and anti-Brexit. | |||
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"I found the whole thing farcical- I wanted to like it - but too much agenda pushing from t-Davies Banging on about brexit every other sentence- then that ridiculous ending & words across the screen as if it actually happened in real life Boring " You sum it up very well | |||
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"I found the whole thing farcical- I wanted to like it - but too much agenda pushing from t-Davies Banging on about brexit every other sentence- then that ridiculous ending & words across the screen as if it actually happened in real life Boring Wouldn't call it boring but found the mention of Brexit and other political jibes totally unnecessary. RTD obviously thinks that if you are gay you should be left-wing and anti-Brexit." I think some of the addition of those bits was more a commentary on how divide we are in society. The Brexit bit was quite jarring though. | |||
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