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"If you penalise for possession/dealing, then, technically, there's none available for personal use ?!" Don't think so no. With my mate and friends our bags would take us straight to jail. But it went ne we dealt. We consumed A LOT but if we got found out the amount would never pass for personal consumption. | |||
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"Sadiq Khan thinks small quantities of cannabis should be legal for personal use, but dealing and possession of large quantities should remain offences. OTOH, Mr Plod thinks cannabis in all its forms should be Class A (it's Class B now) and treated accordingly. Who's right? Why?" It's illegal and should stay that way. Harsher punishment should be enforced on anyone caught even with the smallest amount. It destructs people's lives and sends them onto a downhill spiral. | |||
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"Ban it. Smells fucking disgusting. Should be law if someone stinks of it you, your allowed to take a baseball bat to them" 
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"Ban it. Smells fucking disgusting. Should be law if someone stinks of it you, your allowed to take a baseball bat to them
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"I'd be a shade careful about jumping on that bandwagon. 1. There's a woman doing three years for inciting violence (with no better evidence) on social media. 2. Cannabis herb smells very much like a garden bonfire. Please don't extend your choice of targets. | |||
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"Due to the Merseyside Driver being under the influence, I wouldn't be surprised to see a knee-jerk reaction and some law change, " Being charged with driving under the influence is probably the least of his worries / any ban will likely have long expired before he is able to drive again | |||
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"I visited Brighton a couple of months ago. The smell of cannabis in the town centre was everywhere and many users were openly smoking joints. Never used any drugs myself and looking at the appearance of the those in Brighton I made a wise choice. " Except alcohol. Which is a more dangerous DRUG! | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim." Kind of irrelevant though, he's looking after a cosmopolitan city of all sorts, not just Muslims. Plus a lot of muslims take it as seriously as most Christians and are more than happy to bend the rules. I know loads that drink alcohol and a couple who are openly gay. | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim.Kind of irrelevant though, he's looking after a cosmopolitan city of all sorts, not just Muslims. Plus a lot of muslims take it as seriously as most Christians and are more than happy to bend the rules. I know loads that drink alcohol and a couple who are openly gay." Where someone has grown up in an environment that abstains from alcohol, people find different ways to get their “fix”. Those who scream in here about cannabis probably have no qualms about taking alcohol. The reverse is also true. | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim.Kind of irrelevant though, he's looking after a cosmopolitan city of all sorts, not just Muslims. Plus a lot of muslims take it as seriously as most Christians and are more than happy to bend the rules. I know loads that drink alcohol and a couple who are openly gay. Where someone has grown up in an environment that abstains from alcohol, people find different ways to get their “fix”. Those who scream in here about cannabis probably have no qualms about taking alcohol. The reverse is also true." This is one topic where I don't mind which people do, they can drink and smoke for all I care. My main issue lays in the hypocrisy of the legislation. As I said tobacco and alcohol are two of the biggest killers with obesity being close by. Cannabis as far as I'm aware has never killed anyone. Yet we can allow the two that does kill to be legal but not the drug that doesn't kill. I say either ban all substances that can cause death all together or legalize . | |||
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"Ban it. Smells fucking disgusting. Should be law if someone stinks of it you, your allowed to take a baseball bat to them" Typical old fogey reaction. | |||
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"Ban it. Smells fucking disgusting. Should be law if someone stinks of it you, your allowed to take a baseball bat to them
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"Another old fogey reaction. | |||
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"Sadiq Khan thinks small quantities of cannabis should be legal for personal use, but dealing and possession of large quantities should remain offences. OTOH, Mr Plod thinks cannabis in all its forms should be Class A (it's Class B now) and treated accordingly. Who's right? Why?" You're misrepresenting his views, also those of the police. Sir Sadiq said a new report, published by the independent London Drugs Commission (LDC) today, provides "a compelling, evidence-based case" for the government to consider the move. Under current laws, cannabis is a Class B drug and people found in possession face a fine or imprisonment. The LDC, set up by the mayor in 2022 and chaired by former lord chancellor Lord Charlie Falconer, has said the current laws on cannabis are "disproportionate to the harms it can pose". | |||
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"I have seen first hand the psychosis and damage to mental health caused by gaining cannabis. In my view it should remain illegal and restrictions on its availability and use should be enforced wherever possible. " How about the 'psychosis and damage to mental health' caused by alcohol, not to mention the amount of violence,all the way up to murder, that are attributed to it? Just because cannabis possession may be decriminalised doesn't mean people should be encouraged to use it, plenty are already doing so anyway. There's also plenty of violence and misery attached to drug supply on both a global scale. Take it out of the hands of criminals and earn the country some money by taxing it. | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim." I've no idea if he's actually a practicing Muslim, and what difference it makes anyway. I have Muslim mates who drink alcohol and Jewish mates who eat bacon. So what. | |||
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"Due to the Merseyside Driver being under the influence, I wouldn't be surprised to see a knee-jerk reaction and some law change, " He hasn't been charged in relation to driving under the influence. In any case, it's an offence to drive under the influence any drug, even if prescribed. | |||
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"I believe , vaping is probably more harmful than smoking " It clearly isn't, there is no combustion. Surely you know the damage caused by smoking tobacco, it was proven decades ago. | |||
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"Ban it. Smells fucking disgusting. Should be law if someone stinks of it you, your allowed to take a baseball bat to them
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Another old fogey reaction. "What relevance does age have to this discussion? | |||
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"Legalise it but not like Thailand has. I was there before Xmas and every other shop was a shop and I could smell it everywhere. It's a harmless drug, alcohol caused more issues and they are social issues as well as health." A harmless drug, I think not, if you had dealings with as many psychotic people as I have due to their prolonged used of THC. | |||
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"Legalise it but not like Thailand has. I was there before Xmas and every other shop was a shop and I could smell it everywhere. It's a harmless drug, alcohol caused more issues and they are social issues as well as health. A harmless drug, I think not, if you had dealings with as many psychotic people as I have due to their prolonged used of THC. " A minute proportion of all users. In any case what does this have to do with it being decriminalised? There would be no compulsion to take it, and people could be educated more with regards to potential dangers. | |||
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"Sadiq Khan thinks small quantities of cannabis should be legal for personal use, but dealing and possession of large quantities should remain offences. OTOH, Mr Plod thinks cannabis in all its forms should be Class A (it's Class B now) and treated accordingly. Who's right? Why? You're misrepresenting his views, also those of the police. Sir Sadiq said a new report, published by the independent London Drugs Commission (LDC) today, provides "a compelling, evidence-based case" for the government to consider the move. Under current laws, cannabis is a Class B drug and people found in possession face a fine or imprisonment. The LDC, set up by the mayor in 2022 and chaired by former lord chancellor Lord Charlie Falconer, has said the current laws on cannabis are "disproportionate to the harms it can pose"." I put my question in simple tabloid terms, as headlined by several papers. Khan set up the Commission, and it isn't a huge stretch to assume that he backs the report. Am I misrepresenting the views of the police? No. I didn't ask all of them during my punctilious investigation prior to posing my question. But the Commissioners for Dorset and Wiltshire police - among others - called this week for reclassification to Class A - following on from their involvement in anti-county line operations. But thanks to all who have thought about the question rather than picking holes in its wording. Interesting responses, for the most part. | |||
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"Sadiq Khan thinks small quantities of cannabis should be legal for personal use, but dealing and possession of large quantities should remain offences. OTOH, Mr Plod thinks cannabis in all its forms should be Class A (it's Class B now) and treated accordingly. Who's right? Why? You're misrepresenting his views, also those of the police. Sir Sadiq said a new report, published by the independent London Drugs Commission (LDC) today, provides "a compelling, evidence-based case" for the government to consider the move. Under current laws, cannabis is a Class B drug and people found in possession face a fine or imprisonment. The LDC, set up by the mayor in 2022 and chaired by former lord chancellor Lord Charlie Falconer, has said the current laws on cannabis are "disproportionate to the harms it can pose". I put my question in simple tabloid terms, as headlined by several papers. Khan set up the Commission, and it isn't a huge stretch to assume that he backs the report. Am I misrepresenting the views of the police? No. I didn't ask all of them during my punctilious investigation prior to posing my question. But the Commissioners for Dorset and Wiltshire police - among others - called this week for reclassification to Class A - following on from their involvement in anti-county line operations. But thanks to all who have thought about the question rather than picking holes in its wording. Interesting responses, for the most part. " Even the red top tabloids would have mentioned the detailed report he commissioned, from the BBC: 'The possession of small quantities of cannabis for personal use should be decriminalised, a report backed by the London mayor has concluded. The report by the London Drugs Commission, chaired by former Labour cabinet minister Lord Falconer, makes 42 recommendations, including removing natural cannabis from the Misuse of Drugs Act (MDA).' Watch the excellent Drugsland series on iPlayer and you'll find many experienced officers calling for cannabis and other drugs to be decriminalised. Also see how counnty lines gangs work, it isn't a pretty sight. In any case what do you think? | |||
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"I think it should be legalised in the UK. I like to have a beer every now and then don't get me wrong, but alcohol has killed and will continue to kill more people than cannabis ever has or will. Alcohol and tobacco are two of the biggest killers around the world. Yet they are legal. It is known that if alcohol was invented today there is no way it would have been made legal and would probably be a class a drug. Cannabis has so many benefits. I'm not saying it doesn't affect some people badly but so does any drug. If it was legalised it would be easier to know what strengths are out there. Alot of the harmful elements could be taken out to make safer for consumption. How is morphine, methadone etc legal while they can both be lethal without having to take large amounts while cannabis isn't?" Morphine and methadone aren’t “legal”. They are prescription only drugs. | |||
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"I have seen first hand the psychosis and damage to mental health caused by gaining cannabis. In my view it should remain illegal and restrictions on its availability and use should be enforced wherever possible. " And unfortunately the same can be said about legal alcohol | |||
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"Peter Hitchens. Mr Censorious. Plenty have seen through him." So then through your simplistic lens all the evidence he quotes can be overlooked | |||
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"I have seen first hand the psychosis and damage to mental health caused by gaining cannabis. In my view it should remain illegal and restrictions on its availability and use should be enforced wherever possible. And unfortunately the same can be said about legal alcohol" Quoting the damage done by legalised alcohol is no valid argument. So we now about the damage caused by legalised alcohol, so decide to double up and add another substance, not much logic in that. | |||
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"We need a reform of our drug laws. I don't know what the answer is but your never going to win the war on drugs. It's too lucrative " As Bill Hicks once said, if we are losing the war on drugs, does that suggests we are fighting a war against people on drugs….. and losing !? | |||
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"Due to the Merseyside Driver being under the influence, I wouldn't be surprised to see a knee-jerk reaction and some law change, He hasn't been charged in relation to driving under the influence. In any case, it's an offence to drive under the influence any drug, even if prescribed." Not sure that’s the case. If so, anyone with Diabetis (either type), high blood pressure, high cholestrol, sti, controlled physical or mental health issues, cigarette smokers, etc. can’t drive ? We don’t have enough courts and prisons if so | |||
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"Peter Hitchens. Mr Censorious. Plenty have seen through him. So then through your simplistic lens all the evidence he quotes can be overlooked" ... ... Your own lens....ahem. No, what I purported to was others who have been able to see through the limitations of his arguments. | |||
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"Peter Hitchens. Mr Censorious. Plenty have seen through him. So then through your simplistic lens all the evidence he quotes can be overlooked" On that basis alcohol should be banned, cigarettes should be banned. As with most things it’s a balance of risk, not only to the individual but also to others and society. Far more people die or are permanently injured by alcohol than any other drug. The social effects of alcohol are also enormous. Hitchens stance is firmly anti cannabis so he cherry picks facts that support his position | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim." In Islam, everything is considered haram. Recently, the Taliban stated that table football is haram. | |||
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"Peter Hitchens. Mr Censorious. Plenty have seen through him. So then through your simplistic lens all the evidence he quotes can be overlooked On that basis alcohol should be banned, cigarettes should be banned. As with most things it’s a balance of risk, not only to the individual but also to others and society. Far more people die or are permanently injured by alcohol than any other drug. The social effects of alcohol are also enormous. Hitchens stance is firmly anti cannabis so he cherry picks facts that support his position " Alcohol causes massive problems, but there is no logic in making other dodgly drugs legal and ramping up the problems even more. | |||
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"Hitchens talks of moral failure rather than addiction. His experience of working class/underclass life is a big fat zero. He's a pompous charlatan best ignored. His contribution to the debate has hardly moved it forwards in any meaningful way. All in all what he has argued for has been condescending, offensive middle-class twaddle..." Well you can insult Hitchens as much as you wish and have a big sulk about 'middle class' but Hitchens is widely respected for quoting evidence, no matter how inconvenient it is to you. | |||
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"Due to the Merseyside Driver being under the influence, I wouldn't be surprised to see a knee-jerk reaction and some law change, He hasn't been charged in relation to driving under the influence. In any case, it's an offence to drive under the influence any drug, even if prescribed. Not sure that’s the case. If so, anyone with Diabetis (either type), high blood pressure, high cholestrol, sti, controlled physical or mental health issues, cigarette smokers, etc. can’t drive ? We don’t have enough courts and prisons if so" No you have it wrong. Unless the drugs taken for 'Diabetis (either type), high blood pressure, high cholestrol, sti, controlled physical or mental health issues, cigarette smokers, etc.' are likely to make the driver drowsy, inattentive or otherwise impaired, they are fine to drive. If they're driving under the affect of a prescribed drug such as method one, sleeping pills etc, they are not. | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim. In Islam, everything is considered haram. Recently, the Taliban stated that table football is haram." And tables* [*Unless the table legs are modestly covered at all times] | |||
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"The assertion that alcohol causes more deaths has not yet been substantiated; you will understand this reality when cannabis is legalized in the same manner as alcohol, as they are fundamentally similar. A driver almost took my father's life while he was operating his vehicle after consuming cannabis." The percentage of crime committed under the influence of alcohol is very well documented, about 38%. I don't see how decriminalising simple possession of cannabis is relevant to this argument though, because driving under the influence is still likely to be illegal. | |||
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"I think it should be legalised in the UK. I like to have a beer every now and then don't get me wrong, but alcohol has killed and will continue to kill more people than cannabis ever has or will. Alcohol and tobacco are two of the biggest killers around the world. Yet they are legal. It is known that if alcohol was invented today there is no way it would have been made legal and would probably be a class a drug. Cannabis has so many benefits. I'm not saying it doesn't affect some people badly but so does any drug. If it was legalised it would be easier to know what strengths are out there. Alot of the harmful elements could be taken out to make safer for consumption. How is morphine, methadone etc legal while they can both be lethal without having to take large amounts while cannabis isn't? Morphine and methadone aren’t “legal”. They are prescription only drugs." I understand that but the point is they can kill you. Weed doesn't kill people. | |||
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"Peter Hitchens. Mr Censorious. Plenty have seen through him. So then through your simplistic lens all the evidence he quotes can be overlooked On that basis alcohol should be banned, cigarettes should be banned. As with most things it’s a balance of risk, not only to the individual but also to others and society. Far more people die or are permanently injured by alcohol than any other drug. The social effects of alcohol are also enormous. Hitchens stance is firmly anti cannabis so he cherry picks facts that support his position Alcohol causes massive problems, but there is no logic in making other dodgly drugs legal and ramping up the problems even more. " How is decriminalising cannabis possession likely to ramp up the problems more? There is no evidence that more people would use it, although I expect a few may give it an initial try. Taking it off the streets and out of the hands of violent criminal gangs would surely eliminate many problems, isn't that what you want? With regards to Peter Hitchens, I just see him as a third-rate Christopher Hitchens whose death, ironically, was partly attributed to alcoholism. | |||
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"The assertion that alcohol causes more deaths has not yet been substantiated; you will understand this reality when cannabis is legalized in the same manner as alcohol, as they are fundamentally similar. A driver almost took my father's life while he was operating his vehicle after consuming cannabis." I would disagree with you on this one, alcohol can cause problems with the liver, stomach and other parts of the body. You could drink alcohol that is too strong that could kill you. Alcoholism is one of the only addictions that can kill you if you quit cold turkey. | |||
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"How has the criminalisation of cannabis and its users worked out?" About as well as prohibition in the US during the 1920s. It allowed criminals to thrive. | |||
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"I think it should be legalised in the UK. I like to have a beer every now and then don't get me wrong, but alcohol has killed and will continue to kill more people than cannabis ever has or will. Alcohol and tobacco are two of the biggest killers around the world. Yet they are legal. It is known that if alcohol was invented today there is no way it would have been made legal and would probably be a class a drug. Cannabis has so many benefits. I'm not saying it doesn't affect some people badly but so does any drug. If it was legalised it would be easier to know what strengths are out there. Alot of the harmful elements could be taken out to make safer for consumption. How is morphine, methadone etc legal while they can both be lethal without having to take large amounts while cannabis isn't? Morphine and methadone aren’t “legal”. They are prescription only drugs. I understand that but the point is they can kill you. Weed doesn't kill people." Most, if not all, drugs can kill you. “Everything is poisonous in the right amount”.-Paracelsus (1493–1541) | |||
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"The assertion that alcohol causes more deaths has not yet been substantiated; you will understand this reality when cannabis is legalized in the same manner as alcohol, as they are fundamentally similar. A driver almost took my father's life while he was operating his vehicle after consuming cannabis. I would disagree with you on this one, alcohol can cause problems with the liver, stomach and other parts of the body. You could drink alcohol that is too strong that could kill you. Alcoholism is one of the only addictions that can kill you if you quit cold turkey. " You are referring to individuals who consume alcohol excessively; there is also an extensive warning list for the individuals who smoke cannabis heavily. Increased Heart Rate and Blood Pressure , stroke and heart disease Chronic Bronchitis and Emphysema lung injury and even death. Anxiety and Depression Cannabis use may exacerbate symptoms of bipolar disorder | |||
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"How has the criminalisation of cannabis and its users worked out?" There was a time when soldiers in the British Army were dispensed heroin as part of their job | |||
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"cigarettes are legal and it dosent stop the criminal gangs" It doesn't stop them from what? | |||
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"Cannabis is generally considered haram in Islam. I thought Sadiq was a Muslim." He wasn’t elected to rule according to his religious beliefs, any more than Sir Kier or Mr Sunak were elected to rule according to theirs. Religion is personal to the individual and irrelevant to public policy, as numerous Muslims, Hindus and Christians who have held high office have demonstrated. | |||
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"I think it should be legalised in the UK. I like to have a beer every now and then don't get me wrong, but alcohol has killed and will continue to kill more people than cannabis ever has or will. Alcohol and tobacco are two of the biggest killers around the world. Yet they are legal. It is known that if alcohol was invented today there is no way it would have been made legal and would probably be a class a drug. Cannabis has so many benefits. I'm not saying it doesn't affect some people badly but so does any drug. If it was legalised it would be easier to know what strengths are out there. Alot of the harmful elements could be taken out to make safer for consumption. How is morphine, methadone etc legal while they can both be lethal without having to take large amounts while cannabis isn't? Morphine and methadone aren’t “legal”. They are prescription only drugs. I understand that but the point is they can kill you. Weed doesn't kill people. Most, if not all, drugs can kill you. “Everything is poisonous in the right amount”.-Paracelsus (1493–1541)" Do you know how much would need to be smoked to kill a person? Nobody knows that answer because as of yet nobody has died from it | |||
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