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"What problem would it solve ? " It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!! | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" Exactly 👍 | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" Or perhaps we shouldn't of closed all the youth clubs the armed forces aren't youth workers. | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? " Would you fancy paying for it? Maintaining forces overseas was a huge expense to the UK taxpayer - during the 1950s, the standard rate of income tax was 9 shillings in the pound (ie 45%), and there was also purchase tax, at 33%. At that time it was seen as a necessary expense to maintain the hold on the remaining territories of the British Empire. Now they're gone, and financing the support for those forces would be a hard sell. The country's broke as it is. The Scandinavian countries have it, but they have far higher tax rates than we do. Where would they be stationed, and what would they do? There were some benefited from it - they learned skills or a trade that set them up for a job in later life - but for most people who had to do it, it was a huge waste of several years of their lives. And the army regulars weren't thrilled about being stuck with untrained raw recruits who mostly didn't want to be there, either. With an army increasingly armed with highly technical equipment, training costs will be rising, and those skills are not transferable to civvy street. | |||
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"YES, IN CAPITAL LETTERS. " Which of the forces were you in? | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? Would you fancy paying for it? Maintaining forces overseas was a huge expense to the UK taxpayer - during the 1950s, the standard rate of income tax was 9 shillings in the pound (ie 45%), and there was also purchase tax, at 33%. At that time it was seen as a necessary expense to maintain the hold on the remaining territories of the British Empire. Now they're gone, and financing the support for those forces would be a hard sell. The country's broke as it is. The Scandinavian countries have it, but they have far higher tax rates than we do. Where would they be stationed, and what would they do? There were some benefited from it - they learned skills or a trade that set them up for a job in later life - but for most people who had to do it, it was a huge waste of several years of their lives. And the army regulars weren't thrilled about being stuck with untrained raw recruits who mostly didn't want to be there, either. With an army increasingly armed with highly technical equipment, training costs will be rising, and those skills are not transferable to civvy street. " I’ve just asked the question that’s all thank you for your views | |||
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"I'm 77 , and conscription ended in my teens (1960 or 1963) so very few on here have any right to comment unless they actually joined one of HM Forces voluntarily " Everyone has a right to comment mate which I why I asked the question and made the thread it doesn’t matter if you have served or not it’s a matter of opinion whether we should bring it back or not | |||
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"I'm 77 , and conscription ended in my teens (1960 or 1963) so very few on here have any right to comment unless they actually joined one of HM Forces voluntarily " Its a conversation, so nothing gives anyone any less or any more right to an opinion on the notion of national service than anyone else. | |||
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"I'm 77 , and conscription ended in my teens (1960 or 1963) so very few on here have any right to comment unless they actually joined one of HM Forces voluntarily Its a conversation, so nothing gives anyone any less or any more right to an opinion on the notion of national service than anyone else." Exactly 👍 | |||
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"You can learn bush craft learn what nuts to eat and what fungis to pick xx " Whey aye learn how to survive off the land teach them bush craft skills great skills to have even if you never might need them | |||
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"You can learn bush craft learn what nuts to eat and what fungis to pick xx " Err no, you get rations issued. Couldn't imagine a group of soldiers being encouraged to raid crops? | |||
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"You can learn bush craft learn what nuts to eat and what fungis to pick xx Err no, you get rations issued. Couldn't imagine a group of soldiers being encouraged to raid crops? " It was a joke…. | |||
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"Send the NEETs" Aye it’ll teach them some discipline if nothing else | |||
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"The world has sadly become a dangerous place so I think it maybe time to look at this again, our current armed forces are a shadow of what they once were and I feel any enemy could at the moment just 'walk in'. " Agree 👍 Surely having some sort of national service would be beneficial to our Armed Forces and the UK as a whole It would give individuals a purpose in life teach them some respect and discipline and help them become better people with better prospects in life especially if they learn different types of trades etc etc | |||
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"ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only people who seem to advocate national service are A, Those who have never served in the armed forces. B, Those who are way too old to be conscripted. C, Those who think all youngsters are unruly yobs and need disciplining. The armed services are a very professional body that does not need watering down with unwilling, unhappy and unsuitable people. Unless you have the right frame of mind it would be a punishment, a prison service without having committed a crime. As it is a lot of willing enthusiastic recruits get rejected or fail to complete basic training. Romantic idealism gets blown out of the water when hash reality cuts in. I joined voluntarily. Talk about a shock to the system and in the first few weeks I didn't think I would stick it but I had the right disciplinary frame of mind to overcome my doubts and enjoy it. Another factor would be cost. The armed services are stretched to the limit financially as it is and it costs a lot of money to train a single soldier, sailor or airman. " Respect your views mate 👊 That’s what this thread was meant to do to hear people’s views on it and you have put over a very good argument why we shouldn’t bring in National Service | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" Is that where you learnt your discipline and skills? | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" And theres no need for every youngster to be forced into national service! | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? " NO | |||
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"ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only people who seem to advocate national service are A, Those who have never served in the armed forces. B, Those who are way too old to be conscripted. C, Those who think all youngsters are unruly yobs and need disciplining. The armed services are a very professional body that does not need watering down with unwilling, unhappy and unsuitable people. Unless you have the right frame of mind it would be a punishment, a prison service without having committed a crime. As it is a lot of willing enthusiastic recruits get rejected or fail to complete basic training. Romantic idealism gets blown out of the water when hash reality cuts in. I joined voluntarily. Talk about a shock to the system and in the first few weeks I didn't think I would stick it but I had the right disciplinary frame of mind to overcome my doubts and enjoy it. Another factor would be cost. The armed services are stretched to the limit financially as it is and it costs a lot of money to train a single soldier, sailor or airman. " This. I also served voluntarily. | |||
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"ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only people who seem to advocate national service are A, Those who have never served in the armed forces. B, Those who are way too old to be conscripted. C, Those who think all youngsters are unruly yobs and need disciplining. The armed services are a very professional body that does not need watering down with unwilling, unhappy and unsuitable people. Unless you have the right frame of mind it would be a punishment, a prison service without having committed a crime. As it is a lot of willing enthusiastic recruits get rejected or fail to complete basic training. Romantic idealism gets blown out of the water when hash reality cuts in. I joined voluntarily. Talk about a shock to the system and in the first few weeks I didn't think I would stick it but I had the right disciplinary frame of mind to overcome my doubts and enjoy it. Another factor would be cost. The armed services are stretched to the limit financially as it is and it costs a lot of money to train a single soldier, sailor or airman. This. I also served voluntarily. " . Agree totally, also the army I left in 1990 no longer exists. They need smart clever recruits, who maybe asked to operate very advanced weapon systems...not just a rifle | |||
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"Who would want the kids to fight for a flag that you can't even wave, and some people have been banned from pubs due to wearing them. So, what flag would you want our boys and girls to fight under during wars? " Oh no! Poor you!! What flag is it you CANT fly again and exactly WHERE can't you fly it??? | |||
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"It's not even a workable idea whilst we've got governments incapable of succeeding to do anything positive and no backbone to implement difficult choices. Benefits is the new career choice for some of the new generation and human rights protection, mental health and anxiety would prevent any enforcement of national service. " But for those who are prepared to serve their country, and not necessarily in the armed forces, but perhaps in the NHS, police or schools etc. it could be a way of repaying student loans. | |||
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"ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only people who seem to advocate national service are A, Those who have never served in the armed forces. B, Those who are way too old to be conscripted. C, Those who think all youngsters are unruly yobs and need disciplining. The armed services are a very professional body that does not need watering down with unwilling, unhappy and unsuitable people. Unless you have the right frame of mind it would be a punishment, a prison service without having committed a crime. As it is a lot of willing enthusiastic recruits get rejected or fail to complete basic training. Romantic idealism gets blown out of the water when hash reality cuts in. I joined voluntarily. Talk about a shock to the system and in the first few weeks I didn't think I would stick it but I had the right disciplinary frame of mind to overcome my doubts and enjoy it. Another factor would be cost. The armed services are stretched to the limit financially as it is and it costs a lot of money to train a single soldier, sailor or airman. " 
Thank you. Good to hear from someone who has served, and knows what is involved from the inside. | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" ....you sound like Victor meldrew.....   | |||
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"... There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!! ....you sound like Victor meldrew..... "I couldn't believe it. | |||
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"I'm pleased it wasn't a thing when I was younger. If an officer was shouting at us all I'd probably be the one who started laughing and be forced to do 100 pressups or something "Sgt major Williams. 'ew is a poov' 😂 | |||
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"Perhaps on a different form but I think it's a good thing for the young generation to pick up a vast range of skills and give them purpose. Some flexibility would be good to allow them back to society in jobs when available. I'm happy volunteering in the community too, mentoring young into jobs, as too old to do service now. " Something or some place they can go to be surrounded by people who believe in them give them a chance and feeling of purpose learning new skills especially etc etc that will help them believe in themselves more and better themselves | |||
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"Did you see the series Bad Lads Army? (The full 3 series are on YouTube) It's about a group of wrongens who underwent 1950s style army training for a few weeks. For some it really turned their life around." Christ that’s a blast from the past 🙂 I remember watching it and yes it did end up helping some of them turn their lives around | |||
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"Did you see the series Bad Lads Army? (The full 3 series are on YouTube) It's about a group of wrongens who underwent 1950s style army training for a few weeks. For some it really turned their life around. Christ that’s a blast from the past 🙂 I remember watching it and yes it did end up helping some of them turn their lives around " Yeah it was a good few years ago think it was on Ch4. It's a really good watch, I re-watched it all last year on YouTube. | |||
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"Did you see the series Bad Lads Army? (The full 3 series are on YouTube) It's about a group of wrongens who underwent 1950s style army training for a few weeks. For some it really turned their life around. Christ that’s a blast from the past 🙂 I remember watching it and yes it did end up helping some of them turn their lives around Yeah it was a good few years ago think it was on Ch4. It's a really good watch, I re-watched it all last year on YouTube." Aye i really enjoyed it when it was on it had its funny moments but also it’s serious moments oh and the odd bit of bare backsides on show 😂 | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" Army teaches you not to get caught. Uni teaches you to do something your proud of. If everyone on dole had to do community workforce NHS or council there might be some merit. But cheap and subsidised labour via "work experience", and cannon fodder nationalist indoctrination serv no useful purpose. Why fight for a flag when the chancers pushing it into our hands are one cheek on the same arse as the other side? | |||
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"It's not even a workable idea whilst we've got governments incapable of succeeding to do anything positive and no backbone to implement difficult choices. Benefits is the new career choice for some of the new generation and human rights protection, mental health and anxiety would prevent any enforcement of national service. But for those who are prepared to serve their country, and not necessarily in the armed forces, but perhaps in the NHS, police or schools etc. it could be a way of repaying student loans." Maybe have a read about student loan repayments | |||
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"My lad has just turned 18 He's thriving. - just passed his driving test. Just completed his second year or an engineering course in college. Working 20 hours a week in Greggs. In a band that is getting gigs around the north west. Why the hell should all this be taken from him? " Exactly. Shoving him into the armed forces would probably be like sending him to prison for a crime he has not committed. It would be ridiculous and unfair. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea for the layabouts that don't want to work or do not contribute and also discipline the thugs but certainly not the lads like yours that are doing something with their lives. "Have to disagree. If they are layabouts and don't want to work then they would be absolutely useless to the armed forces and cause problems for the willing, enthusiastic volunteers. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea for the layabouts that don't want to work or do not contribute and also discipline the thugs but certainly not the lads like yours that are doing something with their lives.
Have to disagree. If they are layabouts and don't want to work then they would be absolutely useless to the armed forces and cause problems for the willing, enthusiastic volunteers."Private Benjamin was tamed. 😂 | |||
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"My lad has just turned 18 He's thriving. - just passed his driving test. Just completed his second year or an engineering course in college. Working 20 hours a week in Greggs. In a band that is getting gigs around the north west. Why the hell should all this be taken from him? " The list of successful entertainers who served in the Forces during the war, whether conscripted or volunteering, is very long. It probably enhanced their sense of humour - Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan for instance - As they said, "If you couldn't take a joke, you shouldn't have signed on." But..."Why the hell should all this be taken from him?" Because the Americans are led by a mad autocrat, Because Putin thinks he's the new Tsar of All The Russias... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/11/8038744/ ...and because our own forces wouldn't last three weeks if they were required to defend Europe's democracies - as they are obliged to do under the NATO charter.. Because you may be able to take territory occupied by an invader with air power alone, but you need manpower to hold it. And if your son were crafty enough to enlist before the call-up started, he'd be paid a shedload more than Greggs are giving him... | |||
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"My lad has just turned 18 He's thriving. - just passed his driving test. Just completed his second year or an engineering course in college. Working 20 hours a week in Greggs. In a band that is getting gigs around the north west. Why the hell should all this be taken from him? The list of successful entertainers who served in the Forces during the war, whether conscripted or volunteering, is very long. It probably enhanced their sense of humour - Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan for instance - As they said, "If you couldn't take a joke, you shouldn't have signed on." But..."Why the hell should all this be taken from him?" Because the Americans are led by a mad autocrat, Because Putin thinks he's the new Tsar of All The Russias... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/11/8038744/ ...and because our own forces wouldn't last three weeks if they were required to defend Europe's democracies - as they are obliged to do under the NATO charter.. Because you may be able to take territory occupied by an invader with air power alone, but you need manpower to hold it. And if your son were crafty enough to enlist before the call-up started, he'd be paid a shedload more than Greggs are giving him... " But after his 3rd year in college he's already been offered an apprenticeship from my mate... Who's actually willing to take him on now but the lad wants to compleat his course. He'll be earning a load more than the army or any forces pay new recruits and be a stepping stone to advance. | |||
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"I don't know why folk are even debating this. It isn't going to happen. National service is merely a Daily Express reader wank fantasy, and nothing more." Exactly. The social media comments pages are hilarious as well. Boomers who never did national service harping on about it. 🤣 | |||
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" ....But after his 3rd year in college he's already been offered an apprenticeship from my mate... Who's actually willing to take him on now but the lad wants to compleat his course. He'll be earning a load more than the army or any forces pay new recruits and be a stepping stone to advance. " Sure, but when conscription starts, everyone is in the same fix. You asked "why?" I tried to answer you. Now, in return, why, if conscription begins, should your son be treated any differently? | |||
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"I’ve always argued that nobody should be able to leave school at 16 and join straight on the unemployment line. Every 16 years old should be offered the option to either mover into further education or move onto an apprenticeship scheme to teach a trade, or joint up for national service again as away to teach a trade and not as cannon fodder. There should be no option to claim unemployment benefit until the age of 19 " Keep up its Universal Credit now which under 18 only can claim on exceptional circumstances such as disability. | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? " absolutely not, I served for 22 years and wouldn't want to baby sit forced manpower over volunteers. Alot of people think this is the answer to the delinquent society we have now, it just degrades our military | |||
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"I don't know why folk are even debating this. It isn't going to happen. National service is merely a Daily Express reader wank fantasy, and nothing more. Exactly. The social media comments pages are hilarious as well. Boomers who never did national service harping on about it. 🤣" "Boomers" is the giveaway here. Boomers lived through the post WW2 austerity - far more intense than anything since. They lived throughout the entire Cold War, with an active nuclear threat from the Soviet Union - which included all the Baltic states, Poland, half of Germany and much of Central Europe. They are obviously* completely unqualified to comment on the subject of what to do when the next war comes, and need to bow to the superior wisdom of younger people who think their nice comfortable lives can't be disrupted by maniacs. Pffft. *sarcasm emoji | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? absolutely not, I served for 22 years and wouldn't want to baby sit forced manpower over volunteers. Alot of people think this is the answer to the delinquent society we have now, it just degrades our military " Here here | |||
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"Yes. I did it in the country where I grew up, and it did have the positive effect of bringing together people from different walks of life. A well run and well funded army can deal with the "burden" of military service. It is not about using youths for war, and it isn't about teaching them how to use the most complicated technologies, they can do that if they decide to make a carrier in the army. Ten months of compulsory physical training, community-focused tasks, learning survival skills, and team building exercises, would do many youths a lot of good. " What about having it for those in their 30/40/50 to keep up with the tech and realign their community focus. That might be the most fruitful group that needs addressing | |||
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"Yes. I did it in the country where I grew up, and it did have the positive effect of bringing together people from different walks of life. A well run and well funded army can deal with the "burden" of military service. It is not about using youths for war, and it isn't about teaching them how to use the most complicated technologies, they can do that if they decide to make a carrier in the army. Ten months of compulsory physical training, community-focused tasks, learning survival skills, and team building exercises, would do many youths a lot of good. " Good sense, there. As you say, it's not just the armed forces. There were alternatives in both world wars; coal mines, fishing, forestry, land work. All crucial to our national survival. | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!! Exactly 👍 " Teach thugs better ways of killing people? Good plan. | |||
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"the regular army can't get enough equipment as it is where we gonna get the equipment to outfit the thousand of kids. " WW2 began in the aftermath of a catastrophic economic depression (which helped to cause the war). Our fighting capacity was minimal, as it is now. Gross shortages of equipment, uniforms, the lot.The alternatives were: 1. Capitulate to a really nasty regime. 2. "Keep buggering on" (WS Churchill) We took #2, borrowed under punitive conditions, and were able to hold off disaster until the Yanks realised we had no intention of losing and belatedly joined in. Your choice, chaps. | |||
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"We can't even get one of our (very few) ships out the Mediterranean at the moment. Our capacity for war is below minimal. Forcing teenagers into service will not solve any of that. We would need to invest alot more into the armed forces then we are now to bring it up to standards (also I believe we should stop following America into nearly all their wars as well). " Increasing manpower is PART of making our forces effective. You can't do everything with AI. And if today's enlightened and socially conscious youth doesn't want to volunteer in sufficient numbers, then conscription is the only option. For the Forces, and for arms manufacture, too. Also, I think you'd agree, we've left it far too late to decide that a very real threat exists. Much as we did before WW2. When we also had no money...but got round that somehow. The Germans know it, the Poles and Baltics know it, and we are treaty-bound to support them with actual fighting. | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? " No. Armed forces dont want it. And it may train those with no love for our country for free i.e. like the IRA volunteers who joined the British Army to get free training, amongst others. | |||
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"Who would want the kids to fight for a flag that you can't even wave, and some people have been banned from pubs due to wearing them. So, what flag would you want our boys and girls to fight under during wars? Do you ever watch the news buddy? Oh no! Poor you!! What flag is it you CANT fly again and exactly WHERE can't you fly it???" | |||
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"National service may sort out the current youths on the UK, their culture and their knife problems." So everyone has to serve just because of a small minority of thugs? Ironically they are the ones who would find a way of getting out of it. Do you seriously believe there was no crime during the national service era? Remember the actor who played 'Dirty Den'! Also I expect you believe that all off duties servicemen just sit around sipping tea whilst reading the Church Times. Treat yourself to a weekend evening in a garrison town centre. You might wake up. | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? No. Armed forces dont want it. And it may train those with no love for our country for free i.e. like the IRA volunteers who joined the British Army to get free training, amongst others." When did that happen apart from 1921 the war of independence after serving in the First World War where thousands of Irishmen died because a few kings fell out with eachother. | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" Yes I agree, discipline, camaraderie etc | |||
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"The country couldn't afford it. Struggling to equip our armed forces as it is. " Offer them a choice to join and keep benefits ( the unemployed who do not wish to work) or lose benefits ?? | |||
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"They would all claim to have adhd so they don't have to go "…and if they were made to go they’d all claim PTSD. | |||
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"They would all claim to have adhd so they don't have to go
…and if they were made to go they’d all claim PTSD."True | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? " And 'the birch' !!! | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? And 'the birch' !!!" And burning witches | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? And 'the birch' !!! And burning witches " After they've been birched And dunking in water first to prove their status | |||
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"I volunteered and joined up, and had the greatest of times, I don't regret one moment of it, it set me up for life. However I feel that a volunteer is better than a pressed man or woman. Should maybe be an option for some young people who are involved with crime as a way to getting themselves back on track." The latter part of my time in the army was dealing with new recruits. Some had been recommended by parole boards as they had record for petty crimes and were struggling to get civilian job. With some it worked quite well. They managed to turn their lives around. Others not so. Wrong mindset and just couldn't hack it. | |||
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"Strange post. Perhaps the old and out of shape weren't old and out of shape when they were young. We all get old and believe me aging of the body is not fun. " Yes I know how bodies work . I'm getting older and it's a lot harder at stay in shape. But so many here seem to thing is fine to send the youth into the armed forces when many themselves have not, would not and now, could not. | |||
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"Just watching trooping of the colour Very proud of the young men who would help defend the country if needed . Thousands of spectators too. " I’ve always sat and and watched it as my Dad served in the Army and was in the Military Band so he always encouraged us to watch it as a family when I was younger No other country does it better and it makes you proud to be British we really do have the best most professional Armed Forces in the world | |||
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"Just watching trooping of the colour Very proud of the young men who would help defend the country if needed . Thousands of spectators too. " Can you imagine the unhappy, unwilling and the unruly being turned into those smart disciplined soldiers? You've got to be willing and have the right mindset. | |||
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"Just watching trooping of the colour Very proud of the young men who would help defend the country if needed . Thousands of spectators too. Can you imagine the unhappy, unwilling and the unruly being turned into those smart disciplined soldiers? You've got to be willing and have the right mindset." Exactly mate it’s a mindset alright and takes a certain attitude to be able to do it | |||
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"Do you think we should bring back National Service in this country? " never | |||
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"What problem would it solve ? It might teach some of these youngsters done discipline that parents seem to have abandoned plus teaching them skills to use in later life. There’s no need for every youngster to go to uni!!" University did me no harm | |||
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"The community pay back programs that have failed are a blue print of what the NCOs would be working with when forcing even law abiding citizens to do something they do not want to do or worst are incapable off We moved to a professional armed forces for a reason . The poor and disenfranchised make for bad cannon fodder" Many just don't turn up to community payback, and you say, oh, they will just get referred back to court etc! Yes, BUT, how long does it take for their cases to be heard again, as we already know about the huge back log for court cases. | |||
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"Unfortunately, there will be so many exempt from doing National Service, that I think it would expose the system and it's many flaws.. The world has moved on greatly since the "Get Some In" era of the 1950s and 1960s. Who will decide who serves, and who is exempt? Even the current and previous governments are two tier, and have been for more than 30 years, so there would already be a tier system, if the government decides! " Probably true. One of the reasons why some countries, like Denmark, stopped conscription was the many loophole youngsters could jump through to avoid it, plus just not turning up when called up. Can imagine the 'bleeding hearts' lawyers would have a field day. It's just not practical. | |||
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