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"Westminster has said no to another independence referendum. 2014 was a clear 45% for independence. Since then things have changed and a lot more people are eligible to vote and lots of people have died. Do you think we are being held to ransom and treated unfairly on this vote whether your a YES or NO voter. " I think Sturgeon and her greedy husband have buggered that up for a long time now. If course, she had no idea he was doing anything wrong | |||
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"Westminster has said no to another independence referendum. 2014 was a clear 45% for independence. Since then things have changed and a lot more people are eligible to vote and lots of people have died. Do you think we are being held to ransom and treated unfairly on this vote whether your a YES or NO voter. I think Sturgeon and her greedy husband have buggered that up for a long time now. If course, she had no idea he was doing anything wrong " Irrelevant. It was my money and I'm still Yes. Utterly despise the Union. | |||
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"Westminster has said no to another independence referendum. 2014 was a clear 45% for independence. Since then things have changed and a lot more people are eligible to vote and lots of people have died. Do you think we are being held to ransom and treated unfairly on this vote whether your a YES or NO voter. I think Sturgeon and her greedy husband have buggered that up for a long time now. If course, she had no idea he was doing anything wrong Irrelevant. It was my money and I'm still Yes. Utterly despise the Union." Good luck. | |||
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"Seems as if the SNP will keep wanting referendums until they get the result they want, that's not democracy, it's bullying. If they lose another referendum what will be the excuse for a third? " Just democracy. Too many on here are hostile to the concept. New voters added, deceased voters deleted = revised voting population. Pretty basic though fundamental concept, really. Not hard to grasp. | |||
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"Seems as if the SNP will keep wanting referendums until they get the result they want, that's not democracy, it's bullying. If they lose another referendum what will be the excuse for a third? Just democracy. Too many on here are hostile to the concept. New voters added, deceased voters deleted = revised voting population. Pretty basic though fundamental concept, really. Not hard to grasp." You make a VAST assumption in taking it for granted that everyone who is added will be a 'Yes' supporter. Talking to a younger generation many of them are very much against another referendum. Don't hold your breath! | |||
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"Seems as if the SNP will keep wanting referendums until they get the result they want, that's not democracy, it's bullying. If they lose another referendum what will be the excuse for a third? Just democracy. Too many on here are hostile to the concept. New voters added, deceased voters deleted = revised voting population. Pretty basic though fundamental concept, really. Not hard to grasp. You make a VAST assumption in taking it for granted that everyone who is added will be a 'Yes' supporter. Talking to a younger generation many of them are very much against another referendum. Don't hold your breath!" I made NO such assumption and there is NOTHING in my posts to indicate as such; absolutely nothing which might allow you to make such a projection on my behalf. Behave yourself! | |||
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"Westminster has said no to another independence referendum. 2014 was a clear 45% for independence. Since then things have changed and a lot more people are eligible to vote and lots of people have died. Do you think we are being held to ransom and treated unfairly on this vote whether your a YES or NO voter. I think Sturgeon and her greedy husband have buggered that up for a long time now. If course, she had no idea he was doing anything wrong Irrelevant. It was my money and I'm still Yes. Utterly despise the Union." Do ye, Aye | |||
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"No, SNP even had less seats and less votes than the last election, so don't have a mandate to ask for one. Suppose if they keep letting in migrants that might seeing the vote. Anyway they have been terrible in government since they took over. NHS and education is poor, towns and cities run down, blame the UK government for everything that is wrong, but stil run to them for money" This is exactly the kind of ill-informed nonsense we don't need. The Scottish NHS may not be great, but it's out-performing the other three "home" nations, as is our education system. And yes, we welcome immigrants because most of us aren't racist/facist/uneducated. | |||
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"No, SNP even had less seats and less votes than the last election, so don't have a mandate to ask for one. Suppose if they keep letting in migrants that might seeing the vote. Anyway they have been terrible in government since they took over. NHS and education is poor, towns and cities run down, blame the UK government for everything that is wrong, but stil run to them for money This is exactly the kind of ill-informed nonsense we don't need. The Scottish NHS may not be great, but it's out-performing the other three "home" nations, as is our education system. And yes, we welcome immigrants because most of us aren't racist/facist/uneducated." | |||
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"Sadly, some really uninformed comments on this, in amongst the common sense. It's not about whether you're YES or NO, it's about the democratic process and the right of the people of a nation to determine their future. And, as an aside, like them or loathe them, the SNP didn't steal from anyone- they were the victims of the actions of one man. " Do you 100% genuinely think that no one else in the SNP knew there was an issue with their finances ? Surely not ?? | |||
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"The independence vote will constantly raise its head until it goes through,the yes voters can’t accept the people of this country already said no, that’s a democracy however I bet if they got independence you’d never get the chance to reverse it…..all we have now is whiskey and tourism can we really afford to go it alone….?" That's a ridiculous statement on so many levels. 65 countries have gained independence from "Britain". And guess how many have regretted it? Yes, none. | |||
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"She’s got independence she’s got a caravan " 'Typical' misinformation/disinformation! "She" is no longer relevant in Scottish politics. SHE never had a caravan, and said caravan is locked away in a police compound anyway  | |||
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"Quite agree, no mandate, NO vote, must be those uneducated snp voters who once again can't count. " Are you sure it's the SNP voters who lack an education? 🤔🙄 | |||
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"Westminster has said no to another independence referendum. 2014 was a clear 45% for independence. Since then things have changed and a lot more people are eligible to vote and lots of people have died. Do you think we are being held to ransom and treated unfairly on this vote whether your a YES or NO voter. " We're not being held to ransom. The first vote was unfair/distorted/manipulated IMO. It's unreasonable for the Westminster Government to hold a veto on this: the Scottish Government (accountable to the Scottish electorate) should be able to decide on this! Why are so many people ranting about independence when the question is not about that? 😏 | |||
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"The principle of self-determination is as important for countries as for individuals. Denial of that principle would make you a democracy-denying fascist and abuser. It is valid, although morally unsustainable, to want your country to be (mis)governed by another country. There is a term for such people. The principles of democracy would surely require regular ballots on this vital issue, just as much as for choosing a government. What's that you say? Now is not the time? Ha!" You can support Scottish independence without pretending Scotland is some unrepresented colony. Scots elect MPs to Westminster, elect MSPs to Holyrood, and have extensive devolved powers that many regions in Europe don’t have. Wanting independence is a political preference, not evidence of disenfranchisement. | |||
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"Yes; Lots of older servile, deferrenrial people have died, and lots of younger more educated people, with a bit of self respect have come on to the electoral roll." The SNP would bring the voting age down to 12 if they thought it would a few thousand votes more for indyref2! | |||
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"What they done just fucking tax tax us cant even have a happy hour in the fucking pub bunch of retards .Fuel the benefits system no wonder half the people don't want to work a lot better off on benefits. It used to be if didn't work you had fuck all as for independence maybe they will get what they wish for one day and be up shit creek without a paddle" ’ | |||
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"Welcome to Quisling Cuntry, where spineless cucks prefer to be ruled by another country which doesn't actually give a shit for them but loves plundering their resources. " 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 | |||
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"The principle of self-determination is as important for countries as for individuals. Denial of that principle would make you a democracy-denying fascist and abuser. It is valid, although morally unsustainable, to want your country to be (mis)governed by another country. There is a term for such people. The principles of democracy would surely require regular ballots on this vital issue, just as much as for choosing a government. What's that you say? Now is not the time? Ha!" We are in a Union, we’re are not governed by another country. We do have regular ballots, they are called General Elections! | |||
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"Welcome to Quisling Cuntry, where spineless cucks prefer to be ruled by another country which doesn't actually give a shit for them but loves plundering their resources. " 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 | |||
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"Westminster has said no to another independence referendum. 2014 was a clear 45% for independence. Since then things have changed and a lot more people are eligible to vote and lots of people have died. Do you think we are being held to ransom and treated unfairly on this vote whether your a YES or NO voter. " Only people born in Scotland should vote on what’s going to affect the country for ever. But I don’t think the majority of Sottish people are that stupid to vote for independence | |||
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"Think we should be more worried about the invasion an take over whole of uk independence least of your worries " Exactly Glaswegians are being bred out of Glasgow and being replaced by immigrants. Glasgow is the asylum seeker immigrant City of the UK with the most asylum seekers per capital of any City in the whole UK. Goodbye Jimmy the Glaswegian, hello Muhammad, Ibrahim and Abdullah as they take over Buchanan street and the city centre 🤣😂🤣 | |||
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"The independence vote will constantly raise its head until it goes through,the yes voters can’t accept the people of this country already said no, that’s a democracy however I bet if they got independence you’d never get the chance to reverse it…..all we have now is whiskey and tourism can we really afford to go it alone….? That's a ridiculous statement on so many levels. 65 countries have gained independence from "Britain". And guess how many have regretted it? Yes, none. " They may not have regretted it but they are still asking for money and a lot of the African countries are shitholes now. | |||
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"Fed up with politicians and political shite etc. I’m on here to get away from all that crap. Keep it for another site please. One sure way to divide and upset people!!!! 😳😔🫣" Your reply means it's of interest . Any normal person would just not comment. | |||
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"Yes And for those that say they don’t trust or like the snp, that’s fine and I totally understand and respect your opinion. However can I ask is it the snp party that doesn’t get you vote or is it the idea of independence?? The thing to keep in mind is that if there was to be a successful independence referendum then the raison d'être for the snp to exist would be be complete. They are just a vehicle for independence " Both. There are plenty of reasons why leaving the UK would not work, but the people pushing for it is a reason to oppose it. Imagine the scale of corruption if the Murrell/Sturgeon acolytes were in charge of an independent nation? The SNP might cease to exist, but the people in it would still be involved in politics. | |||
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"Think we should be more worried about the invasion an take over whole of uk independence least of your worries Exactly Glaswegians are being bred out of Glasgow and being replaced by immigrants. Glasgow is the asylum seeker immigrant City of the UK with the most asylum seekers per capital of any City in the whole UK. Goodbye Jimmy the Glaswegian, hello Muhammad, Ibrahim and Abdullah as they take over Buchanan street and the city centre 🤣😂🤣" Who caused that? Tory and Labour governments in London have continued to dump the illegal immigrants they have FAILED to keep out or deport. Glasgow today, Inverness tomorrow. London fails, Scotland suffers. | |||
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"Think we should be more worried about the invasion an take over whole of uk independence least of your worries Exactly Glaswegians are being bred out of Glasgow and being replaced by immigrants. Immigrants aren't responsible for your lives being shite, you are. Glasgow is the asylum seeker immigrant City of the UK with the most asylum seekers per capital of any City in the whole UK. Goodbye Jimmy the Glaswegian, hello Muhammad, Ibrahim and Abdullah as they take over Buchanan street and the city centre 🤣😂🤣" Immigrants aren't responsible for your lives being shite, you are. | |||
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"Think we should be more worried about the invasion an take over whole of uk independence least of your worries Exactly Glaswegians are being bred out of Glasgow and being replaced by immigrants. Glasgow is the asylum seeker immigrant City of the UK with the most asylum seekers per capital of any City in the whole UK. Goodbye Jimmy the Glaswegian, hello Muhammad, Ibrahim and Abdullah as they take over Buchanan street and the city centre 🤣😂🤣 Who caused that? Tory and Labour governments in London have continued to dump the illegal immigrants they have FAILED to keep out or deport. Glasgow today, Inverness tomorrow. London fails, Scotland suffers." The Scottish Government, by making councils legally obliged to rehome anyone who is unintentionally homeless, in this case when asylum seekers get refugee status and are no longer homed by the Home Office | |||
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"Even on a gay site. Indy divides! Make love lads not war!" This is so true! | |||
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"Why does the Westminster government have the right to tell Scotland if they can or can't have a referendum they (the English) wouldnt ask Scotland if they wanted one. England would be a lot worse off with out Scotland and they know it hence they block a referendum. Scotland is a much better country than England. 🏴🏴🏴" Respectfully, no! | |||
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"Why does the Westminster government have the right to tell Scotland if they can or can't have a referendum they (the English) wouldnt ask Scotland if they wanted one. England would be a lot worse off with out Scotland and they know it hence they block a referendum. Scotland is a much better country than England. 🏴🏴🏴" No doubt about that. Leaving aside our beautiful landscapes, the unbeatable quality of our food and the better quality of life, we are more community-minded and egalitarian in outlook. | |||
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"Yes! It’s been 12 years since the last referendum, circumstances very different now. Plus it’s a matter of basic democracy, Scotland keep electing a pro independence majority in the Scottish Parliament. If pro union parties were so confident in thier arguments they should put it to the test and welcome another referendum. " And what happens when we win again? You just demand another using the second as a precedent. Then another, then another, then another until you eventually scrape a win. | |||
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"Yes, we consistently vote in pro independence party's, if England wanted to leave who would they ask permission from?" The United Kingdom government, of which Scotland is still part of hence the requirement to seek permission. People tend to forget that England is the only UK nation that does not have its own government and is totally ruled by all of the UK nations including Scotland, who have a say in how all of Englands affairs are run. Where as England does not have a say in the devolved issues of the other UK nations. So if you want to talk about unfairness and Westminster bias!!!! | |||
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"Yes, we consistently vote in pro independence party's, if England wanted to leave who would they ask permission from? The United Kingdom government, of which Scotland is still part of hence the requirement to seek permission. People tend to forget that England is the only UK nation that does not have its own government and is totally ruled by all of the UK nations including Scotland, who have a say in how all of Englands affairs are run. Where as England does not have a say in the devolved issues of the other UK nations. So if you want to talk about unfairness and Westminster bias!!!!" Er…no…. The number of MPs from English constituencies far exceeds the numbers from the remainder of the UK I have no issue with that but factually England has for more than 100 years the opportunity to decide | |||
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"We don't want another vote and we are never going to be allowed to have one for another 30years we can't survive breaking up the union Russia are going to have another war soon and we need the union to survive SO no no no no no no no no" So I take it you support Putin? After all if Scotland should be owned by a hostile neighbour, surely so should Ukraine. Or are you a hypocrite? Like nearly all British nationalists? | |||
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"I,m wondering what it will take for the people of Scotland not to vote for that corrupt SNP party ... unbelievable they have their head in the sand ....." Another viable pro independence party. I was hoping The Alba Party would be it. But I'm never ever going to vote for a right wing, anti working class British nationalist party. I suspect there are many like me, so who do you expect us to vote for? If not the SNP | |||
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"I fail to see the attraction for any working class Scot in the Union. Unless you are a Billy Boy bigot. " What is a ‘Billy Boy bigot’? | |||
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"If we do what Norway do drill our own oil yes " Sadly I think that's significantly less likely than independence, thanks to Westminster your rights to your oil are pretty stitched up. Should Scotland leave ? There are benefits, ease of access to EU would be one. Should you have a vote? What's the quote? "No man owes allegiance, to an oat he has not first put himself under"? It is not for England to decide whether you can have a vote to be governed by England. Worth remembering that wind energy and fresh water are worth far more to Scottish economy over next fifty years than oil. | |||
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"Seems as if the SNP will keep wanting referendums until they get the result they want, that's not democracy, it's bullying. If they lose another referendum what will be the excuse for a third? Just democracy. Too many on here are hostile to the concept. New voters added, deceased voters deleted = revised voting population. Pretty basic though fundamental concept, really. Not hard to grasp." So if the answer is still no, you are happy to accept the choices of the masses? | |||
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"What if England ask for independence " Well when the commercial and vested interests decided to dump the colonies back in early 20century the public here were not asked. There was a raid on treasury for compensation and people made fortunes through deregulation. Should English have a vote on dissolving the union? Absolutely. But with carpetbagging Lord Haw-Haws like Farage floating about , the public should be careful what they agree to. | |||
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"Yes! It’s been 12 years since the last referendum, circumstances very different now. Plus it’s a matter of basic democracy, Scotland keep electing a pro independence majority in the Scottish Parliament. If pro union parties were so confident in thier arguments they should put it to the test and welcome another referendum. And what happens when we win again? You just demand another using the second as a precedent. Then another, then another, then another until you eventually scrape a win. " And so do we deny the democratic choice of the majority?? | |||
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"Get independance then vote to see who takrs charge in scotland" Totally agree with this. The purpose of the SNP would be complete and they could dissolve the party | |||
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"We’d have no official currency, we would need to join the monetary fund. We’d have no armed services We have No one capable of running our country as been proven in recent times and years! No guarantee’s we would be in total ownership of the oil offshore. I’m sure the last referendum they changed the boundary lines. Answers to the above on a postcard to …………." How would we have no armed services? We'd get the ten Percent of the navy and air force Scottish taxpayers pay for, and never heard of Scottish regiments? It always comes down to war with you British nationalists. | |||
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"Stirling is owned by the UK. If Scotland leave the UK they have to find their own currency." Hilarious. "Owned" literally a classic line from a fud! | |||
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"There is no evidence that the EU would accept Scotland if they won the vote to leave the UK. The EU would want a monetary input which Scotlandland does not have. If they left but not joined the EU would they still be allowed to use Stirling which belongs to the English?" British/English nationalists assume everyone else hates Scotland as much as they do, the EU took Bulgaria and Romania when they were Third World Countries! | |||
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"Yes! It’s been 12 years since the last referendum, circumstances very different now. Plus it’s a matter of basic democracy, Scotland keep electing a pro independence majority in the Scottish Parliament. If pro union parties were so confident in thier arguments they should put it to the test and welcome another referendum. And what happens when we win again? You just demand another using the second as a precedent. Then another, then another, then another until you eventually scrape a win. And so do we deny the democratic choice of the majority?? " What democratic about constant referendums that the majority don’t want? | |||
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"Yes! It’s been 12 years since the last referendum, circumstances very different now. Plus it’s a matter of basic democracy, Scotland keep electing a pro independence majority in the Scottish Parliament. If pro union parties were so confident in thier arguments they should put it to the test and welcome another referendum. And what happens when we win again? You just demand another using the second as a precedent. Then another, then another, then another until you eventually scrape a win. And so do we deny the democratic choice of the majority?? What democratic about constant referendums that the majority don’t want?" . Is one referendum, 12 years ago, really constant referendums? | |||
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"Yes! It’s been 12 years since the last referendum, circumstances very different now. Plus it’s a matter of basic democracy, Scotland keep electing a pro independence majority in the Scottish Parliament. If pro union parties were so confident in thier arguments they should put it to the test and welcome another referendum. And what happens when we win again? You just demand another using the second as a precedent. Then another, then another, then another until you eventually scrape a win. And so do we deny the democratic choice of the majority?? What democratic about constant referendums that the majority don’t want?. Is one referendum, 12 years ago, really constant referendums? " The demands for a re-run started the next day. | |||
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"More chance of being an islamic state than being independant. " Facts 👍 | |||
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"Yes to stop the robbery and traitors can live in the country’s ass they lick ! " Maybe they'll become a neighbour of Sturgeon eh? | |||
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"Simply put,has anyone heard if the Barnet formula?we just can't survive as an independent country without it(do you're research)." And yet other countries with fewer resources and less favourably positioned seem to thrive. A myth perpetuated by unionists | |||
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"Everyone seems to think that , if, we gain independence that the snp will be the only democratic choice available " Some people think that, and Nats project it onto all of us to try to convince us to vote for separation. Did you not learn anything from the last referendum? Try answering folks concerns rather than thinking of ways to trick/shame us into voting to leave the UK. | |||
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"For those who want to stay part of England,understand this,you have never been considered by the MP's answerable to 50 million English people. Your life,and the lives of your family are insignificant but your country's resources are extremely important to England's well-being,and not yours." We are not part of England, we are part of the UK. I bet anything you’d be one of the first to pounce if anyone other than a Scot conflated the two. | |||
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"For those who want to stay part of England,understand this,you have never been considered by the MP's answerable to 50 million English people. Your life,and the lives of your family are insignificant but your country's resources are extremely important to England's well-being,and not yours." What is this drivel? | |||
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"For those who want to stay part of England,understand this,you have never been considered by the MP's answerable to 50 million English people. Your life,and the lives of your family are insignificant but your country's resources are extremely important to England's well-being,and not yours." That's what wee nippy said anaw.. then moved to London to live.. | |||
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