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"Sadly there still is a stigma about being gay. Not just in working class areas of big cities but also in rural areas. I've tended to keep quiet about my sexuality and shrug off rumours. Not bothered with 'the scene' for a few years after I found gay pubs were no longer exclusively gay. Perhaps they still are in gay villages." I can imagine it can be tough mate especially in the rural areas it must be so hard for anyone to fully come out and be themselves which should never be the case | |||
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"To be honest I am not familiar with the Gay Scene in big cities. Used to visit towns with something of a gay scene but that was 20+ years ago. Places like Torquay, Bournemouth, Bath etc where there were specific gay bars, night clubs etc. Probably fairly tame and restrained compared to somewhere like Manchester's Gay Village. Was Tip Toe really representative of today's gay scene? I know there is still a fair bit of homophobia in rural areas though it rarely erupts into violence." A friend of mine was injured in the Admiral Duncan bombing, another friend of mine was beaten to death leaving a nightclub as he was holding his partners hand walking down the street, and only yesterday a writer I know was told to take the lead off his dog, or “I’ll put a lead around your neck and hang you, you queer cunt”. All in central London, a supposed cosmopolitan city. And yet there are still hoards of closeted and married men on here saying Pride is outdated and unnecessary. Go figure. | |||
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"Just ask yourself why we are still yet to see a professional footballer from the Premier League come out? Not just the Premier League but other leagues in England how often if ever do you hear of players coming out? " Very few professional footballers throughout the world have dared to risk 'coming out'. Probably more through the aggressive nature of some of the more moronic elements of football fans. Of the few that have most have waited until their career is over. A few rugby players have 'come out' and seem to have got away with it much better. Accepted by fellow players and fans alike. I played rugby for years at a local level. I never came out but there were suspicions and friendly jibes which I laughed off. Would like to think I would still have been accepted had I been brave enough. | |||
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"To be honest I am not familiar with the Gay Scene in big cities. Used to visit towns with something of a gay scene but that was 20+ years ago. Places like Torquay, Bournemouth, Bath etc where there were specific gay bars, night clubs etc. Probably fairly tame and restrained compared to somewhere like Manchester's Gay Village. Was Tip Toe really representative of today's gay scene? " It was pretty accurate but in a much more "compressed to fit the narrative" kind of way in the show. Much of the village is pretty mundane, especially along Canal Street itself. And of course there are venues/themed nights that are somewhat more extreme than what was shown, but you generally know what you're looking for when you go to such things 🙂 | |||
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"Just ask yourself why we are still yet to see a professional footballer from the Premier League come out? Not just the Premier League but other leagues in England how often if ever do you hear of players coming out? Very few professional footballers throughout the world have dared to risk 'coming out'. Probably more through the aggressive nature of some of the more moronic elements of football fans. Of the few that have most have waited until their career is over. A few rugby players have 'come out' and seem to have got away with it much better. Accepted by fellow players and fans alike. I played rugby for years at a local level. I never came out but there were suspicions and friendly jibes which I laughed off. Would like to think I would still have been accepted had I been brave enough." Aye it’s bloody tough mate especially in such a environment like football and rugby which unfortunately still can’t seem to accept it It would be nice to think that you would have been accepted for who you are and not for your sexuality as let’s be honest here it shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever as it doesn’t make you any difference as a person I go to football on a regular basis hanging out with my mates before the match going for a few beers etc etc but I’ve never been fully open to them about my sexuality as I’d be worried it would make them look different at me Sad I know as I’m sure deep down it wouldn’t make any difference at all but why take that risk especially as I’m happy to continue the way things are living a secret so to speak So yes I can fully understand how you feel about it all mate it’s not easy at times that’s for sure | |||
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"It was very well acted. A good script, I can't deny albeit some flaws But I can't say it was enjoyable. It was full of characters and situation that were a mileau that's not condusive to my nature. The ending was sickening. The mother aggressive and enticing lies The very aggressive "I'm not gay but only in my fantasies" Clive. The older son deliberately feeding his father regarding the gays coming on to him. Surely he knew what his father was like. The irresponsible use of media and posting of pictures knowing of the problems going on The yobs No neighbours bar one witnessing murder. The hey ho attitude of Leo and thinking he's sorted stuff. Yes, over the top drama but deeply unsettling IMO humbly. " What about that little rat George turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him? I actually thought that Saul was the only decent character in that household at the end. | |||
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"It was very well acted. A good script, I can't deny albeit some flaws But I can't say it was enjoyable. It was full of characters and situation that were a mileau that's not condusive to my nature. The ending was sickening. The mother aggressive and enticing lies The very aggressive "I'm not gay but only in my fantasies" Clive. The older son deliberately feeding his father regarding the gays coming on to him. Surely he knew what his father was like. The irresponsible use of media and posting of pictures knowing of the problems going on The yobs No neighbours bar one witnessing murder. The hey ho attitude of Leo and thinking he's sorted stuff. Yes, over the top drama but deeply unsettling IMO humbly. What about that little rat George turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him? I actually thought that Saul was the only decent character in that household at the end." Tbh Saul was the only one out of them who tried to stop it happening the others just either stood and watched or participated in it which should exactly what type of people they were Let’s be honest here any right minded person would do everything in their power to stop it oh at least I would hope they would As for George I just think he was too scared to do anything to help Leo especially being so young I mean what could he really do against all yours lads and his so called Father 🤷🏻 He would be absolutely terrified man | |||
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" What about that little rat George turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him? I actually thought that Saul was the only decent character in that household at the end." Wouldn't call George a little rat. A silly boy to an extend going to that party, getting d*unk and allowing himself to be made up. Bet a good many of us have done similar things at his age only, with no internet or smartphones it didn't go viral. I guess he was terrified. Sort of got away with letting himself into Leo's house but still terrified of his father and his father's football yobbo mates. A confused kid and scarred for life with what ultimately happened. | |||
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" What about that little rat George turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him? I actually thought that Saul was the only decent character in that household at the end. Wouldn't call George a little rat. A silly boy to an extend going to that party, getting d*unk and allowing himself to be made up. Bet a good many of us have done similar things at his age only, with no internet or smartphones it didn't go viral. I guess he was terrified. Sort of got away with letting himself into Leo's house but still terrified of his father and his father's football yobbo mates. A confused kid and scarred for life with what ultimately happened." Exactly how he would feel mate especially with a father like Clive as he knew how dangerous and bad tempered he was | |||
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"Oh, I nearly forgot! I also had the shit kicked out of me at 3am one morning by two City of London policemen calling me a “fucking poof” after being left alone after having a row with my boyfriend. So yeah. Violence towards gay people is well and truly still alive and kicking. Literally. " where did this happen ? | |||
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"It was very well acted. A good script, I can't deny albeit some flaws But I can't say it was enjoyable. It was full of characters and situation that were a mileau that's not condusive to my nature. The ending was sickening. The mother aggressive and enticing lies The very aggressive "I'm not gay but only in my fantasies" Clive. The older son deliberately feeding his father regarding the gays coming on to him. Surely he knew what his father was like. The irresponsible use of media and posting of pictures knowing of the problems going on The yobs No neighbours bar one witnessing murder. The hey ho attitude of Leo and thinking he's sorted stuff. Yes, over the top drama but deeply unsettling IMO humbly. What about that little rat George turning on Leo, the man who tried to help him? I actually thought that Saul was the only decent character in that household at the end. Tbh Saul was the only one out of them who tried to stop it happening the others just either stood and watched or participated in it which should exactly what type of people they were Let’s be honest here any right minded person would do everything in their power to stop it oh at least I would hope they would As for George I just think he was too scared to do anything to help Leo especially being so young I mean what could he really do against all yours lads and his so called Father 🤷🏻 He would be absolutely terrified man " Also, depending on what happens - if George and Saul stop it, and somehow Clive isn't jailed then George has to live there with his dad and all the mates knowing where he lives and all those consequences. Saul can move out if he wants to and needs to. Much easier to do that at 25 than at 16. I felt quite sorry for George as well. | |||
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"Just ask yourself why we are still yet to see a professional footballer from the Premier League come out? Not just the Premier League but other leagues in England how often if ever do you hear of players coming out? Very few professional footballers throughout the world have dared to risk 'coming out'. Probably more through the aggressive nature of some of the more moronic elements of football fans. Of the few that have most have waited until their career is over. A few rugby players have 'come out' and seem to have got away with it much better. Accepted by fellow players and fans alike. I played rugby for years at a local level. I never came out but there were suspicions and friendly jibes which I laughed off. Would like to think I would still have been accepted had I been brave enough." I've heard rugby players laughing at footballers for "all that kissing and hugging for scoring a goal.......what's wrong with a manly wank in the bath after?" | |||
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" Very few professional footballers throughout the world have dared to risk 'coming out'. Probably more through the aggressive nature of some of the more moronic elements of football fans. Of the few that have most have waited until their career is over. A few rugby players have 'come out' and seem to have got away with it much better. Accepted by fellow players and fans alike. I played rugby for years at a local level. I never came out but there were suspicions and friendly jibes which I laughed off. Would like to think I would still have been accepted had I been brave enough. I've heard rugby players laughing at footballers for "all that kissing and hugging for scoring a goal.......what's wrong with a manly wank in the bath after?"" True we did used to laugh at football players hugging and kissing after they scored. However you see professional rugby players do the same now. Even an local amateur level I've seen it after a try is scored. Used too be just a hand shake or a pat on the back. As for what happens in the locker rooms afterwards stays in the locker room. I've been wanked off by a presumably straight teammate under the murky waters of a communal bath. | |||
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"Oh, I nearly forgot! I also had the shit kicked out of me at 3am one morning by two City of London policemen calling me a “fucking poof” after being left alone after having a row with my boyfriend. So yeah. Violence towards gay people is well and truly still alive and kicking. Literally. where did this happen ? " Outside Liverpool St Station. I ended up getting arrested as I fought back. I was taken to the station and charged, when the desk sergeant saw the cuts on my face with blood pouring down, he laughed and said “I see he’s had a fall boys”. | |||
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"Hanging him at the end was over the top. I'm not saying that this could never happen as the country descends down a bigoted black hole,but hanging him in that situation didn't ring true. He would have been stopped." Totally agree on that one. Even a bit d*unk and homophobic I doubt those football fan mates would have just watched without realising this was going too far. More reminiscent of the 19th century American Western lynch mobs. | |||
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"Hanging him at the end was over the top. I'm not saying that this could never happen as the country descends down a bigoted black hole,but hanging him in that situation didn't ring true. He would have been stopped." What, RTD wrote some utter shite that’s completely far fetched, totally unbelievable and insanely over the top? No. I’m shocked. Genuinely shocked. Next you’ll be telling me The Guardian gave it four stars and we’re banging on about his “characteristic bravura”. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated? | |||
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"The problem is that we are all used to watching ridiculous very violent movies , thrillers etc that are fantasies but this one is to near to home and IMHO was way over the top as I've said before. " I do like very violent movies.. like Commando and Terrifier.. and the Saw movies.. and that one on the train with that bird from American Beauty.. and American Psycho.. and American Assassin.. and A Man apart.. and man on fire.. and Zulu with Orlando Bloom.. and the Scream movies.. and the Halloween movies.. and the punisher with Thomas Jane.. and Gangs of New York. And the Rambo movie that was released in 2008.. I think.. that was VIOLENT AS FOOK.. | |||
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