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"There is a thread about this in the Feedback forum." Ah OK thanks | |||
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"Maybe it will help get rid of timewasters " In what way? | |||
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"Grndr has seriously hampered the site with the amount of adverts they force on you and the pay options are very expensive" Exactly this. For me, it's just not worth any extra hassle to log onto it just to watch adverts | |||
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"Grndr has seriously hampered the site with the amount of adverts they force on you and the pay options are very expensive Exactly this. For me, it's just not worth any extra hassle to log onto it just to watch adverts " You're logging on to find a man | |||
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"This change is going to kill the site eventually. So many people rightfully don't want to hand over their personal details to a hookup site. " It isn't an ID check, it is age verification    xx | |||
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"This change is going to kill the site eventually. So many people rightfully don't want to hand over their personal details to a hookup site. It isn't an ID check, it is age verification xx"Just wondering how your age is verified without having to give personal details like ID | |||
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"This change is going to kill the site eventually. So many people rightfully don't want to hand over their personal details to a hookup site. It isn't an ID check, it is age verification xx
Just wondering how your age is verified without having to give personal details like ID "Please read the post in the site feedback put there by Fabguys admin. xx | |||
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"More government intervention and control. I guess it's back to the woods to meet men." Exactly this! It won't stop me using the site, not least because I'm out anyway, and I'm not blaming FabGuys in any way because they are just complying with the law, but for me it's just another incremental increase by the government on the road to them controlling everything everybody does, sees, hears, accesses and experiences. I'm not just blaming Labour either because I think ALL the party's are in on it. Welcome to Britain's answer to China boys! | |||
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"I'm wondering what changes are likely to happen here... I just got a notification on grindr about compliance with the new UK laws, and it said to verify the account, when prompted, I would need to provide something like a selfie video and uk drivers license or passport to prove my age. If I don't, there will be no access after the refusal, until I do. At this moment, I'm not inclined to do this, I'll probably delete my account there. But what about here? Would you be willing to do something like this to get access to this site? " Tell em to shove it. | |||
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"The way some of you hysterical Nellie’s are behaving you’d think they come to your house and ask your wife if she knows you’re using the site, then drive around your neighbourhood with a billboard truck with your profile plastered on it. Try reading the thread on it in the feedback section before clutching your pearls. " brilliant….lol | |||
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"I'm wondering what changes are likely to happen here... I just got a notification on grindr about compliance with the new UK laws, and it said to verify the account, when prompted, I would need to provide something like a selfie video and uk drivers license or passport to prove my age. If I don't, there will be no access after the refusal, until I do. At this moment, I'm not inclined to do this, I'll probably delete my account there. But what about here? Would you be willing to do something like this to get access to this site? " Already have for two sites, they use third party app and never see your data. They don't need you to register | |||
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"Personally when it happens I think it's time to say goodbye " Maybe educate yourself on how or works | |||
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"Personally when it happens I think it's time to say goodbye " Why? | |||
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"I'm wondering what changes are likely to happen here... I just got a notification on grindr about compliance with the new UK laws, and it said to verify the account, when prompted, I would need to provide something like a selfie video and uk drivers license or passport to prove my age. If I don't, there will be no access after the refusal, until I do. At this moment, I'm not inclined to do this, I'll probably delete my account there. But what about here? Would you be willing to do something like this to get access to this site? Tell em to shove it. " Why? What good does that do? | |||
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"Guys planning on deleting their accounts, how will you access porn sites? " Don’t question the harrumphing!! Especially not with logic, no thank you. | |||
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"There’s a few posts on this , and I was under the impression of having to send in a copy of some Id which personally wouldn’t bother me , but from the tests they have been doing one of the options is photo recognition which ai determines your age of if you are over 18 and all it does is send a pass or fail to fab so nothing else on record, but I did see something about most of us have passed already with I believe our verification photo. Obviously we will truly find out when it becomes compulsory " So do you think by getting verified on here alone should do the trick? If so i´ll do it later today  | |||
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"VPN time!" If the age verification process is on (or linked to the site) VPN will not get you around the process. Presumably the age verification process will put a marker on your account (which you can’t get at) that indicates if you have been age verified- if you have you can login, if you haven’t then you can’t until you have been age verified - VPN will not circumvent that. | |||
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"More government intervention and control. I guess it's back to the woods to meet men. Exactly this! It won't stop me using the site, not least because I'm out anyway, and I'm not blaming FabGuys in any way because they are just complying with the law, but for me it's just another incremental increase by the government on the road to them controlling everything everybody does, sees, hears, accesses and experiences. I'm not just blaming Labour either because I think ALL the party's are in on it. Welcome to Britain's answer to China boys! " Actually I think you are missing something in this change to the law. Yes, it is intended to prevent those under age from accessing these sites, but have you asked yourself what could or would happen if those under age uploaded images of themselves and you viewed them and the police got involved at a later date - say their parents found out what their offspring were up too and reported it to the police. At least if under cannot access these sites site it is also protecting you as well. | |||
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"What have people got to hide? This is a very curious thread." I think it’s more so about data being breached Despite best efforts it can happen anywhere As previous incidents have proven | |||
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"What have people got to hide? This is a very curious thread. I think it’s more so about data being breached Despite best efforts it can happen anywhere As previous incidents have proven " That’s a fair point. We do already have our data all over the internet, why is this a step too far? Or is it just a heap of people wringing their hands at any change? | |||
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"More government intervention and control. I guess it's back to the woods to meet men. Exactly this! It won't stop me using the site, not least because I'm out anyway, and I'm not blaming FabGuys in any way because they are just complying with the law, but for me it's just another incremental increase by the government on the road to them controlling everything everybody does, sees, hears, accesses and experiences. I'm not just blaming Labour either because I think ALL the party's are in on it. Welcome to Britain's answer to China boys! Actually I think you are missing something in this change to the law. Yes, it is intended to prevent those under age from accessing these sites, but have you asked yourself what could or would happen if those under age uploaded images of themselves and you viewed them and the police got involved at a later date - say their parents found out what their offspring were up too and reported it to the police. At least if under cannot access these sites site it is also protecting you as well." Not sure if anyone remembers a case few years ago featured in The Guardian A woman received an image that was illegal & reported to the police She was prosecuted Despite proving it was nothing to do with her & thought she was doing the right thing She afterwards should have just deleted it as she ended up with criminal record | |||
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"I think if it stays, fabguys have got it right by verifying yourself by holding a card with your arms showing, your profile name and fabguys. That should be enough" It doesn’t really show your age though? | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. " Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed? | |||
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"I think if it stays, fabguys have got it right by verifying yourself by holding a card with your arms showing, your profile name and fabguys. That should be enough It doesn’t really show your age though?" What???? You're saying I look just over 18???? WHY THANK YOU. | |||
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"I think if it stays, fabguys have got it right by verifying yourself by holding a card with your arms showing, your profile name and fabguys. That should be enough It doesn’t really show your age though?" It shows my face, and believe me, that's old, old! | |||
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"I think if it stays, fabguys have got it right by verifying yourself by holding a card with your arms showing, your profile name and fabguys. That should be enough It doesn’t really show your age though? What???? You're saying I look just over 18???? WHY THANK YOU. " This isn’t just for you though is it? It’s for everyone, including the 19 year olds. | |||
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"I think if it stays, fabguys have got it right by verifying yourself by holding a card with your arms showing, your profile name and fabguys. That should be enough It doesn’t really show your age though? What???? You're saying I look just over 18???? WHY THANK YOU. This isn’t just for you though is it? It’s for everyone, including the 19 year olds." Fair enough. If anyone in FG eyes doesn't look over 18, they could ask for extra verification, but as most of the guys on here are well aged, I think it's pretty obvious.  | |||
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"I think if it stays, fabguys have got it right by verifying yourself by holding a card with your arms showing, your profile name and fabguys. That should be enough It doesn’t really show your age though? What???? You're saying I look just over 18???? WHY THANK YOU. This isn’t just for you though is it? It’s for everyone, including the 19 year olds. Fair enough. If anyone in FG eyes doesn't look over 18, they could ask for extra verification, but as most of the guys on here are well aged, I think it's pretty obvious. "Fair point but speak for yourself
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"Such dramatics from people who clearly haven't even looked at the thread which outlines the various options being implemented "Careful or you will get accused of trying to spread harmony. | |||
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"I have participated in the trial. I did not have to provide ANY personal details. Please read the post in the site feedback put there by Fabguys admin. It includes the following - We store no data other than a PASS if we can confirm you as 18+. We don't store (or in most methods need) your DOB as part of this process and we don't store any data as part of the process. It is emphatically NOT an ID check. For anyone interested in the details of the legislation, OFCOM has published around 400 pages of guidance related to this which you can google and read through. PS. MOST folks who are active users on the site will already have taken an action which means their account will be flagged as age assured at the point this goes live." This is good to know. X I see porn sites like x hamster and others are warning thst that adult verification will be needed soon. Surely a way around that. Hooefully ! 😉 | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed?" A fairly obvious point, but it's a cumulative thing. All databases are insecure. The more databases your details are on, and the deeper the level of detail, the less secure your online presence. One more? No thanks. I accept the risk as it is, but here I stick. In any likely scenario, a bad actor would find it hard to identify me from what I have posted on FG, including forum posts. My pics have pixellated faces. A hacker might get my email address from FG's database. Ok, I accept the risk. Up to this point, and no further. It strikes me that much of the tech revolution, as we are supposed to think of it, is concerned with putting real people out of work and replacing them with automated systems which are just as fallible, and much less accessible by the customer. The enormous sums of money saved by reducing the level of service to the consumer can then be channeled to board members and investors. Funny how this is always in the interests of a nice beneficiary, not the techco. Yes, I'm a Luddite. No doubt that will shortly make me subject to the Terrorism Act... | |||
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"As usual a small percentage of the population either ignore or break the law. So what do governments do, bring in a scheme that may or may not be an inconvenience to the 95+%. The ones that the scheme is trying to stop, will circumnavigate the rules and as usual nothing will have changed. Except the vast majority will have lost a bit more of their privacy." That. | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed? A fairly obvious point, but it's a cumulative thing. All databases are insecure. The more databases your details are on, and the deeper the level of detail, the less secure your online presence. One more? No thanks. I accept the risk as it is, but here I stick. In any likely scenario, a bad actor would find it hard to identify me from what I have posted on FG, including forum posts. My pics have pixellated faces. A hacker might get my email address from FG's database. Ok, I accept the risk. Up to this point, and no further. It strikes me that much of the tech revolution, as we are supposed to think of it, is concerned with putting real people out of work and replacing them with automated systems which are just as fallible, and much less accessible by the customer. The enormous sums of money saved by reducing the level of service to the consumer can then be channeled to board members and investors. Funny how this is always in the interests of a nice beneficiary, not the techco. Yes, I'm a Luddite. No doubt that will shortly make me subject to the Terrorism Act..." Every time you open a new website it puts your details into a database, why is this one too much? It it just because you know this one is happening and you don’t see your details getting skimmed every time you go online? | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. " Well there are plenty of other sites out there (which cost a lot more than FG) - but don’t forget they are all having to comply with the new law and may have more intrusive verification processes than FG are implementing. | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed? A fairly obvious point, but it's a cumulative thing. All databases are insecure. The more databases your details are on, and the deeper the level of detail, the less secure your online presence. One more? No thanks. I accept the risk as it is, but here I stick. In any likely scenario, a bad actor would find it hard to identify me from what I have posted on FG, including forum posts. My pics have pixellated faces. A hacker might get my email address from FG's database. Ok, I accept the risk. Up to this point, and no further. It strikes me that much of the tech revolution, as we are supposed to think of it, is concerned with putting real people out of work and replacing them with automated systems which are just as fallible, and much less accessible by the customer. The enormous sums of money saved by reducing the level of service to the consumer can then be channeled to board members and investors. Funny how this is always in the interests of a nice beneficiary, not the techco. Yes, I'm a Luddite. No doubt that will shortly make me subject to the Terrorism Act... Every time you open a new website it puts your details into a database, why is this one too much? It it just because you know this one is happening and you don’t see your details getting skimmed every time you go online? " Actually I would be far more concerned about the amount of data being collected about you by the likes of google analytics. Next time you get asked for cookie consent have a look at the number of different organisations that site is sharing data about you with. | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed? A fairly obvious point, but it's a cumulative thing. All databases are insecure. The more databases your details are on, and the deeper the level of detail, the less secure your online presence. One more? No thanks. I accept the risk as it is, but here I stick. In any likely scenario, a bad actor would find it hard to identify me from what I have posted on FG, including forum posts. My pics have pixellated faces. A hacker might get my email address from FG's database. Ok, I accept the risk. Up to this point, and no further. It strikes me that much of the tech revolution, as we are supposed to think of it, is concerned with putting real people out of work and replacing them with automated systems which are just as fallible, and much less accessible by the customer. The enormous sums of money saved by reducing the level of service to the consumer can then be channeled to board members and investors. Funny how this is always in the interests of a nice beneficiary, not the techco. Yes, I'm a Luddite. No doubt that will shortly make me subject to the Terrorism Act... Every time you open a new website it puts your details into a database, why is this one too much? It it just because you know this one is happening and you don’t see your details getting skimmed every time you go online? Actually I would be far more concerned about the amount of data being collected about you by the likes of google analytics. Next time you get asked for cookie consent have a look at the number of different organisations that site is sharing data about you with." Exactly my point, we are railing against this because it’s in our eyeline and we like to be furious, but we are also freely giving our data away to people who don’t tell us and don’t try to be transparent. It’s the irony of the perennially furious. | |||
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"This clearly matters to you. However, it's my decision, and I'm not even sorry if it makes you unhappy. Two words: "boiling frog". " I get what you are saying, but you are still in the pot next to us, you just don’t realise it. | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Well there are plenty of other sites out there (which cost a lot more than FG) - but don’t forget they are all having to comply with the new law and may have more intrusive verification processes than FG are implementing." Agreed, for sure. I don't hold FG responsible for this, and I realise it's got to do what it's told. My revulsion at the tyranny of technology has reached critical mass, though. I'll be sorry to leave. | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Well there are plenty of other sites out there (which cost a lot more than FG) - but don’t forget they are all having to comply with the new law and may have more intrusive verification processes than FG are implementing. Agreed, for sure. I don't hold FG responsible for this, and I realise it's got to do what it's told. My revulsion at the tyranny of technology has reached critical mass, though. I'll be sorry to leave." The tyranny? | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem "More men. More opportunities for hook ups. More revenue for the site | |||
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"This clearly matters to you. However, it's my decision, and I'm not even sorry if it makes you unhappy. Two words: "boiling frog". I get what you are saying, but you are still in the pot next to us, you just don’t realise it." Believe me I realise it. The system is inescapable. Its sheer cynicism is exemplified by the election of TRump and the elevation of his nasty cronies, in plain view, under a "democracy". The society the technocrats have in mind for us makes "1984" look like a wet dream, and it's here, cooking us poor stupid frogs, and, incidentally, the planet. But you don't have to pretend it's not happening, do you? | |||
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"This clearly matters to you. However, it's my decision, and I'm not even sorry if it makes you unhappy. Two words: "boiling frog". I get what you are saying, but you are still in the pot next to us, you just don’t realise it. Believe me I realise it. The system is inescapable. Its sheer cynicism is exemplified by the election of TRump and the elevation of his nasty cronies, in plain view, under a "democracy". The society the technocrats have in mind for us makes "1984" look like a wet dream, and it's here, cooking us poor stupid frogs, and, incidentally, the planet. But you don't have to pretend it's not happening, do you?" You seem happy to pretend it’s not happening because you presumably use all the sites who don’t bother telling you what they are doing, like google. But are using hyperbolic language to rail against the site which is being open and transparent with you. It seems a little perverse? | |||
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"More government intervention and control. I guess it's back to the woods to meet men. Exactly this! It won't stop me using the site, not least because I'm out anyway, and I'm not blaming FabGuys in any way because they are just complying with the law, but for me it's just another incremental increase by the government on the road to them controlling everything everybody does, sees, hears, accesses and experiences. I'm not just blaming Labour either because I think ALL the party's are in on it. Welcome to Britain's answer to China boys! Actually I think you are missing something in this change to the law. Yes, it is intended to prevent those under age from accessing these sites, but have you asked yourself what could or would happen if those under age uploaded images of themselves and you viewed them and the police got involved at a later date - say their parents found out what their offspring were up too and reported it to the police. At least if under cannot access these sites site it is also protecting you as well. Not sure if anyone remembers a case few years ago featured in The Guardian A woman received an image that was illegal & reported to the police She was prosecuted Despite proving it was nothing to do with her & thought she was doing the right thing She afterwards should have just deleted it as she ended up with criminal record " That woman was a police officer. | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. " Teenage hackers could quite easily hack this, or other porn or hook up apps, today. Whatever info you provided then is open to stealing. I fail to see the difference. As others have pointed out, Google, meta etc already know your every move. Declining cookies is one way to limit the info that's shared, but you can't access any website without agreeing to "essential" cookies, which invariably we're led to believe are for targeted advertising. I've no idea how many companies know my IP address should they want to find out exactly who I am . | |||
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"And soon the Chinese style social credit rating system will be on us and the gullible sheep will still be bleating, "But if your have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". There are some people you can't help and they deserve all the pain they get." Nobody's suffering pain. What are you on about? | |||
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"I used to use Gaydar many moons ago before it went all like Facebook and rarely paid for it. When you used the "free" version, any pictures involving private parts were blanked, if you paid a subscription you could see the relevant equipment. This method could be adopted here. For users not age verified they could only post and look at pictures not involving the sexual anatomy. Personally this would suit me as I'm not here to look at profiles showing 50 views of some guys flabby cock or their hairy ass holes. " Underage children would still be able to access those older than them, and vice versa. | |||
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"Personally its a good thing, especially grindr. See guys on there claiming to be in their 20-30s their photos are clearly much younger. In some cases they dont even look 16. Once you go through the process all videos and evidence is deleted by the site. " ...and pigs fly! | |||
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"As usual a small percentage of the population either ignore or break the law. So what do governments do, bring in a scheme that may or may not be an inconvenience to the 95+%. The ones that the scheme is trying to stop, will circumnavigate the rules and as usual nothing will have changed. Except the vast majority will have lost a bit more of their privacy." All the above maybe so... but a government and it's agentcies will like it as they will have access to more of you're personal data (and don't believe the BS that they don't!). That gives them more control and power over people; they love it! | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed? A fairly obvious point, but it's a cumulative thing. All databases are insecure. The more databases your details are on, and the deeper the level of detail, the less secure your online presence. One more? No thanks. I accept the risk as it is, but here I stick. In any likely scenario, a bad actor would find it hard to identify me from what I have posted on FG, including forum posts. My pics have pixellated faces. A hacker might get my email address from FG's database. Ok, I accept the risk. Up to this point, and no further. It strikes me that much of the tech revolution, as we are supposed to think of it, is concerned with putting real people out of work and replacing them with automated systems which are just as fallible, and much less accessible by the customer. The enormous sums of money saved by reducing the level of service to the consumer can then be channeled to board members and investors. Funny how this is always in the interests of a nice beneficiary, not the techco. Yes, I'm a Luddite. No doubt that will shortly make me subject to the Terrorism Act..." What he said...  | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Your privacy eroded? You have pictures of your naked body on a public website? Hasn’t that ship sailed? A fairly obvious point, but it's a cumulative thing. All databases are insecure. The more databases your details are on, and the deeper the level of detail, the less secure your online presence. One more? No thanks. I accept the risk as it is, but here I stick. In any likely scenario, a bad actor would find it hard to identify me from what I have posted on FG, including forum posts. My pics have pixellated faces. A hacker might get my email address from FG's database. Ok, I accept the risk. Up to this point, and no further. It strikes me that much of the tech revolution, as we are supposed to think of it, is concerned with putting real people out of work and replacing them with automated systems which are just as fallible, and much less accessible by the customer. The enormous sums of money saved by reducing the level of service to the consumer can then be channeled to board members and investors. Funny how this is always in the interests of a nice beneficiary, not the techco. Yes, I'm a Luddite. No doubt that will shortly make me subject to the Terrorism Act... Every time you open a new website it puts your details into a database, why is this one too much? It it just because you know this one is happening and you don’t see your details getting skimmed every time you go online? Actually I would be far more concerned about the amount of data being collected about you by the likes of google analytics. Next time you get asked for cookie consent have a look at the number of different organisations that site is sharing data about you with. Exactly my point, we are railing against this because it’s in our eyeline and we like to be furious, but we are also freely giving our data away to people who don’t tell us and don’t try to be transparent. It’s the irony of the perennially furious." It's because its done that way that more control should be exercised by governments on the likes of google and these toxic companies that sell our data on every time we access there services. The problem is governments feed off the same data to track and control us! Paranoid... I don't think so, once you realise how deep and far it goes! Most politicians don't have clue what's happening... the people in the security services won't tell them because they themselves use the data! We are fecked...! You need to dispose of all electronic devices and go off grid if you want privacy! Watch a Gene Hackman film called 'Enemy of the State' if you want an idea of how far it goes... And that was from thirty years ago!!!  | |||
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"Yet another instance of my privacy and security being eroded in the name of other peoples' privacy and security. Who imagines that the most stringent measures won't be bypassed by teenagers wanting to see porn anyway? If the current generation of hackers can get into the NHS, M&S etc what can't they get into? Will they not happily sell the software to repeat the process? Bring back porn shops with high shelves kids couldn't reach! I don't see my interest in FG surviving this measure. It's a liberty too far. Well there are plenty of other sites out there (which cost a lot more than FG) - but don’t forget they are all having to comply with the new law and may have more intrusive verification processes than FG are implementing. Agreed, for sure. I don't hold FG responsible for this, and I realise it's got to do what it's told. My revulsion at the tyranny of technology has reached critical mass, though. I'll be sorry to leave." We will be sorry to lose you...  | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem "oh dear, you don't get it... It's not about age verification, its about data and who is harvesting it and what they use it for! It's not about FG claiming they don't store you're data... as soon as you send it, it is harvested! TO LATE! | |||
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"And soon the Chinese style social credit rating system will be on us and the gullible sheep will still be bleating, "But if your have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". There are some people you can't help and they deserve all the pain they get. Nobody's suffering pain. What are you on about?" The Chinese Social Credit Score system is used to ensure compliance through removal of rights from those who do not do as instructed to achieve a 'high score'. Jaywalk (to use the American term)? Demerits for you. 3 hours playing online games (when you should have been building more tractors, comrade)? Demerits for you. Hanging out with someone else with a low Social Credit Score? Demerits for you. Criticising the government online (and tracked doing so because you were required to enter your Digital ID credentials into the browser/internet service provider gateway when logging in)? Demerits for you. Not taking proscribed novel medication with no long term safety data when instructed to do so? Demerits for you, and your 'travel app' turns red so you cannot purchase tickets for public transport or purchase fuel for your personal vehicle. And on the other side... Reporting a neighbour for some activities they 'should not be doing'? Credits for you. Only buying vegetables instead of that apparently terrible 'carbon-intensive' meat? Credits for you. Taking an(other) injection of proscribed medication 'for the greater good'? Credits for you (and fuck your personal autonomy or future health) Yadayadayada Tin foil hat... but the system is already in place in China and is the ultimate aim of those best described as 'globalists'. Why do you think Digital ID is being forced on populations globally, for little apparent personal benefit other than 'you won't have to find your driving licence the two times you need it in a year'? Why do you think there is a push for a cashless society (meaning all transactions can be recorded)? Why do you think they are implementing the internet user data harvesting process that is the subject of this thread? (Hint: 'Won't someone think of the children' as an excuse from those in power for doing something they want to do is a manipulation tool as old as the hills.) Those crying 'if you have nothing to hide...' are naively short-sighted as to the power a digital Social Credit Score system grants governments and organisations. I don't need to ask my mummy whether I am allowed to doing normal, average human adult things online and in the real world, so why would anyone need a 'Social Credit Score' to prove they are 'allowed' to do such things? The end of privacy is coming, and I pity the children who will now grow up in a world where they expect their every move and interaction to be monitored from afar by faceless bureaucratic entities with zero regard for the subjects they are tracking. | |||
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"Age verification does not involve retention of personal data. Nothing to get paranoid about." oh, the innocents abroad! I bet you still believe in the tooth fairy!   | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem
oh dear, you don't get it... It's not about age verification, it’s about data and who is harvesting it and what they use it for! It's not about FG claiming they don't store your data... as soon as you send it, it is harvested! TO LATE! "Who/what is LATE and why do they want to harvest anything? Oh dear, you simply don't get what I get: I recognise the all too prevalent data harvesting that goes on (who doesn't, FFS?) | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem
oh dear, you don't get it... It's not about age verification, it’s about data and who is harvesting it and what they use it for! It's not about FG claiming they don't store your data... as soon as you send it, it is harvested! TO LATE!
Who/what is LATE and why do they want to harvest anything?
Oh dear, you simply don't get what I get: I recognise the all too prevalent data harvesting that goes on (who doesn't, FFS?) "Will they have anything extra that's not already out there? | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem
oh dear, you don't get it... It's not about age verification, it’s about data and who is harvesting it and what they use it for! It's not about FG claiming they don't store your data... as soon as you send it, it is harvested! TO LATE!
Who/what is LATE and why do they want to harvest anything?
Oh dear, you simply don't get what I get: I recognise the all too prevalent data harvesting that goes on (who doesn't, FFS?)
Will they have anything extra that's not already out there?"Quite! (again) 😳😂 | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem
oh dear, you don't get it... It's not about age verification, it’s about data and who is harvesting it and what they use it for! It's not about FG claiming they don't store your data... as soon as you send it, it is harvested! TO LATE!
Who/what is LATE and why do they want to harvest anything?
Oh dear, you simply don't get what I get: I recognise the all too prevalent data harvesting that goes on (who doesn't, FFS?)
Will they have anything extra that's not already out there?
Quite! (again) 😳😂"Some people do not have social media or post personal (identifiable) images and information online. | |||
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"I can't imagine anyone (including site owners) being sorry to lose the users for whom age verification is a problem
oh dear, you don't get it... It's not about age verification, it’s about data and who is harvesting it and what they use it for! It's not about FG claiming they don't store your data... as soon as you send it, it is harvested! TO LATE!
Who/what is LATE and why do they want to harvest anything?
Oh dear, you simply don't get what I get: I recognise the all too prevalent data harvesting that goes on (who doesn't, FFS?)
Will they have anything extra that's not already out there?
Quite! (again) 😳😂
Some people do not have social media or post personal (identifiable) images and information online."They can still work a lot out about you without that by the content you look at, do you have a credit card, mobile phone adult content access... | |||
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"They can still work a lot out about you without that by the content you look at, do you have a credit card, mobile phone adult content access..." . Well, yes... ... but that is not the same as using the latter two of those (or even an image of your actual face as unchanging biometric data) to secure access to an adult gay/bi hookup site and linking those activities to your 'normal' life (for those on here not 'out') . | |||
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