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"But a serious question. If I were a 20 year old trying to make a career in DEI advisory sector, what qualifications would I need?" A university degree in some pointless subject. | |||
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"But a serious question. If I were a 20 year old trying to make a career in DEI advisory sector, what qualifications would I need?" It should all sit in the HR side of things. The reality is it has become an activists charter, however, rather than a compliance issue. | |||
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"Would rather someone qualified for the job than someone who ticks some boxes" 100% this | |||
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"It’s become a growth industry for sure. Then, when you recruit people with these job titles, they go looking for problems to fix. And it yields policies and guidance like “how to address someone who identifies as a cat” (Bristol Uni) or health promotion campaigns to increase cervical smear testing that appeal to “people with a cervix” instead of women (NHS). If you need to save money, it’s an easy target. I’m not sure they’ll be missed, really, not now the preachings of Stonewall and the like have been exposed as a legal sham." Totally agree. There are a lot of grifters jumped on the diversity bandwagon. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them" We most certainly do ... Unfortunately | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately " Sadly there are a lot of them in various guises who just milk it for what it's worth and can be very hypocritical too, but if someone somewhere gets to have a decent fulfilling life , rather than take their own life then they are worth the actual ones who believe in the job and do make a difference. Mx | |||
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"My workplace has networks for everything. Women, LGBT, menopause, mental health, neurodiversity, disability, race equality . . . the list is endless. The employer thinks being seen to be inclusive and supportive will improve recruitment and retention. I don’t know. Maybe some take comfort or resssurance. When my big boss found out I was a gay male, he urged me to join their LGBT network. I declined. I just didn’t see my sexuality as being in any way relevant to the work I do. " We must work for the same organisation. Too many meetings to attend on the subjects, stopping me from doing my job. | |||
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"My work has a DEI working group, of which I am a member. There are no specific DEI posts, rather we all volunteer. There are no targets to achieve. It's not about having a certain percentage of LGBT+ employees for example. It's about making sure everyone feels part of the team, welcome to bring their whole selves to work, and has the equal chance to apply for any opportunities, whatever their circumstances. We celebrated a Nepalese festival a few weeks ago because a member of the team is from Nepal. She brought some traditional food, I learnt a bit, understood a bit more, and we all had a nice time. " I take it this food tasting took place outside of working hours? And I take it all this DEI volunteering is also outwith working hours? | |||
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"My workplace has networks for everything. Women, LGBT, menopause, mental health, neurodiversity, disability, race equality . . . the list is endless. The employer thinks being seen to be inclusive and supportive will improve recruitment and retention. I don’t know. Maybe some take comfort or resssurance. When my big boss found out I was a gay male, he urged me to join their LGBT network. I declined. I just didn’t see my sexuality as being in any way relevant to the work I do. " Imagine how excited he’d be if he knew about Sara! So many boxes ticked… | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately " Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly." I can assure you that in large corporations and public bodies, there is an army of people whose job titles include the words diversity, equality or inclusion. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly." You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. I can assure you that in large corporations and public bodies, there is an army of people whose job titles include the words diversity, equality or inclusion." Ive worked for a FTSE100 for a few decades now, and i can confirm that we have seen an exponential increase in the number of people, policies, meetings, and expectations around DEI. All in less than 10 years. Whilst it is hard to criticise the ambition to be more diverse, equitable, and inclusive, it has led to huge costs (people mostly), reduced productivity (meetings, extra leave, etc), and too much internal navel gazing instead of focusing on those who pay us; the customer! So, whilst i hope progress continues, the near ‘militant’ / ‘activist’ / ‘fundamentalist’ approach needs to be stopped. DEI needs to find a more sustainable level. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. I can assure you that in large corporations and public bodies, there is an army of people whose job titles include the words diversity, equality or inclusion." ==================================================== Sounds so much nicer than "prevention of bullying, racism and sexual harassment", doesn't it? Because that's what we're talking about here; the things that every large employer knows will inevitably happen wherever there are opportunities for abusers to exploit their authority, but don't want to name. Ironic that the people who squawk most about eradicating what they call "wokeness" are also the most eager to condemn organisations like the BBC, who have a history of notable failures to tackle instances of such behaviour. | |||
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"Wish I knew what DEI was " DEI stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, promoting and valuing differences, fairness, and creating inclusive environments. | |||
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"Wish I knew what DEI was DEI stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, promoting and valuing differences, fairness, and creating inclusive environments." It has been shown to be counterproductive. In addition there are fundamental differences between equality and equity. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. I can assure you that in large corporations and public bodies, there is an army of people whose job titles include the words diversity, equality or inclusion. ==================================================== Sounds so much nicer than "prevention of bullying, racism and sexual harassment", doesn't it? Because that's what we're talking about here; the things that every large employer knows will inevitably happen wherever there are opportunities for abusers to exploit their authority, but don't want to name. Ironic that the people who squawk most about eradicating what they call "wokeness" are also the most eager to condemn organisations like the BBC, who have a history of notable failures to tackle instances of such behaviour." There is a difference between compliance with the requirements of the Equality Act 2010 and hiring activists to implement the agenda of the likes of Stonewall. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. I can assure you that in large corporations and public bodies, there is an army of people whose job titles include the words diversity, equality or inclusion." Just ask Andrea Jenkyns how much she saved from sacking DEI hires. We are not America | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? " I know people who work at the HR departments of the BBC, WG, Cardiff Uni and Cardiff council no one has DEI in their job titles. It's all nonsense just the latest right wing buzzword. | |||
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"No surprise, therefore, that Herr Farage wants to repeal the Equality Act 2010." There were no sackings, they didn't exist. Never have, we are not America | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? I know people who work at the HR departments of the BBC, WG, Cardiff Uni and Cardiff council no one has DEI in their job titles. It's all nonsense just the latest right wing buzzword. " Jimmy Savile's official job title was DJ and Television Presenter. Titles can be deceptive. | |||
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"So what your against is the goal of tolerance??? Very un-British of you " Being opposed to sexuality and race being used as cover for the imposition of neo-Marxist ideology. Actual very British values. | |||
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"My work has a DEI working group, of which I am a member. There are no specific DEI posts, rather we all volunteer. There are no targets to achieve. It's not about having a certain percentage of LGBT+ employees for example. It's about making sure everyone feels part of the team, welcome to bring their whole selves to work, and has the equal chance to apply for any opportunities, whatever their circumstances. We celebrated a Nepalese festival a few weeks ago because a member of the team is from Nepal. She brought some traditional food, I learnt a bit, understood a bit more, and we all had a nice time. " | |||
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"Would rather someone qualified for the job than someone who ticks some boxes" I don’t think you understand how this works. They still need to be the best person for the job, DEI (I hate this Americanism) is about ensuring a wide range of people are in scope and able to apply. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? " Here we go... just to be inclusive, 'Does a tree actually fall over in a forest if no one sees it?'  | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? Here we go... just to be inclusive, 'Does a tree actually fall over in a forest if no one sees it?' "Equity: Mao, Pol Pot. Be careful what it is that you think you support. | |||
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"Wish I knew what DEI was " Simples.. DEI means 'Do Everyone Internally' Anyone on here qualified for a £100k pa job with Fab?  | |||
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"Wish I knew what DEI was DEI stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, promoting and valuing differences, fairness, and creating inclusive environments. It has been shown to be counterproductive. In addition there are fundamental differences between equality and equity. " Back in my day... when I worked in industry, it was called BS... we just got on with stuff, or you got booted out! D'oh! | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? I know people who work at the HR departments of the BBC, WG, Cardiff Uni and Cardiff council no one has DEI in their job titles. It's all nonsense just the latest right wing buzzword. " You live in Cardiff and claim WG and local councils don’t have DEI in their titles lol - I think you are on a bit of a wind up responder | |||
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"This DEI nonsense is a complete lift from trump. Every organisation recruiting people must do so in accordance with the Equality Act. There are only certain situations where there can be an advantage given for example if there’s an underrepresented group in a sector. Those still have meet all the criteria of an other applicant. Reform has said they will sack DEI officers in Councils they control. These post do not exist in local government, I think it’s more concerning that Reform lifted this straight from Trump and didn’t realise how it works until the UK. " Derbyshire council currently offering £35k for a DEI officer titled equality diversity and inclusion officer Nhs staff bank offering c£40k for Equality diversity and inclusion manager Lancashire uni offering £48k for EDI officer All on indeed if you want to check and took 5 min to find jobs in councils, universities and the NHS so check before claiming there are no dei jobs over here. They are just switching the words round | |||
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"It’s become a growth industry for sure. Then, when you recruit people with these job titles, they go looking for problems to fix. And it yields policies and guidance like “how to address someone who identifies as a cat” (Bristol Uni) or health promotion campaigns to increase cervical smear testing that appeal to “people with a cervix” instead of women (NHS). If you need to save money, it’s an easy target. I’m not sure they’ll be missed, really, not now the preachings of Stonewall and the like have been exposed as a legal sham." Well said! there are better things to employ people for. | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? I know people who work at the HR departments of the BBC, WG, Cardiff Uni and Cardiff council no one has DEI in their job titles. It's all nonsense just the latest right wing buzzword. " So Cardiff council doesn't have any of the following... EDI officer Head of equality diversity and inclusion? Or a whole 27 page EDI strategy document either | |||
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"No surprise, therefore, that Herr Farage wants to repeal the Equality Act 2010." And here I would have serious concerns rather than the DEI posturing. The dei stuff though dose have an effect, it's not simply a case of employers saying , "we aren't funding campaigners", there is a chilling effect when the rainbow days are deliberately cancelled because of a far right govt in America has banned such activities and American companies here,(the bulk of the larger corporates in this country have significant American shareholders), don't want to risk loosing American government contracts. Hence I know of traditional UK companies with American owners , that have cancelled support for pride days , and removed reference to DEI from it's HR pages. You have a place to go to for "employee concerns", if you can't talk to your line manager, but there is nothing on the websites or internal pages apparently about sex, gender or neuro diversity. There is in one case a link about requesting help if disabled and your workplace is in need of physical modification. In the other, even that is gone. This is not about cost saving, this is about reducing non conformity, and. Ensuring a workforce that won't step out of line and can be intimidated into abusing those who do. | |||
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", there is a chilling effect when the rainbow days are deliberately cancelled because of a far right govt in America has banned such activities and American companies here,(the bulk of the larger corporates in this country have significant American shareholders), don't want to risk losing American government contracts. Hence I know of traditional UK companies with American owners , that have cancelled support for pride days , and removed reference to DEI from it's HR pages. " err, evidence? there has been no directive from the US govt banning pride . You might want to look at Reuters factcheck service. What you might be referring to is the banning of the pride flag and any other non US flag on buildings but if you do your research that was actually signed off by the Biden administration as part of the $1.2TN bill that was passed in order to stop the American govt from collapsing last year, not Trump. | |||
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"DEI is essential. " in what way? serious question In what way is DEI, which can be set to anything with no restriction be better than the 2010 Equality act which was legally declared fit for purpose in 2010 and that employers have to abide by | |||
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"So what your against is the goal of tolerance??? Very un-British of you Being opposed to sexuality and race being used as cover for the imposition of neo-Marxist ideology. Actual very British values. " Spelt humane and decency wrong | |||
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"This isn't America we don't have them We most certainly do ... Unfortunately Never seen a job advertised for DEI it's not how British people talk. We have HR departments to ensure that the business and it's people are treated fairly. You, personally, haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist. OK. Are you sceptical about the existence of Antarctica too? I know people who work at the HR departments of the BBC, WG, Cardiff Uni and Cardiff council no one has DEI in their job titles. It's all nonsense just the latest right wing buzzword. So Cardiff council doesn't have any of the following... EDI officer Head of equality diversity and inclusion? Or a whole 27 page EDI strategy document either " Shit, there's real facts out there, we really want hysteria | |||
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"So what your against is the goal of tolerance??? Very un-British of you Being opposed to sexuality and race being used as cover for the imposition of neo-Marxist ideology. Actual very British values. Spelt humane and decency wrong " So you consider Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot humane and decent.  | |||
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"Imagine thinking that making sure everyone is treated fairly as some sort of communism " Equity is not fairness. | |||
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"Imagine thinking that making sure everyone is treated fairly as some sort of communism Equity is not fairness. " Literally does, check the dictionary. | |||
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"Imagine thinking that making sure everyone is treated fairly as some sort of communism Equity is not fairness. Literally does, check the dictionary." first you say it doesn't exist. Then you say it does exist, but that's a good thing, now you don't know what it is. OK. | |||
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