 | Back to forum list |
| Back to The Lounge |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Depends .. if you want to work travel and live freely in 26 other countries then you probably would love to rejoin. But realistically its not up to the UK to decide .. its up to the EU to let the UK back in. And they would likely say FO." Well chances are there would have to be a referendum and if Return won then our government would have to plead our case. I rather think the EU would welcome us back since we were a 'giving nation' rather than a 'taking nation'. However it would be very much on the EUs terms and without a strong PM--like Mrs Thatcher--I imagine our lot would make too many concessions and we could end up worse off. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Should never or left, absolutely should we rejoin. Just look at the damage to our economy. The number of very talented Europeans who left the NHS. The loss of opportunities for anyone looking to work or study across Europe. The glee that Putin had when we announced Brexit. It's a no brainer and we are better off being closer partners with our European neighbours. " A a Sovereign Nation, strange the late Queen thought it a bad idea to leave 🤔 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Do you think we should rejoin the EU Yes or No All arguments for or against are welcome guys " We never actually joined in the first place, we joined the EEC (common market) which morphed into the EU, but the UK kept out of a lot of the EU policies (the Euro for example). So at the referendum we were asked if we would like to stay in or leave an organisation that we didn't join in the first place!! Different money, free movement of people and goods never happened. (think why am I presenting my passport when I went to Spain when we were supposed to be in the EU?). Biggest scandal for decades. Never go back only go forward, oh and to point out geographically the UK isn't in Europe thats over the water, look at your old maps. Long live Blighty  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The UK joined the EEC... an economic community and a good idea. By stealth and driven by Germany and France it became the European Union- a completely undemocratic entity with a de facto open borders policy... so best to stay out of it." I seem to remember that the UK joined a common market, to make all countries equal when trading in europe. The control by Europe including a European parliament came later | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Do you think we should rejoin the EU Yes or No All arguments for or against are welcome guys " They won’t let you back so no point to discuss | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Do you think we should rejoin the EU Yes or No All arguments for or against are welcome guys They won’t let you back so no point to discuss" But it’s getting discussed as you can clearly see | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The UK joined the EEC... an economic community and a good idea. By stealth and driven by Germany and France it became the European Union- a completely undemocratic entity with a de facto open borders policy... so best to stay out of it. I seem to remember that the UK joined a common market, to make all countries equal when trading in europe. The control by Europe including a European parliament came later " I think your right the aim of cross boarder trade and cooperation being to valuable to ever countenance a war again is an excellent basis for a union. Instead we have a federation rather closer to USA developing and that's neither a good idea nor conducive to the original purpose. We should be in. All in. Not in a bit as a proxy for USA. But equally we need to push for a reform which would see the asset stripping of Greece and the corporate corruption ed out root and branch. As we are abjectly failing to do that at home I'm not sure what chance we'd have in European union?!? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Do you think we should rejoin the EU Yes or No All arguments for or against are welcome guys They won’t let you back so no point to discuss But it’s getting discussed as you can clearly see " I get it, but what's the point of discussing something that's not even an option? It's like arguing over something that's never going to happen. If they just want to dream, that's a whole different story. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We should never have left. Many of the reasons people voted for it were half-truths. It cost businesses enormous amounts of money, that can only be recouped by rising prices. Going back into it will be worse than it ever was. It will cost companies more money, to re-brand and re-comply with EU regulations. All the suppliers they lost. And U.K. will just end up being everyone’s bitch. We will never be allowed to join again on an equal footing to how we left. " This is the closest to what I also believe to be the situation. We have blown it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Depends .. if you want to work travel and live freely in 26 other countries then you probably would love to rejoin. But realistically its not up to the UK to decide .. its up to the EU to let the UK back in. And they would likely say FO." Maybe - An awful lot of people in EU were glad to see the back of UK who was nonstop asking for special deals. Even if they let UK back in it for sure will NEVER be on the same terms as the first time around - no 'special deal' of any kind to be expected. As for 'sovereignty' in today’s world please stop making me laugh. A nice fairy tale very good for domestic consumption – ask The Nigel if don’t believe me. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Now we are out, we should stay out, and do much more to make Brexit work to its fullest,which so far the establishment have failed to do. If we were to beg to go back in they would sting us for billions and make us give up our own currency and the right to set our own interest rates, in revenge for us having left. Best to stay as we are and do a better job of having our own sovereignty " Hasn't the penny dropped after 10 years? A good form of Brexit doesnt exist. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Going back in needs a party to endorse it in their manifesto. That party then needs to win power. The big mistake with Brexit was not knowing the terms of leaving up front. We can't make the same mistake. If we vote to rejoin we need to know the cost per year, the likely veto situation from Spain etc, the currency we have to use. " I agree. At the moment the Libdems are the only party openly advocating re-join and they are not likely to win a general election. There success in 2024 was more a protest vote in areas where it was a choice between them and the Conservatives. I rather think the EU would welcome us back but very much on their terms. Plus re-joining could easily take as long as leaving did with all the negotiation needed. I think Cameron called for the 2016 referendum mainly to quell the rise of UKIP [Faragite Party Mark 1] and because he was convinced the Remain side would win. Must admit I was shocked when the result was announced. I doubt an 'oven ready' deal could be struck before a new referendum or guaranteed it would be adhered to. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Going back in needs a party to endorse it in their manifesto. That party then needs to win power. The big mistake with Brexit was not knowing the terms of leaving up front. We can't make the same mistake. If we vote to rejoin we need to know the cost per year, the likely veto situation from Spain etc, the currency we have to use. " That would be a good starting point instead we have starmer ignoring the vote and signing us up to eu deals and programs that will and are costing millions . | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The big mistake with Brexit was not knowing the terms of leaving up front. We can't make the same mistake. If we vote to rejoin we need to know the cost per year, the likely veto situation from Spain etc, the currency we have to use. " I did wonder that at the time in 2016. I was asked to chair a debate where the 'leave' speaker was an MP and the Remain' speaker a former parliamentary candidate. Both put up good argument. However the meeting was poorly attended and some of the question a bit stupid as some clearly had not been listening or not understood. Wonder how many really read and understood the for and against leaflets or listened to the TV debates. A lot of people had pre-conceived ideas or just listened to the Farag's soundbites without knowing the full consequences. A bit like a lot of those who support Reform at the moment. They only hear the 'stop the boats' message and ignore all the stuff about the NHS, workers rights, human rights, where all the money is coming from for the 'giveaways' etc etc. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" And ever wondered why tens of thousands of people with Irish ancestry are applying for Irish passports .. to regain the freedom they once had within the EU. Freedom to work travel and live freely in those countries should outweigh any other reason for not wanting to rejoin." Exactly what one couple I know did . The wife got her EU passport through her Irish ancestry, and now they're retired and living their dream in Spain , currently looking for their second home, whil everyone else around them has to return home after their allocated time is up. I'd say they've got the best deal.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m guessing you didn’t take the opportunity to vote for your MEP then did you?" ... ... Who are you addressing? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Now we are out, we should stay out, and do much more to make Brexit work to its fullest,which so far the establishment have failed to do. If we were to beg to go back in they would sting us for billions and make us give up our own currency and the right to set our own interest rates, in revenge for us having left. Best to stay as we are and do a better job of having our own sovereignty " But what? The only thing left to do is to lower the standards in health, food safety, environment, employment and safety. Thats what they want to do to “ enjoy the benefits” Didn’t everyone promise we would t lower our standards? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"My father was a Spanish citizen when I was born in the UK. My EU Spanish passport is my most valuable possession which I acquired after Brexit. It gives me the unrestricted freedom to live work and travel in 26 more countries than someone with a Brexit blue passport. And ever wondered why tens of thousands of people with Irish ancestry are applying for Irish passports .. to regain the freedom they once had within the EU. Freedom to work travel and live freely in those countries should outweigh any other reason for not wanting to rejoin. Future generations were punished by the generally older Brexit voters .. taking away their freedoms." Ok, so why don't the EU restore that freedom to UK citizens? Hear me out in this one... Many argue that immigration is needed both to the UK and the EU. Surely the way forward is to allow free travel rather than allow migration from outside of Europe? Relax the UK/EU border but strengthen external borders. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"My father was a Spanish citizen when I was born in the UK. My EU Spanish passport is my most valuable possession which I acquired after Brexit. It gives me the unrestricted freedom to live work and travel in 26 more countries than someone with a Brexit blue passport. And ever wondered why tens of thousands of people with Irish ancestry are applying for Irish passports .. to regain the freedom they once had within the EU. Freedom to work travel and live freely in those countries should outweigh any other reason for not wanting to rejoin. Future generations were punished by the generally older Brexit voters .. taking away their freedoms. Ok, so why don't the EU restore that freedom to UK citizens? Hear me out in this one... Many argue that immigration is needed both to the UK and the EU. Surely the way forward is to allow free travel rather than allow migration from outside of Europe? Relax the UK/EU border but strengthen external borders." | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"My father was a Spanish citizen when I was born in the UK. My EU Spanish passport is my most valuable possession which I acquired after Brexit. It gives me the unrestricted freedom to live work and travel in 26 more countries than someone with a Brexit blue passport. And ever wondered why tens of thousands of people with Irish ancestry are applying for Irish passports .. to regain the freedom they once had within the EU. Freedom to work travel and live freely in those countries should outweigh any other reason for not wanting to rejoin. Future generations were punished by the generally older Brexit voters .. taking away their freedoms. Ok, so why don't the EU restore that freedom to UK citizens? Hear me out in this one... Many argue that immigration is needed both to the UK and the EU. Surely the way forward is to allow free travel rather than allow migration from outside of Europe? Relax the UK/EU border but strengthen external borders." The UK citizens voted to lose their right to travel work and live freely in the EU. Why do you now expect tbe EU to reinstate that right? British arrogance at play .. why do you expect to be treated differently from any other 3rd country outside of the EU. No cherry picking of the bits of the club you like. Voters made their bed .. learn to lie in it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We should never have left. Many of the reasons people voted for it were half-truths. It cost businesses enormous amounts of money, that can only be recouped by rising prices. Going back into it will be worse than it ever was. It will cost companies more money, to re-brand and re-comply with EU regulations. All the suppliers they lost. And U.K. will just end up being everyone’s bitch. We will never be allowed to join again on an equal footing to how we left. " We had a great deal when we were in and we threw that away. We would never get that again and sadly we as a country never knew about the benefits of membership. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I have yet to see a benefit of Brexit. The key selling points of Brexit 1 Regaining Sovereignty, and losing free travel around Europe seems counterproductive. 2 A Deal with Europe regarding trade, this hasn’t happened and prices have steadily increased. Small traders simply cannot now export to the EU 3 Reduce immigration, this has increased. A strong external EU border would be better for the U.K.. 4 The instigators have done quite well, some have even had bonus payments. 5 Have any major Laws actually been changed?" Your point no.3. We were in the Dublin accord as EU members which meant we could send illegal migrants back to the Calais Camp. We left the Dublin Accord and now we cannot. The Brexit vote took us out of the Dublin Agreement. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Bit like the Brittania Music Club , once you have managed to leave , what the f would you ever consider rejoining. Maybe have a referendum in about 45 years …" I believe it's called a democracy.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Now we are out, we should stay out, and do much more to make Brexit work to its fullest,which so far the establishment have failed to do. If we were to beg to go back in they would sting us for billions and make us give up our own currency and the right to set our own interest rates, in revenge for us having left. Best to stay as we are and do a better job of having our own sovereignty " Do we set our own interest rates or do we respond to global events over which we have no control. The recent events between Israel USA and Iran have ramped up global inflation and the B of England will probably have to raise interest rates. Now we have "sovereignty" and are an independent nation what is your advice on interest rates for the coming 12 months? Miss Smith 💋💋💋 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
