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"It’s abhorrent, but a portent of things to come . A world run by a handful of people, who own most of the World’s wealth .. " That's always been true.It's just shifting from banks to autistic grifters now. | |||
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"Unfortunately he will squander his wealth on some vanity project and not for the greater good of mankind. Hopefully he will piss off to Mars soon. " I find it interesting that the richer people become the more altruistic they are supposed to be - even if it is some vanity project, people will be employed, supply chains commissioned... | |||
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"Its not what he's got but how he uses it that matters. Sadly, I think he is too self obssessed to use it for anything useful." True, probably for some unscrupulous means.... | |||
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"It’s abhorrent, but a portent of things to come . A world run by a handful of people, who own most of the World’s wealth .. That's always been true.It's just shifting from banks to autistic grifters now." The banks and corporations still own most they are just more circumspect. Who has more power, Musk or BlackRock? JPMorgan or Peter Thiel? | |||
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"What would be the interest on that amount! " It's what they estimate he's worth, which can be misleading. It's not that he's necessarily cash rich by that amount but the worth of all his assets. Also it's not necessarily accurate either. | |||
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"$1,000,000,000,000.00 is what Musk may be worth today after SpaceX IPO That's 1/4 the UK national debt I don't own a tesla or starlink or rocket or stock. It's just wrong and way too much power. What do you think? Celebrate innovators or limit power? Very concerning and reminiscent of the insane power of rail road amd past oil majors. Star Wars. Love it but not if it's run by the Republic. " Elon Musk's significant and tangible contributions should be celebrated. Tesla was instrumental in advancing the motor industry toward EVs, which looks like the way forward as development continues. SpaceX slashed launch costs and restored US space capability. Starlink connects remote regions and disaster zones. These are real goods people use every day. Jobs and growth matter too. Tesla and SpaceX employ 140,000+ directly, with hundreds of thousands more across suppliers and related industries. That means wages, factories, R&D, and tax revenue flowing into the global economy. His $1 trillion valuation is of course paper wealth, not just cash. It reflects investor bets on future output. Unlike the old monopolies, Tesla and SpaceX face real rivals like BYD, ULA, Blue Origin, and Kuiper. Concentrated capability solves hard problems. Cheaper rockets, mass-market EVs, and global internet happened because capital and talent took 10-year risks others avoided. Moguls are the kingpins of the world economy, like them or loathe them. They drive innovation, create industries, and move markets at scale to the indirect benefit of everyone. | |||
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"Wealth isn't rich. Good health is rich xx " spot on | |||
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"Wealth isn't rich. Good health is rich xx " Having former makes gaining & keeping the latter a hell of a lot easier. | |||
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"A trillionaire lives in a country with food banks. Anyone who doesn't see the gross imbalance is blind. Rather than use his money and influence for good he would rather sit on twitter supporting far right political parties around the world and stroking further division. He is utterly pathetic and a clear example that we love in a failed system. " Well said  | |||
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"Good for him he had a vision and went for it no grudge against him at all " Yes congrats to the guy born into such wealth he could buy into more wealth, and pay other people to create technology make him even richer. An inspiration. | |||
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"Wealth isn't rich. Good health is rich xx Having former makes gaining & keeping the latter a hell of a lot easier. " agree better to be unhealthy with money than without it .but it's only going to prolong the agony and inevitable with some illnesses. Like pancreatic cancer. XX | |||
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"But he doesnt pay taxes. " Untrue! He does pay taxes! Musk's largest disclosed federal tax payment was $11 billion in 2021, and he pays heavy taxes on the occasions he sells stock or exercises options. | |||
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"Although I do agree with him about humanity becoming a multi planetary species looking at some of his statements I’d say he’s envisioning himself as becoming the Emperor of Mars or something. " Master of Uranus | |||
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"Absolutely abhorrent There is no reason why any individual should be a billionaire, never mind a trillionaire "Exemplifying why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. From the blind came only futher darkness. | |||
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"But he doesnt pay taxes. " Ah the rich don't pay taxes is thrown around a lot especially here in the UK, Just a thought but if you buy a car for say £10,000 then 20% of that goes to the government in VAT or £2,000. Someone who can afford a £100,000 car, pays £20,000 VAT. Simply Ten times more tax paid. Now I hear the tax the rich arguments all the time, but once you try and tax them to the hilt they leave and pay zero tax, so you might make a short term gain in year One, but in year Two there is no rich to tax left, so the burden then falls onto the rest of us to make up the shortfall. Just saying!! | |||
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"Absolutely abhorrent There is no reason why any individual should be a billionaire, never mind a trillionaire
Exemplifying why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. From the blind came only futher darkness.
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"But he doesnt pay taxes. Untrue! He does pay taxes! Musk's largest disclosed federal tax payment was $11 billion in 2021, and he pays heavy taxes on the occasions he sells stock or exercises options." He pays the same percentage tax as someone who earns about 70,ooo dollars a year. | |||
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"Absolutely abhorrent There is no reason why any individual should be a billionaire, never mind a trillionaire
Exemplifying why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. From the blind came only futher darkness.
...meaning? "It illustrates why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Quod Erat Demonstrandum. | |||
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"I don't think he's in it for the money. He actually lives a very frugal lifestyle. His wealth allows him to further innovate which is what motivated him. Fascinating guy. " Exactly. Many just see $$$$$ and stop right there, no further thought beyond that alas. | |||
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"Absolutely abhorrent There is no reason why any individual should be a billionaire, never mind a trillionaire
Exemplifying why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. From the blind came only futher darkness.
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It illustrates why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
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"Absolutely abhorrent There is no reason why any individual should be a billionaire, never mind a trillionaire
Exemplifying why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. From the blind came only futher darkness.
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It illustrates why it's impossible to reason the disgruntled out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
Claiming QED without an actual argument is ironic "Irony requires a contradiction. There isn't one. The claim is the argument, the argument is the claim. | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. " You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. " True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears? | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears?" NASA didn’t pick SpaceX out of charity. They went with them because the others were too slow and too expensive. Tesla paid back its 2010 government loan early, with interest, so the taxpayer actually made money. Most of the risk was Musk’s. SpaceX was landing reusable rockets long after the NASA seed money ran out. Tesla nearly went bankrupt building the Model 3. If those bets failed, he was the one wiped out. The upside was public. Tesla’s share scheme turned thousands of engineers into millionaires. Starlink now gets broadband to rural schools and disaster zones. Reusable rockets have slashed launch costs by over 80 percent, which means more climate satellites and university projects get a ride. People blame X for poisoning minds, but you can say that about any platform. It’s also where you see live war footage and open debate without a middleman. And when things go wrong, governments are the first to fire up Starlink. New wealth shows up when you build new industries. Before Tesla, electric cars were a joke. Before SpaceX, America was buying seats on Russian rockets. In the UK, the impact’s pretty direct. Starlink connects parts of Wales, Scotland and the North that still can’t get decent fibre. The NHS and _ountain rescue use it. Tesla’s put in 1400 plus Superchargers, most now open to any EV, and built grid-scale batteries that keep the lights on. SpaceX launches British satellites for a fraction of the old price. And when there’s a crisis, government alerts still go out on X first. Indeed we should be better than our forebears. Repaid loans, cheaper access to space, clean transport at scale, rural broadband, and a more stable grid is better. That’s what delivering looks like, it's the way forward. | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears? NASA didn’t pick SpaceX out of charity. They went with them because the others were too slow and too expensive. Tesla paid back its 2010 government loan early, with interest, so the taxpayer actually made money. Most of the risk was Musk’s. SpaceX was landing reusable rockets long after the NASA seed money ran out. Tesla nearly went bankrupt building the Model 3. If those bets failed, he was the one wiped out. The upside was public. Tesla’s share scheme turned thousands of engineers into millionaires. Starlink now gets broadband to rural schools and disaster zones. Reusable rockets have slashed launch costs by over 80 percent, which means more climate satellites and university projects get a ride. People blame X for poisoning minds, but you can say that about any platform. It’s also where you see live war footage and open debate without a middleman. And when things go wrong, governments are the first to fire up Starlink. New wealth shows up when you build new industries. Before Tesla, electric cars were a joke. Before SpaceX, America was buying seats on Russian rockets. In the UK, the impact’s pretty direct. Starlink connects parts of Wales, Scotland and the North that still can’t get decent fibre. The NHS and _ountain rescue use it. Tesla’s put in 1400 plus Superchargers, most now open to any EV, and built grid-scale batteries that keep the lights on. SpaceX launches British satellites for a fraction of the old price. And when there’s a crisis, government alerts still go out on X first. Indeed we should be better than our forebears. Repaid loans, cheaper access to space, clean transport at scale, rural broadband, and a more stable grid is better. That’s what delivering looks like, it's the way forward. " I appreciate your civility and considered counter arguments. Something sits uncomfortably with me that for 10% of thos a man can live without a financial care in the world yet it’s not enough. Since Elon can buy ‘happiness’ in spades I am suspicious of his motives, or the motives of any human that has infinite greed. Is it infinite power he seeks because it’s for sale in the US? | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears? NASA didn’t pick SpaceX out of charity. They went with them because the others were too slow and too expensive. Tesla paid back its 2010 government loan early, with interest, so the taxpayer actually made money. Most of the risk was Musk’s. SpaceX was landing reusable rockets long after the NASA seed money ran out. Tesla nearly went bankrupt building the Model 3. If those bets failed, he was the one wiped out. The upside was public. Tesla’s share scheme turned thousands of engineers into millionaires. Starlink now gets broadband to rural schools and disaster zones. Reusable rockets have slashed launch costs by over 80 percent, which means more climate satellites and university projects get a ride. People blame X for poisoning minds, but you can say that about any platform. It’s also where you see live war footage and open debate without a middleman. And when things go wrong, governments are the first to fire up Starlink. New wealth shows up when you build new industries. Before Tesla, electric cars were a joke. Before SpaceX, America was buying seats on Russian rockets. In the UK, the impact’s pretty direct. Starlink connects parts of Wales, Scotland and the North that still can’t get decent fibre. The NHS and _ountain rescue use it. Tesla’s put in 1400 plus Superchargers, most now open to any EV, and built grid-scale batteries that keep the lights on. SpaceX launches British satellites for a fraction of the old price. And when there’s a crisis, government alerts still go out on X first. Indeed we should be better than our forebears. Repaid loans, cheaper access to space, clean transport at scale, rural broadband, and a more stable grid is better. That’s what delivering looks like, it's the way forward. I appreciate your civility and considered counter arguments. Something sits uncomfortably with me that for 10% of thos a man can live without a financial care in the world yet it’s not enough. Since Elon can buy ‘happiness’ in spades I am suspicious of his motives, or the motives of any human that has infinite greed. Is it infinite power he seeks because it’s for sale in the US?" Fair point that it sits uncomfortably. Most of us hit a number where we’d stop. But if Musk’s happiness is measured in seeing Starship land on Mars, then his 10% wouldn’t buy that. That doesn’t prove his motives are pure, but it does mean enough depends on what you’re trying to buy. If it is power he’s after, we’ll see it in what he actually does with it. | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears? NASA didn’t pick SpaceX out of charity. They went with them because the others were too slow and too expensive. Tesla paid back its 2010 government loan early, with interest, so the taxpayer actually made money. Most of the risk was Musk’s. SpaceX was landing reusable rockets long after the NASA seed money ran out. Tesla nearly went bankrupt building the Model 3. If those bets failed, he was the one wiped out. The upside was public. Tesla’s share scheme turned thousands of engineers into millionaires. Starlink now gets broadband to rural schools and disaster zones. Reusable rockets have slashed launch costs by over 80 percent, which means more climate satellites and university projects get a ride. People blame X for poisoning minds, but you can say that about any platform. It’s also where you see live war footage and open debate without a middleman. And when things go wrong, governments are the first to fire up Starlink. New wealth shows up when you build new industries. Before Tesla, electric cars were a joke. Before SpaceX, America was buying seats on Russian rockets. In the UK, the impact’s pretty direct. Starlink connects parts of Wales, Scotland and the North that still can’t get decent fibre. The NHS and _ountain rescue use it. Tesla’s put in 1400 plus Superchargers, most now open to any EV, and built grid-scale batteries that keep the lights on. SpaceX launches British satellites for a fraction of the old price. And when there’s a crisis, government alerts still go out on X first. Indeed we should be better than our forebears. Repaid loans, cheaper access to space, clean transport at scale, rural broadband, and a more stable grid is better. That’s what delivering looks like, it's the way forward. I appreciate your civility and considered counter arguments. Something sits uncomfortably with me that for 10% of thos a man can live without a financial care in the world yet it’s not enough. Since Elon can buy ‘happiness’ in spades I am suspicious of his motives, or the motives of any human that has infinite greed. Is it infinite power he seeks because it’s for sale in the US? Fair point that it sits uncomfortably. Most of us hit a number where we’d stop. But if Musk’s happiness is measured in seeing Starship land on Mars, then his 10% wouldn’t buy that. That doesn’t prove his motives are pure, but it does mean enough depends on what you’re trying to buy. If it is power he’s after, we’ll see it in what he actually does with it. " Having seen his reckless DOGE adventure I’m not sure I want to wait and see. I think he has lost touch with humanity. And this is facilitated by America. He is the endgame of capitalism - the ultimate accumulation of wealth - then what? Capitalism, meet authoritarianism Clearly we have no meeting of minds as I watch ultimate wealth corrupt ultimately | |||
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"Dont we all. Something that tickles that spot that’s never been touched before and sticks to the wall in my shower so people can watch me stretch X "Wonder if this comment was intended for a trillionaire thread? | |||
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"$1,000,000,000,000.00 is what Musk may be worth today after SpaceX IPO That's 1/4 the UK national debt I don't own a tesla or starlink or rocket or stock. It's just wrong and way too much power. What do you think? Celebrate innovators or limit power? Very concerning and reminiscent of the insane power of rail road amd past oil majors. Star Wars. Love it but not if it's run by the Republic. " All his wealth is on paper he actually does not have that amount of crash It’s all tied up in his businesses I think lol | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears? NASA didn’t pick SpaceX out of charity. They went with them because the others were too slow and too expensive. Tesla paid back its 2010 government loan early, with interest, so the taxpayer actually made money. Most of the risk was Musk’s. SpaceX was landing reusable rockets long after the NASA seed money ran out. Tesla nearly went bankrupt building the Model 3. If those bets failed, he was the one wiped out. The upside was public. Tesla’s share scheme turned thousands of engineers into millionaires. Starlink now gets broadband to rural schools and disaster zones. Reusable rockets have slashed launch costs by over 80 percent, which means more climate satellites and university projects get a ride. People blame X for poisoning minds, but you can say that about any platform. It’s also where you see live war footage and open debate without a middleman. And when things go wrong, governments are the first to fire up Starlink. New wealth shows up when you build new industries. Before Tesla, electric cars were a joke. Before SpaceX, America was buying seats on Russian rockets. In the UK, the impact’s pretty direct. Starlink connects parts of Wales, Scotland and the North that still can’t get decent fibre. The NHS and _ountain rescue use it. Tesla’s put in 1400 plus Superchargers, most now open to any EV, and built grid-scale batteries that keep the lights on. SpaceX launches British satellites for a fraction of the old price. And when there’s a crisis, government alerts still go out on X first. Indeed we should be better than our forebears. Repaid loans, cheaper access to space, clean transport at scale, rural broadband, and a more stable grid is better. That’s what delivering looks like, it's the way forward. I appreciate your civility and considered counter arguments. Something sits uncomfortably with me that for 10% of thos a man can live without a financial care in the world yet it’s not enough. Since Elon can buy ‘happiness’ in spades I am suspicious of his motives, or the motives of any human that has infinite greed. Is it infinite power he seeks because it’s for sale in the US? Fair point that it sits uncomfortably. Most of us hit a number where we’d stop. But if Musk’s happiness is measured in seeing Starship land on Mars, then his 10% wouldn’t buy that. That doesn’t prove his motives are pure, but it does mean enough depends on what you’re trying to buy. If it is power he’s after, we’ll see it in what he actually does with it. Having seen his reckless DOGE adventure I’m not sure I want to wait and see. I think he has lost touch with humanity. And this is facilitated by America. He is the endgame of capitalism - the ultimate accumulation of wealth - then what? Capitalism, meet authoritarianism Clearly we have no meeting of minds as I watch ultimate wealth corrupt ultimately" I can see where you’re coming from. Although we’re clearly starting from very different perspectives and first principles on capitalism and wealth. I don’t think Musk is the endgame of anything yet, but I get why the DOGE rollout made you disillusioned. It was indeed messy, fell short of its trillion-dollar goal, and the heavy-handed way it was done rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way. Thanks, I appreciate the decent discussion. | |||
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"Without government grants, contracts and preferential loans there would not be Tesla or Space X. He socialised the risk and corporatised the profit And a lot of very bright engineers carried his ego to his trillions. You'll find that every major industrial leap in history had state backing. Railways, aviation, nuclear power, internet. The question isn't did he use it but did he deliver; and yes he did and decisively so. The "very bright engineers" were also successful in their own right and were rewarded accordingly. True, but repeating the past doesn’t mean it’s right. Society is picking up the environmental and societal negatives that industry ignores or creates with the wealth concentrated in rising amounts in fewer hands, and its users or governments increasingly indebted. Musk uses X poisoning minds and government has to pick up the pieces. We ought to be better than our forebears? NASA didn’t pick SpaceX out of charity. They went with them because the others were too slow and too expensive. Tesla paid back its 2010 government loan early, with interest, so the taxpayer actually made money. Most of the risk was Musk’s. SpaceX was landing reusable rockets long after the NASA seed money ran out. Tesla nearly went bankrupt building the Model 3. If those bets failed, he was the one wiped out. The upside was public. Tesla’s share scheme turned thousands of engineers into millionaires. Starlink now gets broadband to rural schools and disaster zones. Reusable rockets have slashed launch costs by over 80 percent, which means more climate satellites and university projects get a ride. People blame X for poisoning minds, but you can say that about any platform. It’s also where you see live war footage and open debate without a middleman. And when things go wrong, governments are the first to fire up Starlink. New wealth shows up when you build new industries. Before Tesla, electric cars were a joke. Before SpaceX, America was buying seats on Russian rockets. In the UK, the impact’s pretty direct. Starlink connects parts of Wales, Scotland and the North that still can’t get decent fibre. The NHS and _ountain rescue use it. Tesla’s put in 1400 plus Superchargers, most now open to any EV, and built grid-scale batteries that keep the lights on. SpaceX launches British satellites for a fraction of the old price. And when there’s a crisis, government alerts still go out on X first. Indeed we should be better than our forebears. Repaid loans, cheaper access to space, clean transport at scale, rural broadband, and a more stable grid is better. That’s what delivering looks like, it's the way forward. I appreciate your civility and considered counter arguments. Something sits uncomfortably with me that for 10% of thos a man can live without a financial care in the world yet it’s not enough. Since Elon can buy ‘happiness’ in spades I am suspicious of his motives, or the motives of any human that has infinite greed. Is it infinite power he seeks because it’s for sale in the US? Fair point that it sits uncomfortably. Most of us hit a number where we’d stop. But if Musk’s happiness is measured in seeing Starship land on Mars, then his 10% wouldn’t buy that. That doesn’t prove his motives are pure, but it does mean enough depends on what you’re trying to buy. If it is power he’s after, we’ll see it in what he actually does with it. Having seen his reckless DOGE adventure I’m not sure I want to wait and see. I think he has lost touch with humanity. And this is facilitated by America. He is the endgame of capitalism - the ultimate accumulation of wealth - then what? Capitalism, meet authoritarianism Clearly we have no meeting of minds as I watch ultimate wealth corrupt ultimately I can see where you’re coming from. Although we’re clearly starting from very different perspectives and first principles on capitalism and wealth. I don’t think Musk is the endgame of anything yet, but I get why the DOGE rollout made you disillusioned. It was indeed messy, fell short of its trillion-dollar goal, and the heavy-handed way it was done rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way. Thanks, I appreciate the decent discussion. " Having seen and experienced (and observed from the inside) how politicians really don’t get good government, the idea of demonising and chucking aside civil servants is an easy fix. There’s no such thing as small government, only effective or dead-handed government | |||
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"And don’t forget Bill Gates. He has given millions to worthwhile causes. " Also don’t forget Carnegie - almost every town in England and Scotland has a library, school or public hall with his name on it. | |||
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"It should be illegal for so few people to own so much wealth . No money to fund NHS, no money to improve policing or education, no money to cover farmers costs, no money for free university education …. It’s allllllllll sitting in Musks bank account that’s why . Disgusting" Not sure why a US citizen should be responsible for funding the UK NHS. | |||
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"His earnt it Good luck to him" Earned it? You’re joking! “Misappropriated” from the backs of millions of workers. (Sitewon’t let me use the word I wanted to use) | |||
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"I dont think its jealousy its more concern about the power it gives rich people over the lives of everyone else." That doesn’t change because he’s gone from billionaire to trillionaire. | |||
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"Lot of jealousy on here. " Indeed, it's quite clear and there's a noticeable pattern: when critique shifts from entrepreneurial systems to the people who've succeeded within them, you can strip away the layers and sometimes find an older impulse bubbling away underneath - not just concern with how disparity is produced, but a malignant discomfort that someone else should possess what they themselves are devoid of. | |||
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"$1,000,000,000,000.00 is what Musk may be worth today after SpaceX IPO That's 1/4 the UK national debt I don't own a tesla or starlink or rocket or stock. It's just wrong and way too much power. What do you think? Celebrate innovators or limit power? Very concerning and reminiscent of the insane power of rail road amd past oil majors. Star Wars. Love it but not if it's run by the Republic. " If that's a trillion, then what's Beckham worth? | |||
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And no it's not jealousy, it's anger. He could do so much good for the world but instead wants to play with rockets | |||
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"He took the risks so he should take the benefit, as long as he pays the tax of course " A rich person paying tax? Now there's a new one | |||
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"The irony of Musk’s amassed wealth is how deeply it offends people who think that he shouldn’t have it. The gall eats into their very souls. He risked his entire fortune twice and built companies the world said were impossible. On that alone, he’s earned every cent." Addendum:- Musk has also donated over $7.6 billion in Tesla stock to charity between 2021 and 2023, including $5.7 billion in a single year. His Musk Foundation funds renewable energy research, science education, pediatric research, and disaster relief. | |||
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"The irony of Musk’s amassed wealth is how deeply it offends people who think that he shouldn’t have it. The gall eats into their very souls. He risked his entire fortune twice and built companies the world said were impossible. On that alone, he’s earned every cent. Addendum:- Musk has also donated over $7.6 billion in Tesla stock to charity between 2021 and 2023, including $5.7 billion in a single year. His Musk Foundation funds renewable energy research, science education, pediatric research, and disaster relief. " If I’m not mistaken this is all tax deductible in the US so the relative cost to Musk is not felt, and it’s stock so its value could equally go down. | |||
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"The irony of Musk’s amassed wealth is how deeply it offends people who think that he shouldn’t have it. The gall eats into their very souls. He risked his entire fortune twice and built companies the world said were impossible. On that alone, he’s earned every cent. Addendum:- Musk has also donated over $7.6 billion in Tesla stock to charity between 2021 and 2023, including $5.7 billion in a single year. His Musk Foundation funds renewable energy research, science education, pediatric research, and disaster relief. If I’m not mistaken this is all tax deductible in the US so the relative cost to Musk is not felt, and it’s stock so its value could equally go down. " Oh no, you're certainly not mistaken. It is tax deductible, although the ironic thing about tax deductions is they require giving the money away first! $7.6 billion is still $7.6 billion donated to charitable causes that benefit millions around the globe! | |||
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"The irony of Musk’s amassed wealth is how deeply it offends people who think that he shouldn’t have it. The gall eats into their very souls. He risked his entire fortune twice and built companies the world said were impossible. On that alone, he’s earned every cent. Addendum:- Musk has also donated over $7.6 billion in Tesla stock to charity between 2021 and 2023, including $5.7 billion in a single year. His Musk Foundation funds renewable energy research, science education, pediatric research, and disaster relief. " I think a lot of people see him sat cross legged in a swivel egg chair, at a complex control centre, stroking a white cat on his lap. | |||
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"It’s abhorrent, but a portent of things to come . A world run by a handful of people, who own most of the World’s wealth .. " Someone once stated that their are only five hundred real people in the world, the rest are just disposable dross!  | |||
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"It's our own fault : we let it happen knowing exactly what was going on. George Orwell was prophesising not writing 🤔🤔🤔" true, he was a true visionary. | |||
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"He’s a trillionaire on paper only , I seen a women on fabswingers talking about this. She was saying it stupid because he’s only doing rockets nothing new we’ve had rockets since the 60s lmao . First off he’s created a new type of engine, the first ever reusable rocket cutting costs down. Created unbelievable solar power house roof and panels and battery packs, space based satellite internet. The boring company , Tesla which isn’t just a act company it’s a tech company, he’s now doing space based data centres for everything asking that it’s only going to be powered by the solar power of the sun. Meaning we’re headed towards Kardashev Scale type 1. He’s created humanoid robots with Tesla which are going into full scale production . He’s building the worlds biggest research a development plant factory for creating new chips instead of it only being nvidia which takes years upon years to build chips as it has to move it from factory’s around the world - Like these - Tesla AI chips: Hardware designed to run Full Self-Driving (FSD) and power Optimus humanoid robots. Space-compute chips: Processors built to handle massive data operations while tolerating the intense radiation of orbit and deep space. Quantum-AI hybrid chips: Ultra-powerful processors designed to train massive AI models and simulate complex physical systems. I think he’s earned every penny. He’s helping people , he gives to charity , he outs corruption, he just a little weird because he’s autistic. He spends what little free time with his girlfriend which is an open relationship, but he shags women , and plays his geeky online simulator game. He even sold all his houses and lived in a box house for 8 years living in the space x land where he also build every worker a house , built a school with the best teacher the world can buy so workers can have they’re kids be educated properly. From going public with space x he also created working class welders with company shares from the start of space x that Elon was going broke at the time gave them company shares as compensation for a low wage. Everyone of them workers now are set for life, all millionaires or nearly millionaires. " I'm hoping your tongue is in your cheek ? | |||
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"He’s a trillionaire on paper only , I seen a women on fabswingers talking about this. She was saying it stupid because he’s only doing rockets nothing new we’ve had rockets since the 60s lmao . First off he’s created a new type of engine, the first ever reusable rocket cutting costs down. Created unbelievable solar power house roof and panels and battery packs, space based satellite internet. The boring company , Tesla which isn’t just a act company it’s a tech company, he’s now doing space based data centres for everything asking that it’s only going to be powered by the solar power of the sun. Meaning we’re headed towards Kardashev Scale type 1. He’s created humanoid robots with Tesla which are going into full scale production . He’s building the worlds biggest research a development plant factory for creating new chips instead of it only being nvidia which takes years upon years to build chips as it has to move it from factory’s around the world - Like these - Tesla AI chips: Hardware designed to run Full Self-Driving (FSD) and power Optimus humanoid robots. Space-compute chips: Processors built to handle massive data operations while tolerating the intense radiation of orbit and deep space. Quantum-AI hybrid chips: Ultra-powerful processors designed to train massive AI models and simulate complex physical systems. I think he’s earned every penny. He’s helping people , he gives to charity , he outs corruption, he just a little weird because he’s autistic. He spends what little free time with his girlfriend which is an open relationship, but he shags women , and plays his geeky online simulator game. He even sold all his houses and lived in a box house for 8 years living in the space x land where he also build every worker a house , built a school with the best teacher the world can buy so workers can have they’re kids be educated properly. From going public with space x he also created working class welders with company shares from the start of space x that Elon was going broke at the time gave them company shares as compensation for a low wage. Everyone of them workers now are set for life, all millionaires or nearly millionaires. I'm hoping your tongue is in your cheek ?" What that supposed to mean mate ??? | |||
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"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PZEH1NxbyCk" ahh yes the pie man he’s a fool , he’s as woke and lost as most people lmao | |||
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"Man achieves something of his life = terrible person? - someone has to be the “richest” You don’t have to like him to admire him " Why does anyone need to admire him? | |||
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"He’s a trillionaire on paper only , I seen a women on fabswingers talking about this. She was saying it stupid because he’s only doing rockets nothing new we’ve had rockets since the 60s lmao . First off he’s created a new type of engine, the first ever reusable rocket cutting costs down. Created unbelievable solar power house roof and panels and battery packs, space based satellite internet. The boring company , Tesla which isn’t just a act company it’s a tech company, he’s now doing space based data centres for everything asking that it’s only going to be powered by the solar power of the sun. Meaning we’re headed towards Kardashev Scale type 1. He’s created humanoid robots with Tesla which are going into full scale production . He’s building the worlds biggest research a development plant factory for creating new chips instead of it only being nvidia which takes years upon years to build chips as it has to move it from factory’s around the world - Like these - Tesla AI chips: Hardware designed to run Full Self-Driving (FSD) and power Optimus humanoid robots. Space-compute chips: Processors built to handle massive data operations while tolerating the intense radiation of orbit and deep space. Quantum-AI hybrid chips: Ultra-powerful processors designed to train massive AI models and simulate complex physical systems. I think he’s earned every penny. He’s helping people , he gives to charity , he outs corruption, he just a little weird because he’s autistic. He spends what little free time with his girlfriend which is an open relationship, but he shags women , and plays his geeky online simulator game. He even sold all his houses and lived in a box house for 8 years living in the space x land where he also build every worker a house , built a school with the best teacher the world can buy so workers can have they’re kids be educated properly. From going public with space x he also created working class welders with company shares from the start of space x that Elon was going broke at the time gave them company shares as compensation for a low wage. Everyone of them workers now are set for life, all millionaires or nearly millionaires. I'm hoping your tongue is in your cheek ? What that supposed to mean mate ??? " That trickle down economics is largely a work of fiction. He could pay all of those workers he’s ‘created’ millions a year each and still not even dent his worth. | |||
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"$1,000,000,000,000.00 is what Musk may be worth today after SpaceX IPO That's 1/4 the UK national debt I don't own a tesla or starlink or rocket or stock. It's just wrong and way too much power. What do you think? Celebrate innovators or limit power? Very concerning and reminiscent of the insane power of rail road amd past oil majors. Star Wars. Love it but not if it's run by the Republic. " Musk wasn't the one who innovated. | |||
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"Musk wasn't the one who innovated. " He’s just a very savvy investor. Which is a lot easier to get a start when your family are already wealthy. | |||
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