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" Happy Pride everyone Hang out with people who make you want to grow. No drama, no jealousy, no chaos; just bigger dreams, good energy, and positive vibes" Happy Pride to you.  | |||
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" Happy Pride everyone Hang out with people who make you want to grow. No drama, no jealousy, no chaos; just bigger dreams, good energy, and positive vibes" Happy Pride month | |||
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" Happy Pride everyone Hang out with people who make you want to grow. No drama, no jealousy, no chaos; just bigger dreams, good energy, and positive vibes" And a Proud summer to you too. Judging by the responses from two gay men, we still have a lot of work to do... | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup." What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning? | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning?" Perhaps I don't, or at least no longer, understand the meaning of it. And I apologise profusely for daring to express an opinion and cause you distress. Admittedly it now seems to be just PRIDE whereas it used to be called GAY PRIDE. You talk about community but what community? The 'community' now seems to be an elitist group that excludes ordinary gay folk. I'm not being prejudiced but the 'umbrella' has got too big. It includes all sorts of groups who have no affinity with each other. LGB is about sexual preference. Trans is a gender issue. Non-binary is the latest 'look at me' fashion fad. In the UK at least all human beings enjoy the same rights. Sadly some people are still prejudices against others based on ethnicity, sexuality, religion and goodness knows what else. I have nothing against people celebrating who they are but something fear these 'grand gestures' do more harm than good and polarise the opponents. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup." Oh Dear 👎 | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup." Yep. As a gay dude, id want nothing to do with it. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. Yep. As a gay dude, id want nothing to do with it. " 
Same here. Seems to be a festival for those who haven’t got any …. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. Yep. As a gay dude, id want nothing to do with it. " It's okay for those who want to be flamboyant about their sexuality and lifestyle but for we ordinary gay blokes it can be a bit of an embarrassment. | |||
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Happy pride to everyone that falls under the umbrella, INCLUDING those who don't appreciate it but still benefit from the progress that it has brought over the years | |||
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"Quick shout out to the "normal" gays in the thread who are just average and "straight-acting" guys! They would never be caught dead coming across as anything other than this as it's obviously bad and wrong to do so
Happy pride to everyone that falls under the umbrella, INCLUDING those who don't appreciate it but still benefit from the progress that it has brought over the years "Easy to sneer and scoff at us. I'm not condemning PRIDE. If people enjoy it and it makes them happy then good for them. I wouldn't rule out going to a Pride event but probably just as an observer. In fact I did go to one about 7 or 8 years ago. Very small event in the main square in a market town. Less than 20 participants. A couple of stalls. Some dancing accompanied by a ghetto blaster. A few costumes but nothing outrageous. A fairly tame affair. I just observed along with a few Saturday shoppers.. We don't all enjoy the flamboyance. But if people do then so be it. Personally I dislike drag and effeminacy in men. It does rather annoy me when straight people assume that because we are gay then we must be into drag, campness etc. Lesbian, gay and bisexual are sexual preferences. Trans is a gender issue. We can support each other but we are not necessarily part of each other. As for gay rights, or, if you like LGBT+++ rights, these were achieved through common-sense lobbying rather than prancing around in flamboyant costumes. | |||
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"Easy to sneer and scoff at us. I'm not condemning PRIDE. If people enjoy it and it makes them happy then good for them. I wouldn't rule out going to a Pride event but probably just as an observer. In fact I did go to one about 7 or 8 years ago. Very small event in the main square in a market town. Less than 20 participants. A couple of stalls. Some dancing accompanied by a ghetto blaster. A few costumes but nothing outrageous. A fairly tame affair. I just observed along with a few Saturday shoppers.. We don't all enjoy the flamboyance. But if people do then so be it. Personally I dislike drag and effeminacy in men. It does rather annoy me when straight people assume that because we are gay then we must be into drag, campness etc. Lesbian, gay and bisexual are sexual preferences. Trans is a gender issue. We can support each other but we are not necessarily part of each other. As for gay rights, or, if you like LGBT+++ rights, these were achieved through common-sense lobbying rather than prancing around in flamboyant costumes." Queer expression is not to blame for homophobic views, homophobes are. As for the subtle transphobia, it's ALL related to gender. Lesbianism is just for women so why include them? Bisexuality covers both, which is different to MLM and WLW so shouldn't they have their own separate group? Picking the umbrella apart does nothing but fragment inherently related groups. As for the rights comment, people didn't simply walk up to the courts and ask nicely. Hell the UK has only fully recognised gay marriage since 2020 (though England/Scotland/Wales recognised in 2014). I appreciate that not everyone is interested in queer history but at least do some light reading before passing reductive comments, it really has been a shocking process. | |||
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"Easy to sneer and scoff at us. I'm not condemning PRIDE. If people enjoy it and it makes them happy then good for them. I wouldn't rule out going to a Pride event but probably just as an observer. In fact I did go to one about 7 or 8 years ago. Very small event in the main square in a market town. Less than 20 participants. A couple of stalls. Some dancing accompanied by a ghetto blaster. A few costumes but nothing outrageous. A fairly tame affair. I just observed along with a few Saturday shoppers.. We don't all enjoy the flamboyance. But if people do then so be it. Personally I dislike drag and effeminacy in men. It does rather annoy me when straight people assume that because we are gay then we must be into drag, campness etc. Lesbian, gay and bisexual are sexual preferences. Trans is a gender issue. We can support each other but we are not necessarily part of each other. As for gay rights, or, if you like LGBT+++ rights, these were achieved through common-sense lobbying rather than prancing around in flamboyant costumes. Queer expression is not to blame for homophobic views, homophobes are. As for the subtle transphobia, it's ALL related to gender. Lesbianism is just for women so why include them? Bisexuality covers both, which is different to MLM and WLW so shouldn't they have their own separate group? Picking the umbrella apart does nothing but fragment inherently related groups. As for the rights comment, people didn't simply walk up to the courts and ask nicely. Hell the UK has only fully recognised gay marriage since 2020 (though England/Scotland/Wales recognised in 2014). I appreciate that not everyone is interested in queer history but at least do some light reading before passing reductive comments, it really has been a shocking process." There was no transphobia in what he said. He is correct; trans is gender identity, sexuality isnt. The 2 things are not the same. To say that it is all about gender because men and women have a gender is purely just stretching. | |||
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"Quick shout out to the "normal" gays in the thread who are just average and "straight-acting" guys! They would never be caught dead coming across as anything other than this as it's obviously bad and wrong to do so
Happy pride to everyone that falls under the umbrella, INCLUDING those who don't appreciate it but still benefit from the progress that it has brought over the years
Easy to sneer and scoff at us. I'm not condemning PRIDE. If people enjoy it and it makes them happy then good for them. I wouldn't rule out going to a Pride event but probably just as an observer. In fact I did go to one about 7 or 8 years ago. Very small event in the main square in a market town. Less than 20 participants. A couple of stalls. Some dancing accompanied by a ghetto blaster. A few costumes but nothing outrageous. A fairly tame affair. I just observed along with a few Saturday shoppers..
We don't all enjoy the flamboyance. But if people do then so be it. Personally I dislike drag and effeminacy in men. It does rather annoy me when straight people assume that because we are gay then we must be into drag, campness etc.
Lesbian, gay and bisexual are sexual preferences. Trans is a gender issue. We can support each other but we are not necessarily part of each other.
As for gay rights, or, if you like LGBT+++ rights, these were achieved through common-sense lobbying rather than prancing around in flamboyant costumes."Yes "prancing around in flamboyant costumes" has changed society's views on homosexuality, big time. Just like having camp actors on TV did. Now you may not want to be associated with that idea, and to be honest I do not relish being portrayed in a certain way myself just because I am gay, but frankly when you refer to yourself in your other post as a "regular gay man", you are incorrect in the eyes of any gay man who doesn't parade naked on a hook-up site the way you do. Carry on thinking of yourself as above other gays if you want. Pride is about individuality too. | |||
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"I find Pride month is just an excuse for corporate and celebrity virtue signalling." As are most public celebrations nowadays: Christmas, Valentines, etc... Pride is not just about floats, parades, and stage acts. It includes theater, cinema, books, exhibitions, and so on. As well as remembrance and homages. | |||
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"Load of embarrassing bullshit, you can shove the flag where the sun never shines" You see intelligent and normal there. No-one is forcing you to attend. | |||
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"Happy Pride ❤️ But not for me I will leave it to the youngsters ( that means anyone under 40 ) I was around for the first London pride and meany more after that Iv done my bit for Queens and country " The first London Pride event was back in the early 1970's I believe. Yet you are 60? | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning?" Precisely. I'm not involved really in any major way but I applaud everyone who is and I will fight to support their right and courage to stand up and be visible for all of us. | |||
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"Happy Pride ❤️ But not for me I will leave it to the youngsters ( that means anyone under 40 ) I was around for the first London pride and meany more after that Iv done my bit for Queens and country The first London Pride event was back in the early 1970's I believe. Yet you are 60?" He's probably massaged/finessed his age, so this isn't the own you think it is. | |||
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" As well as remembrance and homages." I don't need a month of virtue signalling to pay homage and remembrance, I wear my pride flag pin (original 1978, 8 colour) all the time with pride. | |||
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" Happy Pride everyone Hang out with people who make you want to grow. No drama, no jealousy, no chaos; just bigger dreams, good energy, and positive vibes" Well said. Happy pride everyone. | |||
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"Load of embarrassing bullshit, you can shove the flag where the sun never shines" The care home is calling lol. | |||
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" As well as remembrance and homages. I don't need a month of virtue signalling to pay homage and remembrance, I wear my pride flag pin (original 1978, 8 colour) all the time with pride. " Why so defensive? Was I attacking you? | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱" If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock. | |||
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"Every year we get the same lot on here throwing distasteful and down right ignorant comments about Pride, yet they are on here with their cocks out and bum holes exposed. Failing to realise or not will to accept that Pride is what affords them the safety of being on here looking for cock. " That's because some are thick as shit. | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱 If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock." Yes there would 👌 | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? I'm just volunteering because its busy X Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning? Precisely. I'm not involved really in any major way but I applaud everyone who is and I will fight to support their right and courage to stand up and be visible for all of us." | |||
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"Is there a Trans Pride event ?" I'm not sure if there's a trans-specific Pride of the same scale but I know that in Manchester, there's an event called Sparkle which is similar and centred around trans folk, cross-dressers, etc. Always full of smiles but often accompanied by rain, being in Manchester...  | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱 If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock. Yes there would 👌" In your lala land probably. | |||
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"Is there a Trans Pride event ?" There are a fair few trans pride events, some have already happened with a fair few spread across the country which will happen in June, July, August, September, October and November. But this is pride month, so it's a celebration of the whole community x | |||
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"Happy Pride ❤️ But not for me I will leave it to the youngsters ( that means anyone under 40 ) I was around for the first London pride and meany more after that Iv done my bit for Queens and country The first London Pride event was back in the early 1970's I believe. Yet you are 60? He's probably massaged/finessed his age, so this isn't the own you think it is." Which is why I put 60? | |||
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"I went on gay pride marches in London 40 odd years ago. It had meaning we were fighting for rights in society. We got jeered spat at and worse but it led somewhere better for us. Now its an aimless party. Be vigilant to preserve those rights gained for you in harder times." But, it is not just an aimless party. It is visibility and camaraderie. Showing young people that they are not all alone in the world. Showing the whole of society that they do not need to hide away and live in secret. The rights are protections in law were hard fought for and won over many years. It's a legacy of the people who fought and campaigned for them that is still celebrated. You can see the contempt and the self gate on here and it is still worse out there amongst people who would actively seek to harm anyone they see as different to themselves. | |||
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"I went on gay pride marches in London 40 odd years ago. It had meaning we were fighting for rights in society. We got jeered spat at and worse but it led somewhere better for us. Now its an aimless party. Be vigilant to preserve those rights gained for you in harder times." Also, 40 odd years ago in London? Is your age correct on here then? | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱 If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock. Yes there would 👌 In your lala land probably." Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news but if anyone is living in LaLa land then tis you. As I said earlier gay rights were achieved through sensible lobbying not parades. Also, unfortunately, not everyone embraces the idea of gay rights or even our existence. A lot of people still get very upset and prejudiced against things like Pride events, especially the more flamboyant and lude events etc. Probably does more harm than good. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning? Perhaps I don't, or at least no longer, understand the meaning of it. And I apologise profusely for daring to express an opinion and cause you distress. Admittedly it now seems to be just PRIDE whereas it used to be called GAY PRIDE. You talk about community but what community? The 'community' now seems to be an elitist group that excludes ordinary gay folk. I'm not being prejudiced but the 'umbrella' has got too big. It includes all sorts of groups who have no affinity with each other. LGB is about sexual preference. Trans is a gender issue. Non-binary is the latest 'look at me' fashion fad. In the UK at least all human beings enjoy the same rights. Sadly some people are still prejudices against others based on ethnicity, sexuality, religion and goodness knows what else. I have nothing against people celebrating who they are but something fear these 'grand gestures' do more harm than good and polarise the opponents." I have to concur with you on this, very well put | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱 If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock. Yes there would 👌 In your lala land probably. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news but if anyone is living in LaLa land then tis you. As I said earlier gay rights were achieved through sensible lobbying not parades. Also, unfortunately, not everyone embraces the idea of gay rights or even our existence. A lot of people still get very upset and prejudiced against things like Pride events, especially the more flamboyant and lude events etc. Probably does more harm than good." I'm just helping out cos it's busy but people seemed nice at pride X | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱 If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock. Yes there would 👌 In your lala land probably. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news but if anyone is living in LaLa land then tis you. As I said earlier gay rights were achieved through sensible lobbying not parades. Also, unfortunately, not everyone embraces the idea of gay rights or even our existence. A lot of people still get very upset and prejudiced against things like Pride events, especially the more flamboyant and lude events etc. Probably does more harm than good." Prides have allowed us to be visible. Allowing us to have a platform. Do you think bars and secluded places and sensitive lobbying made you have a site to find a cock to suck. You are very much deluded. | |||
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"LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ 🥱🥱🥱 If it wasn't for pride, you wouldn't be here, as there wouldn't be a site for you to find cock. Yes there would 👌 In your lala land probably. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news but if anyone is living in LaLa land then tis you. As I said earlier gay rights were achieved through sensible lobbying not parades. Also, unfortunately, not everyone embraces the idea of gay rights or even our existence. A lot of people still get very upset and prejudiced against things like Pride events, especially the more flamboyant and lude events etc. Probably does more harm than good." I do not accept that being out and visible in society does more harm than food at all. There are still young people who take their own lives because they are so desperate about being gay and feel that they are alone and have no idea what to do. Any visibility and chance to educate the wider society is a good thing. | |||
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"gay blokes'll always find gay blokes.." But, they do not have to hide their lives away and fear losing their career or family in the way that previous generations did for a quick fumble in a public toilet or park. | |||
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"gay blokes'll always find gay blokes.. But, they do not have to hide their lives away and fear losing their career or family in the way that previous generations did for a quick fumble in a public toilet or park." neither do current generations. If you choose to be in a "straight" relationship that is your choice | |||
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"allowed? you are what you are and no, the other fella's not living in la la land. Enjoy your pride and stop bitching! you've got more in common than you think ! X" I will always enjoy pride and I'll always be proud of who I am. The bitching doesn't come from me. | |||
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"I love these threads, there isn't even unity amongst the cocksuckers 🏳️🌈 " I know. It's just unbelievable. That they cannot accept that whether pride has become a big street party or not, that activism and brave visibility that started it all has culminated in protection in law. Law that could easily be lost if everyone starts to hide away and become invisible again. Acceptance is not a given. | |||
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"I love these threads, there isn't even unity amongst the cocksuckers 🏳️🌈 I know. It's just unbelievable. That they cannot accept that whether pride has become a big street party or not, that activism and brave visibility that started it all has culminated in protection in law. Law that could easily be lost if everyone starts to hide away and become invisible again. Acceptance is not a given." Very well said. | |||
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"I love these threads, there isn't even unity amongst the cocksuckers 🏳️🌈 " Well said! | |||
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"I love these threads, there isn't even unity amongst the cocksuckers 🏳️🌈 I know. It's just unbelievable. That they cannot accept that whether pride has become a big street party or not, that activism and brave visibility that started it all has culminated in protection in law. I'm just glad to have friends to chat with X Law that could easily be lost if everyone starts to hide away and become invisible again. Acceptance is not a given. Very well said." | |||
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"I went on gay pride marches in London 40 odd years ago. It had meaning we were fighting for rights in society. We got jeered spat at and worse but it led somewhere better for us. Now its an aimless party. Be vigilant to preserve those rights gained for you in harder times. Also, 40 odd years ago in London? Is your age correct on here then?" Of course my age on here is not correct just like most posters on any dating site as much as you describe yourself as "blonde". More like dyed. Most men of that hair colour should be described as fair. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning? Perhaps I don't, or at least no longer, understand the meaning of it. And I apologise profusely for daring to express an opinion and cause you distress. Admittedly it now seems to be just PRIDE whereas it used to be called GAY PRIDE. You talk about community but what community? The 'community' now seems to be an elitist group that excludes ordinary gay folk. I'm not being prejudiced but the 'umbrella' has got too big. It includes all sorts of groups who have no affinity with each other. LGB is about sexual preference. Trans is a gender issue. Non-binary is the latest 'look at me' fashion fad. In the UK at least all human beings enjoy the same rights. Sadly some people are still prejudices against others based on ethnicity, sexuality, religion and goodness knows what else. I have nothing against people celebrating who they are but something fear these 'grand gestures' do more harm than good and polarise the opponents. I have to concur with you on this, very well put "You two really do not understand the basic need for Pride, even though you just described it. As long as people get offended by flamboyance, there will be a need for us to be visible and flamboyant. The feminine gays have as much right as the masculine ones to live their lives without fear. When you, in your secure gay lives, prefer to make every gay man conform to your ideology, it is blatant homophobia that you are projecting. The world is full of different people breathing the same air. No one should be forced to be like you. Anyone should be allowed to be what they want to be, as long as they do not harm others. That's why we need Pride. Against people like you. | |||
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"Always the boomers having to say something shite about Pride. Some of you still live in a closet deep enough to see Christmas or to reach Narnia.." But bitching doesnt come from you right? Lol. Agree with every idea pushed without any questions or the whole pack will turn on you like a bunch of wild animals. Like a nest of wasps with a hive mind. | |||
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"I went on gay pride marches in London 40 odd years ago. It had meaning we were fighting for rights in society. We got jeered spat at and worse but it led somewhere better for us. Now its an aimless party. Be vigilant to preserve those rights gained for you in harder times. Also, 40 odd years ago in London? Is your age correct on here then? Of course my age on here is not correct just like most posters on any dating site as much as you describe yourself as "blonde". More like dyed. Most men of that hair colour should be described as fair. " You've got no idea what my hair colour is like at all. Never met you. It's a fact that I am blond. My background is German and Dutch. | |||
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"Always the boomers having to say something shite about Pride. Some of you still live in a closet deep enough to see Christmas or to reach Narnia.. But bitching doesnt come from you right? Lol. Agree with every idea pushed without any questions or the whole pack will turn on you like a bunch of wild animals. Like a nest of wasps with a hive mind. " The whole point was to chill and enjoy without moaning about ut. Pride has offered us the ability to be visible. | |||
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"Also the fact some people use this site as something good pride has done is a joke. 90% of the guys on here are married or "not into guys, just like sucking cock" Im out to my parents, the rest of my family, my friends and most people i know. There is no pride on here. Most of you sneak around in your wifes old panties talking about sister in laws or other family members you want to fuck or sniff their diry underwear. You take "pride" in that? Or am i just been homophobic now too "I think you missed the whole point of what pride stands for. This site does have a majority that are more bi or bi curious married men who happens to behave like that on the site. But you have also a choice to enjoy the month without bitching lol. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry | |||
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"Pride: we know what will happen if we let them get trans people. It'll be gay people next. So let's hear no more of that "LGB" rubbish. Pride is for everyone." Well said. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry" You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation." So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. | |||
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"Easy to sneer and scoff at us. I'm not condemning PRIDE. If people enjoy it and it makes them happy then good for them. I wouldn't rule out going to a Pride event but probably just as an observer. In fact I did go to one about 7 or 8 years ago. Very small event in the main square in a market town. Less than 20 participants. A couple of stalls. Some dancing accompanied by a ghetto blaster. A few costumes but nothing outrageous. A fairly tame affair. I just observed along with a few Saturday shoppers.. We don't all enjoy the flamboyance. But if people do then so be it. Personally I dislike drag and effeminacy in men. It does rather annoy me when straight people assume that because we are gay then we must be into drag, campness etc. Lesbian, gay and bisexual are sexual preferences. Trans is a gender issue. We can support each other but we are not necessarily part of each other. As for gay rights, or, if you like LGBT+++ rights, these were achieved through common-sense lobbying rather than prancing around in flamboyant costumes. Queer expression is not to blame for homophobic views, homophobes are. As for the subtle transphobia, it's ALL related to gender. Lesbianism is just for women so why include them? Bisexuality covers both, which is different to MLM and WLW so shouldn't they have their own separate group? Picking the umbrella apart does nothing but fragment inherently related groups. As for the rights comment, people didn't simply walk up to the courts and ask nicely. Hell the UK has only fully recognised gay marriage since 2020 (though England/Scotland/Wales recognised in 2014). I appreciate that not everyone is interested in queer history but at least do some light reading before passing reductive comments, it really has been a shocking process." It is shoking how many dismiss the whole thing in a derogatory way, while benefiting from the protection law process. Glad to see someone who knows queer history. Happy pride. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup. What is your point? Pride is about our fight for equal rights, but you have a problem with it being "taken over" by the members of our community who are still the most vulnerable and the least accepted by society? Should you even be talking about Pride if you don't know its meaning? Perhaps I don't, or at least no longer, understand the meaning of it. And I apologise profusely for daring to express an opinion and cause you distress. Admittedly it now seems to be just PRIDE whereas it used to be called GAY PRIDE. You talk about community but what community? The 'community' now seems to be an elitist group that excludes ordinary gay folk. I'm not being prejudiced but the 'umbrella' has got too big. It includes all sorts of groups who have no affinity with each other. LGB is about sexual preference. Trans is a gender issue. Non-binary is the latest 'look at me' fashion fad. In the UK at least all human beings enjoy the same rights. Sadly some people are still prejudices against others based on ethnicity, sexuality, religion and goodness knows what else. I have nothing against people celebrating who they are but something fear these 'grand gestures' do more harm than good and polarise the opponents. I have to concur with you on this, very well put
You two really do not understand the basic need for Pride, even though you just described it.
As long as people get offended by flamboyance, there will be a need for us to be visible and flamboyant.
The feminine gays have as much right as the masculine ones to live their lives without fear.
When you, in your secure gay lives, prefer to make every gay man conform to your ideology, it is blatant homophobia that you are projecting.
The world is full of different people breathing the same air.
No one should be forced to be like you.
Anyone should be allowed to be what they want to be, as long as they do not harm others.
That's why we need Pride. Against people like you. "Bang on. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. " I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. " You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do." I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag." "A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." This is exactly what you said and what you meant. Don't ever fucking calling me a liar an activist. Now go enjoy your cum both ends because you are safe enough fuck the rest who still need pride. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag. "A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." This is exactly what you said and what you meant. Don't ever fucking calling me a liar an activist. Now go enjoy your cum both ends because you are safe enough fuck the rest who still need pride." And here's another problem; numpties who take words and replace them with other words to completely rewrite the narrative. And yep that does make you dishonest. Here's some tips for you - when someone says they feel something is unecessary, it does not equal them saying it should be done away with, and when you say someone has described something as "pointless" do put in some effort to make sure that is actually what they said. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag. "A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." This is exactly what you said and what you meant. Don't ever fucking calling me a liar an activist. Now go enjoy your cum both ends because you are safe enough fuck the rest who still need pride. And here's another problem; numpties who take words and replace them with other words to completely rewrite the narrative. And yep that does make you dishonest. Here's some tips for you - when someone says they feel something is unecessary, it does not equal them saying it should be done away with, and when you say someone has described something as "pointless" do put in some effort to make sure that is actually what they said. There were your words and we know what you meant, you just try to twist it to make you look more agreeable while calling people names. I'm done replying to your bigot ass. Oh dear, everyone can see what I wrote, and what you wrote. I literally never said "pointless" once. I never said Pride should be scrapped, in fact I commented how good it is for local businesses to make money. And you reckon you're not an activitist? Twisting things to suit your myopic agenda is precisely that. You dont do it very well, but hey-ho, nice try." Go back to your first comment. I don't have any agenda only saying that Pride is still needed period. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag. "A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." This is exactly what you said and what you meant. Don't ever fucking calling me a liar an activist. Now go enjoy your cum both ends because you are safe enough fuck the rest who still need pride. And here's another problem; numpties who take words and replace them with other words to completely rewrite the narrative. And yep that does make you dishonest. Here's some tips for you - when someone says they feel something is unecessary, it does not equal them saying it should be done away with, and when you say someone has described something as "pointless" do put in some effort to make sure that is actually what they said. There were your words and we know what you meant, you just try to twist it to make you look more agreeable while calling people names. I'm done replying to your bigot ass. Oh dear, everyone can see what I wrote, and what you wrote. I literally never said "pointless" once. I never said Pride should be scrapped, in fact I commented how good it is for local businesses to make money. And you reckon you're not an activitist? Twisting things to suit your myopic agenda is precisely that. You dont do it very well, but hey-ho, nice try. Go back to your first comment. I don't have any agenda only saying that Pride is still needed period." I know what I typed. Did it say "pointless"? Did it say Pride should be scrapped? No it did not. Aggressive assumption and confabulation is your agenda. Youve rephrased.me to suit your agenda, which to be honest right now seems to just be argumentative. You've even thrown in some personal insults which is all kinds of tacky but to be expected. You simply cannot deal with people who might have a different view than yours. I've been around a while, and seen it all before. Ive even done a stall at a Pride event. Pride or no Pride, your life will be what you make it. Scream all you like, have a tantrum all you like, but being a toddler about a differing view doesnt help get your point across. Probably not great for your mental health either. | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag. "A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." This is exactly what you said and what you meant. Don't ever fucking calling me a liar an activist. Now go enjoy your cum both ends because you are safe enough fuck the rest who still need pride. And here's another problem; numpties who take words and replace them with other words to completely rewrite the narrative. And yep that does make you dishonest. Here's some tips for you - when someone says they feel something is unecessary, it does not equal them saying it should be done away with, and when you say someone has described something as "pointless" do put in some effort to make sure that is actually what they said. There were your words and we know what you meant, you just try to twist it to make you look more agreeable while calling people names. I'm done replying to your bigot ass. Oh dear, everyone can see what I wrote, and what you wrote. I literally never said "pointless" once. I never said Pride should be scrapped, in fact I commented how good it is for local businesses to make money. And you reckon you're not an activitist? Twisting things to suit your myopic agenda is precisely that. You dont do it very well, but hey-ho, nice try. Go back to your first comment. I don't have any agenda only saying that Pride is still needed period. I know what I typed. Did it say "pointless"? Did it say Pride should be scrapped? No it did not. Aggressive assumption and confabulation is your agenda. Youve rephrased.me to suit your agenda, which to be honest right now seems to just be argumentative. You've even thrown in some personal insults which is all kinds of tacky but to be expected. You simply cannot deal with people who might have a different view than yours. I've been around a while, and seen it all before. Ive even done a stall at a Pride event. Pride or no Pride, your life will be what you make it. Scream all you like, have a tantrum all you like, but being a toddler about a differing view doesnt help get your point across. Probably not great for your mental health either." And you still carrying on, calling names but when I do apparently I insulted you. You just like to move the post where it suits you. If i say that something is unnecessary and you don't need this and that. What that means ? You obviously stated that it's not necessary in today's world. But it does. It may not be important to you, but it is important to a majority. | |||
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"Seems to have been taken over by trans, non-binary and the rest of the alphabet soup." Agreed!. As a gay man Gay Pride has been hijacked and politicised. Different issues mean different things to different people. I won't be taking part | |||
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"A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm. But you do need pride as many people still won't like seeing men holding hands or kissing in public, people still get stigmated. Trans community is the most affected community by far. There is no unity or inclusion yet. And also think of all the local businesses that during pride month how they can also help the community. The most nonsense part is to stay silent and become invisible again. How was the 70s or the 80s ?? Was it good back then ? When everyone was a closeted marry You think Pride is going to change the minds of the few haters? You're wrong. We're not in the 70s and 80s, so we're not going to become "invisible again". If you carry that level of fear you probably need some psychological help. Pride is being visible in the communities we live, just cracking on with life, going to work, the pub, out with mates, talking about the dull, mundane aspects of life everyone faces. Wearing rainbow colours and face painting while in an echo chamber is not Pride. It's self-isolation. So in your perfect porcelain world would be no pride because only a few haiters are out there. If there will be no pride what do you think it will happen next? In your views nothing. I don't need any psychological help but thanks. I think you need to stop being bitter. I.am neither bitter nor in a "porcelain world". I didn't say scrap Pride. I have no qualms with Pride events as theyre good for local businesses to make money. You seem to have an unhealthy morbid fear of "what happens next". I don't, because the world is not what it was when Pride was necessary. No precedence, no threat, no anguish, just a healthy and happy normal life outside of an echo chamber. Pride isn't stopping people disliking other people or convincing them that they must like you because you said so. Human nature does that. You just said you don't need one and in your views it's pointless and that might as well not be one at all. And do you think that history doesn't or can't repeat itself? Pride is for everyone not just because you believe you don't need it. Others still do. I never said anything you've mentioned above. And herein lies the problem - aggressive assumptive activism seen through your own prism. Nobody is out to get you fella, just live your life, but dont expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate you. A place I society is earned, not dished out with a rainbow flag. "A bit of commercial money-making nonsense does nobody any harm, other than the wallets. Quite unnecessary in today's world though. We are literally everywhere; in every street, in every workplace, on every tv programme, every day. Pride comes from living your life without shame. You dont need a festival to do that, but as said, its not doing anyone harm." This is exactly what you said and what you meant. Don't ever fucking calling me a liar an activist. Now go enjoy your cum both ends because you are safe enough fuck the rest who still need pride. And here's another problem; numpties who take words and replace them with other words to completely rewrite the narrative. And yep that does make you dishonest. Here's some tips for you - when someone says they feel something is unecessary, it does not equal them saying it should be done away with, and when you say someone has described something as "pointless" do put in some effort to make sure that is actually what they said. There were your words and we know what you meant, you just try to twist it to make you look more agreeable while calling people names. I'm done replying to your bigot ass. Oh dear, everyone can see what I wrote, and what you wrote. I literally never said "pointless" once. I never said Pride should be scrapped, in fact I commented how good it is for local businesses to make money. And you reckon you're not an activitist? Twisting things to suit your myopic agenda is precisely that. You dont do it very well, but hey-ho, nice try. Go back to your first comment. I don't have any agenda only saying that Pride is still needed period. I know what I typed. Did it say "pointless"? Did it say Pride should be scrapped? No it did not. Aggressive assumption and confabulation is your agenda. Youve rephrased.me to suit your agenda, which to be honest right now seems to just be argumentative. You've even thrown in some personal insults which is all kinds of tacky but to be expected. You simply cannot deal with people who might have a different view than yours. I've been around a while, and seen it all before. Ive even done a stall at a Pride event. Pride or no Pride, your life will be what you make it. Scream all you like, have a tantrum all you like, but being a toddler about a differing view doesnt help get your point across. Probably not great for your mental health either. And you still carrying on, calling names but when I do apparently I insulted you. You just like to move the post where it suits you. If i say that something is unnecessary and you don't need this and that. What that means ? You obviously stated that it's not necessary in today's world. But it does. It may not be important to you, but it is important to a majority." Are you a bit dim? As I have said already "unecessary in todays world" does not equal "pointless" nor suggest Pride be ditched. I'm not repeating that again. I think, in fact I know, the vast majority of gay and bi people have no interest in today's Pride events at all. Sorry, but we dont all align to your way of thinking, and i imagine, most, like me, are happy for you even though you do not represent us. I'm not insulted by you - far from it. Wave your flag, you ain't waving for me. I can take slut-shaming on the chin as easily as I can accept that people have different opinions about all sorts of things. | |||
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"I was never that interested in Pride as being gay is only part of who I am I don't make it my whole personality or being and would rather be thought of as being a good son or friend. I went on my first march this year as I feel its important for me to show solidarity as the right is on the raise in this country and sooner or later we'll be under attack even more so." The right are the only ones who are going to save you from the muslim invasion, you should probably thank them for saving you rather than try and smear them | |||
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"Always the boomers having to say something shite about Pride. Some of you still live in a closet deep enough to see Christmas or to reach Narnia.." The "boomers" are the ones that got you your gay rights if you want to make a change how about you go and try do the same in Asia ans the middle East instead of doing engaging in empty celebration and rampant consumerism? | |||
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"Always the boomers having to say something shite about Pride. Some of you still live in a closet deep enough to see Christmas or to reach Narnia.. The "boomers" are the ones that got you your gay rights if you want to make a change how about you go and try do the same in Asia ans the middle East instead of doing engaging in empty celebration and rampant consumerism?" One of the most sensible posts on this thread. Gay rights and breaking down prejudices has been a gradual thing. Hasn't happened over-night and sadly some homophobic attitudes still exist. The so-called 'boomers' [I confess to being one and apologise profusely for being born when I was] have been very instrumental in obtaining gay right. The first relaxation of anti gay laws happened 59 years ago and was implemented by the pre-Boomer generation. I've nothing against Pride as such. However I don't think it actually achieves anything other than some enjoyment for those who wish to take part. No much different to a rock concert nowadays only, unlike a rock concert, it seems to take over streets and town centres rather than be held in parks on a sensible 'ticket only' basis for adults and those who enjoy it. | |||
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