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"Such a bill was recently rejected in the Scottish Parliament following a febrile debate. Had I been an MSP (sic) I would have voted in favour." 👍 | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. " Agreed | |||
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"Very much for it, and it's also about time we stopped Christian and other religious groups from having a say in the matter. Likewise abortions, it's none of their business." Well said 👏 | |||
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"Yes, definitely. I've seen too many loved ones die in pain." Yep my Gran springs to mind it was absolutely heartbreaking to sit next to her and hold her hand when she was begging to be let go and pain free 😞 No loved one should have to suffer like that especially when you can’t do anything to help them it’s so heartbreaking to go through for all concerned | |||
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"Do you think members of the Royal Family suffer a prolonged departure ??" Well a few have had their heads chopped off, normally leading to a quick death. | |||
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"That song in the year 2055 in the whole sang it ." If you mean 'In the Year 2525', you're 470 years early. | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. " totally agree | |||
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"Of course we should be allowed to. We don’t, well most of us don’t, allow our pets to suffer and that’s how it should be for us as well 🙂" Exactly what I said about my dad, if he was a dog we would have put him down a long time ago 🤣 | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. " The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. " If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes " But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. " It’s doing what is right for the pet in question | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. It’s doing what is right for the pet in question " No use that same scenario but for your relative. They have incurable disease and the doctor turns to you and says "it's time to put them down, it's your decision, not theirs, yours." The person in question as no choice it's in your hands. It'll be seen as abuse in the eyes of humans. | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. It’s doing what is right for the pet in question No use that same scenario but for your relative. They have incurable disease and the doctor turns to you and says "it's time to put them down, it's your decision, not theirs, yours." The person in question as no choice it's in your hands. It'll be seen as abuse in the eyes of humans." Well if it was a loved of mine lying in a hospital bed suffering in unimaginable pain with no chance of recovery then I’d give the decision to let them go peacefully instead of watching them continue to suffer And if it was me lying there in the same position then I’d hope my loved ones would do the same for me No loved one should ever have to suffer in pain and no loved one should ever witness a loved one suffering | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. It’s doing what is right for the pet in question No use that same scenario but for your relative. They have incurable disease and the doctor turns to you and says "it's time to put them down, it's your decision, not theirs, yours." The person in question as no choice it's in your hands. It'll be seen as abuse in the eyes of humans. Well if it was a loved of mine lying in a hospital bed suffering in unimaginable pain with no chance of recovery then I’d give the decision to let them go peacefully instead of watching them continue to suffer And if it was me lying there in the same position then I’d hope my loved ones would do the same for me No loved one should ever have to suffer in pain and no loved one should ever witness a loved one suffering " This is the exact thing this bill doesn't protect. "Sorry grandma, ya times up off ya go" The only person who has that decision is the one who is suffering not relatives or random people. This bill will abused because relatives believe it's another person's time to go. | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. It’s doing what is right for the pet in question No use that same scenario but for your relative. They have incurable disease and the doctor turns to you and says "it's time to put them down, it's your decision, not theirs, yours." The person in question as no choice it's in your hands. It'll be seen as abuse in the eyes of humans. Well if it was a loved of mine lying in a hospital bed suffering in unimaginable pain with no chance of recovery then I’d give the decision to let them go peacefully instead of watching them continue to suffer And if it was me lying there in the same position then I’d hope my loved ones would do the same for me No loved one should ever have to suffer in pain and no loved one should ever witness a loved one suffering This is the exact thing this bill doesn't protect. "Sorry grandma, ya times up off ya go" The only person who has that decision is the one who is suffering not relatives or random people. This bill will abused because relatives believe it's another person's time to go." So sit back and watch that relative continue to suffer 🤦🏻 Aye that’s the way 👍 | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. It’s doing what is right for the pet in question No use that same scenario but for your relative. They have incurable disease and the doctor turns to you and says "it's time to put them down, it's your decision, not theirs, yours." The person in question as no choice it's in your hands. It'll be seen as abuse in the eyes of humans. Well if it was a loved of mine lying in a hospital bed suffering in unimaginable pain with no chance of recovery then I’d give the decision to let them go peacefully instead of watching them continue to suffer And if it was me lying there in the same position then I’d hope my loved ones would do the same for me No loved one should ever have to suffer in pain and no loved one should ever witness a loved one suffering This is the exact thing this bill doesn't protect. "Sorry grandma, ya times up off ya go" The only person who has that decision is the one who is suffering not relatives or random people. This bill will abused because relatives believe it's another person's time to go. So sit back and watch that relative continue to suffer 🤦🏻 Aye that’s the way 👍" If that's what they wish then thats how it goes. If you don't it will lead down a path of eugenics and we left that in the 20th century | |||
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"We do this for our pets, where is the quality in watching a loved one spend months in pain that is only numbed by morphine, and having that dose increased until they become catatonic and drowning in their own secretions. In end stage with no chance of a U-turn this option should be available. You don't have to take it, but it's there if you need it. The problem with the pet argument is that WE decide not the pet. You may think your doing a kind thing but how do you know the pet doesn't wanna fight or they wanna see out their days on by their rules. If you know your pet then you will know when the time is right it’s all in the eyes But your still making the decision for them. It's not assisted dying it's a pure execution. Im not saying it's not from kindness but trying to relate the two is not eligible. It’s doing what is right for the pet in question No use that same scenario but for your relative. They have incurable disease and the doctor turns to you and says "it's time to put them down, it's your decision, not theirs, yours." The person in question as no choice it's in your hands. It'll be seen as abuse in the eyes of humans. Well if it was a loved of mine lying in a hospital bed suffering in unimaginable pain with no chance of recovery then I’d give the decision to let them go peacefully instead of watching them continue to suffer And if it was me lying there in the same position then I’d hope my loved ones would do the same for me No loved one should ever have to suffer in pain and no loved one should ever witness a loved one suffering This is the exact thing this bill doesn't protect. "Sorry grandma, ya times up off ya go" The only person who has that decision is the one who is suffering not relatives or random people. This bill will abused because relatives believe it's another person's time to go. So sit back and watch that relative continue to suffer 🤦🏻 Aye that’s the way 👍 If that's what they wish then thats how it goes. If you don't it will lead down a path of eugenics and we left that in the 20th century" So you would happily sit by a loved one’s bedside for days possibly weeks on end watching them suffer in pain known fine well there is no cure and no chance of recovery?? Or you could have the decision end their suffering and let them go peacefully. I could be wrong but I think most would choose to let them go peacefully I know I would and nothing will ever change my opinion | |||
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"Yes 100%. My life. My choice " Exactly 👍 | |||
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"Yes 100%. My life. My choice Exactly 👍 " disagree when your gone your gone it who you leave behind to deal with it you have to think about .its not all about you xx | |||
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"Yes 100%. My life. My choice Exactly 👍 disagree when your gone your gone it who you leave behind to deal with it you have to think about .its not all about you xx " I understand that but surely your family wouldn’t want to see you suffer | |||
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"No and I wouldn't want them to. But when all said and done I'm dead they have to live with it and the mind is a very complicated thing. Just imagine some do gooder approaching one of your family with the comments shame on you your not god where there's life there's hope. Bit like anti abortion types, if you get my drift xx " I understand which is why I’d give the one person I know would be strong enough to deal with the decision Respect your opinion and views by the way this is why I started the thread as it’s interesting to hear what people think | |||
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"No and I wouldn't want them to. But when all said and done I'm dead they have to live with it and the mind is a very complicated thing. Just imagine some do gooder approaching one of your family with the comments shame on you your not god where there's life there's hope. Bit like anti abortion types, if you get my drift xx I understand which is why I’d give the one person I know would be strong enough to deal with the decision Respect your opinion and views by the way this is why I started the thread as it’s interesting to hear what people think " yeah not in any way trying tj offend just debating. Its a difficult one me personally if I was diagnosed with terminal illness I would find a nice way to do it myself. But of course that's not always the way. If for instance you had a bad accident and was in a coma you can't make the call great post by the way xx | |||
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"No and I wouldn't want them to. But when all said and done I'm dead they have to live with it and the mind is a very complicated thing. Just imagine some do gooder approaching one of your family with the comments shame on you your not god where there's life there's hope. Bit like anti abortion types, if you get my drift xx I understand which is why I’d give the one person I know would be strong enough to deal with the decision Respect your opinion and views by the way this is why I started the thread as it’s interesting to hear what people think yeah not in any way trying tj offend just debating. Its a difficult one me personally if I was diagnosed with terminal illness I would find a nice way to do it myself. But of course that's not always the way. If for instance you had a bad accident and was in a coma you can't make the call great post by the way xx " Respect to you for your views and I fully understand and appreciate them it’s nice to see people’s views on the matter and good that everyone can have a view without it turning toxic x | |||
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"No and I wouldn't want them to. But when all said and done I'm dead they have to live with it and the mind is a very complicated thing. Just imagine some do gooder approaching one of your family with the comments shame on you your not god where there's life there's hope. Bit like anti abortion types, if you get my drift xx I understand which is why I’d give the one person I know would be strong enough to deal with the decision Respect your opinion and views by the way this is why I started the thread as it’s interesting to hear what people think yeah not in any way trying tj offend just debating. Its a difficult one me personally if I was diagnosed with terminal illness I would find a nice way to do it myself. But of course that's not always the way. If for instance you had a bad accident and was in a coma you can't make the call great post by the way xx Respect to you for your views and I fully understand and appreciate them it’s nice to see people’s views on the matter and good that everyone can have a view without it turning toxic x "  good night handsome man xx | |||
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"No and I wouldn't want them to. But when all said and done I'm dead they have to live with it and the mind is a very complicated thing. Just imagine some do gooder approaching one of your family with the comments shame on you your not god where there's life there's hope. Bit like anti abortion types, if you get my drift xx I understand which is why I’d give the one person I know would be strong enough to deal with the decision Respect your opinion and views by the way this is why I started the thread as it’s interesting to hear what people think yeah not in any way trying tj offend just debating. Its a difficult one me personally if I was diagnosed with terminal illness I would find a nice way to do it myself. But of course that's not always the way. If for instance you had a bad accident and was in a coma you can't make the call great post by the way xx Respect to you for your views and I fully understand and appreciate them it’s nice to see people’s views on the matter and good that everyone can have a view without it turning toxic x good night handsome man xx "Goodnight x | |||
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"Should the Uk legalise assisted dying for terminally ill adults? " Having applied much thought to the question, I'm not convinced that assisted dying is the moral and ethical way of dealing with the best interests of terminally ill people. It is a highly complex question and not one that can be answered with a clear cut "yes" or "no". The total focus has to be on the patient’s physical and mental welfare. As regards palliative care, the emphasis and focus at this stage must be on investing in the research and development of improving palliative care before the question of assisted dying can even be properly considered. We do not yet have universal access to high quality end-of-life care, and until we do, we cannot make a fair judgement about alternatives. If pain, anxiety and distress can be properly managed through medical care, support and compassion, then nature should be allowed to take its course. I am also deeply concerned about the responsibility that assisted dying would place on doctors. Their prime role is to care and to heal, not to end life. I also do not believe any set of safeguards can fully prevent vulnerable people from feeling pressured, whether that pressure is overt or subtle. The question of convenience for family or carers should not be a factor at all. I understand why people want choice and dignity at the end of life. But protecting patients and maintaining trust in healthcare has to come first. Invest in palliative care, get it right for everyone, and only then revisit the debate. | |||
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"In theory yes ...but knowing how us British treat their senior citizens I,d be very wary...." That is a crucial aspect for me too. | |||
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"Can you trust any government to manage such safeguards going on past records of both cons and labour " Quite! Yet another important aspect too! To reiterate my earlier post, this is a highly complex and vitally important issue with no clear moral or ethical answer. So called "assisted dying" should be held in abeyance. The priority must be on improving palliative care so death remains free of human decision and a purely peaceful, natural process free of pain. | |||
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"Ten years ago my niece died. She was never the same after cancer treatment. My sister and brother in law were in Spain. The shock when they came home was unbearable. A toxic relationship with the son in law meant they didn't go to her funeral. Neither did their son who had moved away many years ago and didn't contact any of the family. 1st of April 2025 her husband died of cancer. Leaving her alone. 3 months after the cremation she got a letter from Southend on sea council in Essex. Informing her that her son had died in December 2024. As she cremated her husband her son was already dead. The council wanted the money her son had in the bank to pay for his funeral. She has lost her husband and children. Now she lays on the settee wasting away turning more and more yellow from a tumour in her small intestine. The Dr thinks that is a secondary cancer. She has been given months to live. Every day she says I've failed again. I woke up this morning. I just want to join my family. How much mental and physical torture can someone take. You can't make this shit up. Let her die with dignity and be in peace today if possible " I’m so sorry for what your family has gone through, and now for your sister facing her own fate, which is just unbearable. No one should have to carry that much grief and pain alone. I can understand how you must feel, and how much you just want peace for her, and for her to be with her family again. Let’s hope this part of her life is as pain-free and comfortable as possible, and that she gets all the care and support she needs and also that she finds the peace she truly deserves. Thanks for sharing. | |||
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"Can you trust any government to manage such safeguards going on past records of both cons and labour Quite! Yet another important aspect too! To reiterate my earlier post, this is a highly complex and vitally important issue with no clear moral or ethical answer. So called "assisted dying" should be held in abeyance. The priority must be on improving palliative care so death remains free of human decision and a purely peaceful, natural process free of pain." We already have slow euthenasia in the UK where patients gradually have their morphine dose increased even at the risk of hastening death, often without consent. Legalising euthenasia will put control back in the hands of the dying. | |||
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"Can you trust any government to manage such safeguards going on past records of both cons and labour Quite! Yet another important aspect too! To reiterate my earlier post, this is a highly complex and vitally important issue with no clear moral or ethical answer. So called "assisted dying" should be held in abeyance. The priority must be on improving palliative care so death remains free of human decision and a purely peaceful, natural process free of pain. We already have slow euthenasia in the UK where patients gradually have their morphine dose increased even at the risk of hastening death, often without consent. Legalising euthenasia will put control back in the hands of the dying." I've also been made aware of patients or their relatives having DNR forms thrust upon them in an effort to end lives that might otherwise be prolonged. This was prevalent during Covid and is becoming increasingly common. This country's healthcare system is already so fucked up i don't understand the objection to Voluntary Euthenasia. | |||
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"Palliative care is highly skilled and anyone on an end of life pathway will have discussed their TEP . Morphine isn’t just increased to dispatch the patient earlier, its use with others meds is to optimise pain control and distress. " That's how it's meant to work. | |||
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"Can you trust any government to manage such safeguards going on past records of both cons and labour Quite! Yet another important aspect too! To reiterate my earlier post, this is a highly complex and vitally important issue with no clear moral or ethical answer. So called "assisted dying" should be held in abeyance. The priority must be on improving palliative care so death remains free of human decision and a purely peaceful, natural process free of pain. We already have slow euthenasia in the UK where patients gradually have their morphine dose increased even at the risk of hastening death, often without consent. Legalising euthenasia will put control back in the hands of the dying. I've also been made aware of patients or their relatives having DNR forms thrust upon them in an effort to end lives that might otherwise be prolonged. This was prevalent during Covid and is becoming increasingly common. This country's healthcare system is already so fucked up i don't understand the objection to Voluntary Euthenasia." I completely understand what you’re saying about the DNRs. It was such a difficult time and some people were put in really awful positions. I had to face that personally with an aging parent whom I was very close to. I think that’s why I feel torn on voluntary euthanasia. I want people to have choice and to be free from suffering, but I also worry when the system is under so much pressure. It’s a huge dilemma with no straight answer and so many differing opinions. Personally, I’m still of the opinion that only nature itself should decide, with the support of precise, pain-free palliative care that focuses totally on the welfare of the patient. Thank you for sharing your perspective too DannyDanielle. It’s a vitally important issue and I honestly feel that the powers that be in SW1 are insufficiently qualified to address it either morally or ethically. | |||
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