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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done." . This is my Troll🤣 I have had him for couple years now lol. He reflects the facts from the topic.but I guess most on here of aware of him. Reality is, Food inflation is up 4.6 percent under this Goverment | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done." Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know! | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done. Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know!" . Might have something to do with massive tax hikes on businesses on the UK. More Costs for companies to suffer, increase in wages with rise of minimum wage under Labour. Nooooo can't be that. Must be war which has been on for many years now | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done. Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know!" . Weird energy?? Tariffs?? Wars?? All these have been in place long before Labour took over. Starmer promised to change all that. More money in our pockets lie. Stop illegal boat crossings. Lie. Settle strikes. Lie. Improve waiting times NHS. Lie. Stop ambulances parked up at hospitals. Lie. Etc etc. so Stop blaming the past. I understand you can't fix things overnight, so forget that excuse. Rishi was reducing inflation, Had protection in for elderly and vulnerable. Unemployment at all time low. Now look at the mess. Doctors going back out on strike. Here we go again | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done. Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know!. Might have something to do with massive tax hikes on businesses on the UK. More Costs for companies to suffer, increase in wages with rise of minimum wage under Labour. Nooooo can't be that. Must be war which has been on for many years now " Oh dear, someone has a bee under their bonnet. If you read what I wrote, I said the government certainly has a partial blame in what’s going on due to some of their policies, however we cannot ignore what else is going on in the world as causes for inflation to rise. Something tells me Mr Sleepflower was correct in his initial evaluation of you. I imagine if you were here during the glory years of 2021-2024 you probably blamed the state of our economy on Covid, Ukraine war, supply chains etc but never the government right? Just another one of those people who can’t handle that their team (although something tells me you don’t have the gravitas or self awareness to have a fixed team as that would mean you would have to admit your team is crap on occasion, you just follow whoever your media of choice tells you is the right team to support) lost. | |||
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"See inflation now has raised 4.6 percent on food in the UK. A cost that every family has to suffer every week. Still out Dear Prime Minister and co tells us how well there doing. On average £250 a year for the average family with two children" Explain how this is a lie. | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done. Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know!. Weird energy?? Tariffs?? Wars?? All these have been in place long before Labour took over. Starmer promised to change all that. More money in our pockets lie. Stop illegal boat crossings. Lie. Settle strikes. Lie. Improve waiting times NHS. Lie. Stop ambulances parked up at hospitals. Lie. Etc etc. so Stop blaming the past. I understand you can't fix things overnight, so forget that excuse. Rishi was reducing inflation, Had protection in for elderly and vulnerable. Unemployment at all time low. Now look at the mess. Doctors going back out on strike. Here we go again" Oh dear…maybe go sit in the garden or local garden centre, smell the roses and enjoy life. At your age this level of bitterness should not exist for things out of your control. There is a guy called Wim Hoff I believe who has some great breathing and grounding techniques that you may find useful. | |||
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"Food prices is only set by supply and demand over supplies and the prices come down its that simple no bearing on the cost of production " And here is today’s winner of the “Failure to understand Basic Economics” | |||
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"Food prices is only set by supply and demand over supplies and the prices come down its that simple no bearing on the cost of production " . Of course the cost of production influences the prices lol | |||
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"Tesco has put up the price of basic milk from £ 1.45 to £1.65. ( Disgusting rise) Whereas Farmfoods have kept theirs to £2.00 for TWO bottles" Buy it from Farmfoods then. Other things will be cheaper in Tesco though. Or ASDA, LIDL, ALDI etc | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done." Same old tricks, different colour tie. The hypocrisy of these types is unending | |||
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"Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know!" I suspect that there will be further increases in food prices later this year because of poor harvests due to the lack of rain. | |||
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"Oh is he one of those ones? When the conservatives were in power it was everyone but the governments fault but now the other team is in power it is only the governments fault? I mean, the government certainly has a part to play and must accept a portion of the blame with some of the policies fielded but we can’t ignore supply chain issues, wars and also uncertainty with global tariffs and the general weird energy that the world seems to be in right now. Also, let’s not let the unscrupulous supermarkets and retailers off the hook as they love any excuse to hike up prices as we all know! I suspect that there will be further increases in food prices later this year because of poor harvests due to the lack of rain." Possibly right, and of course less acreage available to grow crops having been given over to solar panels! Supply and demand will dictate. | |||
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"Oh dear…maybe go sit in the garden or local garden centre, smell the roses and enjoy life. At your age this level of bitterness should not exist for things out of your control. There is a guy called Wim Hoff I believe who has some great breathing and grounding techniques that you may find useful. . Very amusing, but as most on here know, I have gardens bigger than most Garden Centres. And as a Christian I don't have an ounce of bitterness in me. But on a serious note People are suffering. Frightened. And these promises made are not only lies, but things are getting much harder for many. So try and keep a conversation a little more grown up. I expect it from my little Troll. He has been suspended 3 times in past. But there are many people less fortunate in these down turn times" You have held Fabguy orgies in your garden for most people to know the size of your garden? Not very Christian to boast about the size of your garden though really is it? I’m not the most religious but something about “The meek shall inherit the earth” springs to mind. Anyhoo, people have been, and unfortunately will continue to be frightened throughout history and throughout the future most likely. As for keeping the conversation grown up, “my little troll” is hardly high brow now is it? Also your little rant with multiple question marks earlier screams teenage girl on Snapchat more than it does political debate. Maybe sell some of your gardens and donate the money to food banks? That would be a very Christian thing to do in my eyes. Why does one man need more than one garden? | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Tariffs?? Wars?? All these have been in place long before Labour took over. Starmer promised to change all that. More money in our pockets lie. Stop illegal boat crossings. Lie. Settle strikes. Lie. Improve waiting times NHS. Lie. Stop ambulances parked up at hospitals. Lie. Etc etc. so Stop blaming the past. I understand you can't fix things overnight, so forget that excuse. Rishi was reducing inflation, Had protection in for elderly and vulnerable. Unemployment at all time low. Now look at the mess. Doctors going back out on strike. Here we go again" Actually not true Tariffs Our special relationship with America means they only fucked us half as hard as the rest of Europe and that's new. Especially as we get so much food from usa owned supply chains which are now subject to reciprocal taxes from EU. Not Starmer. Improve NHS and stop selling off through incompetence, some headway , not a lot. More money in our pockets? Agree he hasn't done anything significant to improve this. Stop boat crossings he didn't say that he said he'd clear back log and improve situation , he has done net immigration is down boat crossings continue trend (but more slowly) that started under Tories. Rishi had already gutted the protections you say he had in place. He protected wealthy pensioners as his core vote but he weakened the triple lock as much as he could. The centre right under Starmer have simply continued Tories attack on low and middle incomes. He did stop the strikes, and yes there are now new ones but a fraction of the total he inherited. He's centre right , same as Blaire. And as such he's cannon fodder after years of corrupt and inept governance, to try and quieten public anger , before media hype the next right wing puppet to continue the feeding frenzy on public purse. How much of countries government services are now run at eye watering profit ? And for what ? The great public services we have? How much of the country is run by Serco? G4? Big six consultants? You want to know why the country is on its knees? Look where the money goes. Shop local. Buy local. Buy less. Vote local and independent too. Demand pr in elections. Stop the likes of Tuffton st and the governance by proxy. I'm afraid all of that takes effort folks. There are some very rich companies very happy that the British public will never bother to do that. | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done.. This is my Troll🤣 I have had him for couple years now lol. He reflects the facts from the topic.but I guess most on here of aware of him. Reality is, Food inflation is up 4.6 percent under this Goverment" Another Troll. Name a year when we haven't had inflation. Just one. Under any government. War time or peace or natural disasters. Just one year. I challenge you  | |||
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"Tesco has put up the price of basic milk from £ 1.45 to £1.65. ( Disgusting rise) Whereas Farmfoods have kept theirs to £2.00 for TWO bottles Buy it from Farmfoods then. Other things will be cheaper in Tesco though. Or ASDA, LIDL, ALDI etc" There's a great app called Trolley that I use sometimes when bulk buying a product. It publishes current prices of most food products sold at various supermarkets and can save you quite a lot of dosh. | |||
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"See inflation now has raised 4.6 percent on food in the UK. A cost that every family has to suffer every week. Still out Dear Prime Minister and co tells us how well there doing. On average £250 a year for the average family with two children" So, on average a £1.25 a week per person increase - doesnt seem that bad when you put it like that. The Tories left our economy right on its arse when booted out, so who do you think will do a better job at this time? Surely not that proper man and friend of the working class voter - Nige - and his party of very little substance with no other policies that don't involve turning around boats. | |||
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"The above two posts seem to be a rational outlook on the wider scope of the situation as opposed to what may be regarded as a more blinkered approach by the OP" . Nothing blinkered about 4.5 percent rise in inflation. Talking about the Tories, or Reform or abusing Farage just shows a mentality of the labour voters. Makeing childish sluts personally about me as false as they are is equally pointless. Fact remains that whoever bad people think last June might of been,vthe lies and false promises are all starting show now. This summertime. Goodness knows what the Autumn and winter will bring. Esp for vulnerable. We have Autumn budget not far away. | |||
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"With the tories it was running much higher!! " . Well that's not true. Under Rishi it was falling following the truss disaster and as of June 24 it had fallen to 4% now after all promises it's going back up 4.5 and rising | |||
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"The above two posts seem to be a rational outlook on the wider scope of the situation as opposed to what may be regarded as a more blinkered approach by the OP. Nothing blinkered about 4.5 percent rise in inflation. Talking about the Tories, or Reform or abusing Farage just shows a mentality of the labour voters. Makeing childish sluts personally about me as false as they are is equally pointless. Fact remains that whoever bad people think last June might have been,vthe lies and false promises are all starting show now. This summertime. Goodness knows what the Autumn and winter will bring. Esp for vulnerable. We have Autumn budget not far away. " Blinkered in your refusal to accept that global events impact inflation here as well as our governments actions. I’ve not mentioned sluts! I just pointed out elements of hypocrisy found in your post. Nothing to do with sluts. What you do behind closed doors is your own business. Pontificating on a relatively public forum however, leaves you open to be challenged as respectfully as possible, and sometimes not. | |||
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"The above two posts seem to be a rational outlook on the wider scope of the situation as opposed to what may be regarded as a more blinkered approach by the OP. Nothing blinkered about 4.5 percent rise in inflation. Talking about the Tories, or Reform or abusing Farage just shows a mentality of the labour voters. Makeing childish sluts personally about me as false as they are is equally pointless. Fact remains that whoever bad people think last June might have been,vthe lies and false promises are all starting show now. This summertime. Goodness knows what the Autumn and winter will bring. Esp for vulnerable. We have Autumn budget not far away. Blinkered in your refusal to accept that global events impact inflation here as well as our governments actions. I’ve not mentioned sluts! I just pointed out elements of hypocrisy found in your post. Nothing to do with sluts. What you do behind closed doors is your own business. Pontificating on a relatively public forum however, leaves you open to be challenged as respectfully as possible, and sometimes not. " I never mentioned sluts . Or closed doors lol No idea what your on but I suggest you cut dose down. Think your replying to someone else's post to you lol. Sent me a random text about me chilling and then block me. Cowardly act. I can assure you I am more than chilled. If you actually need me you would know that. But this is a thread about Labour poor performance. Not my personality. People like you should learn to respect people opinions without attacking them in cowardly man. Grow some Sir | |||
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"Each and every week when I do my weekly shop, I notice some items have gone up in price" Or quantities smaller | |||
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"Each and every week when I do my weekly shop, I notice some items have gone up in price" Fair point, that only started after the election. 2008 anyone? 😂 | |||
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"The above two posts seem to be a rational outlook on the wider scope of the situation as opposed to what may be regarded as a more blinkered approach by the OP. Nothing blinkered about 4.5 percent rise in inflation. Talking about the Tories, or Reform or abusing Farage just shows a mentality of the labour voters. Makeing childish sluts personally about me as false as they are is equally pointless. Fact remains that whoever bad people think last June might have been,vthe lies and false promises are all starting show now. This summertime. Goodness knows what the Autumn and winter will bring. Esp for vulnerable. We have Autumn budget not far away. Blinkered in your refusal to accept that global events impact inflation here as well as our governments actions. I’ve not mentioned sluts! I just pointed out elements of hypocrisy found in your post. Nothing to do with sluts. What you do behind closed doors is your own business. Pontificating on a relatively public forum however, leaves you open to be challenged as respectfully as possible, and sometimes not. I never mentioned sluts . Or closed doors lol No idea what your on but I suggest you cut dose down. Think your replying to someone else's post to you lol. Sent me a random text about me chilling and then block me. Cowardly act. I can assure you I am more than chilled. If you actually need me you would know that. But this is a thread about Labour poor performance. Not my personality. People like you should learn to respect people opinions without attacking them in cowardly man. Grow some Sir" Read your post again, you said personal sluts for some reason. Yes I sent you a text saying you should chill because your responses were akin to someone about to have increased blood pressure, and I blocked you because outside the forum I would like absolutely nothing to do with you. I did not insult you, I simply suggested you chill. I may be new here but having read the forum and site rules I am free to block who I want without cause or justification. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am on mind altering substances, I find that an abhorrent remark to make and I never came at you with those kinds of remarks. You have the gall to pontificate about me attacking your character and in the same breath, insinuate that I am ‘on’ something. I do respect your right to have an opinion, however I also have the right to challenge that opinion on a public forum. I can assure you they are big enough sir, no extra growth needed or wanted. 🙃 | |||
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"The above two posts seem to be a rational outlook on the wider scope of the situation as opposed to what may be regarded as a more blinkered approach by the OP. Nothing blinkered about 4.5 percent rise in inflation. Talking about the Tories, or Reform or abusing Farage just shows a mentality of the labour voters. Makeing childish sluts personally about me as false as they are is equally pointless. Fact remains that whoever bad people think last June might have been,vthe lies and false promises are all starting show now. This summertime. Goodness knows what the Autumn and winter will bring. Esp for vulnerable. We have Autumn budget not far away. Blinkered in your refusal to accept that global events impact inflation here as well as our governments actions. I’ve not mentioned sluts! I just pointed out elements of hypocrisy found in your post. Nothing to do with sluts. What you do behind closed doors is your own business. Pontificating on a relatively public forum however, leaves you open to be challenged as respectfully as possible, and sometimes not. I never mentioned sluts . Or closed doors lol No idea what your on but I suggest you cut dose down. Think your replying to someone else's post to you lol. Sent me a random text about me chilling and then block me. Cowardly act. I can assure you I am more than chilled. If you actually need me you would know that. But this is a thread about Labour poor performance. Not my personality. People like you should learn to respect people opinions without attacking them in cowardly man. Grow some Sir Read your post again, you said personal sluts for some reason. Yes I sent you a text saying you should chill because your responses were akin to someone about to have increased blood pressure, and I blocked you because outside the forum I would like absolutely nothing to do with you. I did not insult you, I simply suggested you chill. I may be new here but having read the forum and site rules I am free to block who I want without cause or justification. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am on mind altering substances, I find that an abhorrent remark to make and I never came at you with those kinds of remarks. You have the gall to pontificate about me attacking your character and in the same breath, insinuate that I am ‘on’ something. I do respect your right to have an opinion, however I also have the right to challenge that opinion on a public forum. I can assure you they are big enough sir, no extra growth needed or wanted. 🙃" . You don't have a right to judge or advise me on my mental state of mind. Only on my comments. If you don't want to communicate privately then block me first. Not sending me a rude message then block me. Schoolboy tactics.no idea what the slut bit is on about. Clearly a fantasy of yours | |||
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"See inflation now has raised 4.6 percent on food in the UK. A cost that every family has to suffer every week. Still out Dear Prime Minister and co tells us how well there doing. On average £250 a year for the average family with two children So, on average a £1.25 a week per person increase - doesnt seem that bad when you put it like that. The Tories left our economy right on its arse when booted out, so who do you think will do a better job at this time? Surely not that proper man and friend of the working class voter - Nige - and his party of very little substance with no other policies that don't involve turning around boats." . How does £250 a year equate to 1.25 a week. Average 4 person family spends £100 a week on food. That's at least £4.50 a week or £18.00 a month | |||
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"Oh dear…maybe go sit in the garden or local garden centre, smell the roses and enjoy life. At your age this level of bitterness should not exist for things out of your control. There is a guy called Wim Hoff I believe who has some great breathing and grounding techniques that you may find useful. . Very amusing, but as most on here know, I have gardens bigger than most Garden Centres. And as a Christian I don't have an ounce of bitterness in me. But on a serious note People are suffering. Frightened. And these promises made are not only lies, but things are getting much harder for many. So try and keep a conversation a little more grown up. I expect it from my little Troll. He has been suspended 3 times in past. But there are many people less fortunate in these down turn times You have held Fabguy orgies in your garden for most people to know the size of your garden? Not very Christian to boast about the size of your garden though really is it? I’m not the most religious but something about “The meek shall inherit the earth” springs to mind. Anyhoo, people have been, and unfortunately will continue to be frightened throughout history and throughout the future most likely. As for keeping the conversation grown up, “my little troll” is hardly high brow now is it? Also your little rant with multiple question marks earlier screams teenage girl on Snapchat more than it does political debate. Maybe sell some of your gardens and donate the money to food banks? That would be a very Christian thing to do in my eyes. Why does one man need more than one garden?" . Well the garden refers to an orchard as I live in the country. But as I was replying to stupid comments regarding me visiting a garden centre, I replied with a frivolous, if exaggerated reply. As for my little Troll comment. This is a guy who has got himself often into trouble due to his attacks on me These remarks stem from some time ago when he contacted me on a personal interest which I rejected. Abuse started so I blocked him. Since then he fires up on any thread opposing me. Very silly.I never reply to him as advised by the moderators. But he continues. Seriously not a problem. Hence little troll | |||
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"The above two posts seem to be a rational outlook on the wider scope of the situation as opposed to what may be regarded as a more blinkered approach by the OP. Nothing blinkered about 4.5 percent rise in inflation. Talking about the Tories, or Reform or abusing Farage just shows a mentality of the labour voters. Makeing childish sluts personally about me as false as they are is equally pointless. Fact remains that whoever bad people think last June might have been,vthe lies and false promises are all starting show now. This summertime. Goodness knows what the Autumn and winter will bring. Esp for vulnerable. We have Autumn budget not far away. Blinkered in your refusal to accept that global events impact inflation here as well as our governments actions. I’ve not mentioned sluts! I just pointed out elements of hypocrisy found in your post. Nothing to do with sluts. What you do behind closed doors is your own business. Pontificating on a relatively public forum however, leaves you open to be challenged as respectfully as possible, and sometimes not. I never mentioned sluts . Or closed doors lol No idea what your on but I suggest you cut dose down. Think your replying to someone else's post to you lol. Sent me a random text about me chilling and then block me. Cowardly act. I can assure you I am more than chilled. If you actually need me you would know that. But this is a thread about Labour poor performance. Not my personality. People like you should learn to respect people opinions without attacking them in cowardly man. Grow some Sir Read your post again, you said personal sluts for some reason. Yes I sent you a text saying you should chill because your responses were akin to someone about to have increased blood pressure, and I blocked you because outside the forum I would like absolutely nothing to do with you. I did not insult you, I simply suggested you chill. I may be new here but having read the forum and site rules I am free to block who I want without cause or justification. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am on mind altering substances, I find that an abhorrent remark to make and I never came at you with those kinds of remarks. You have the gall to pontificate about me attacking your character and in the same breath, insinuate that I am ‘on’ something. I do respect your right to have an opinion, however I also have the right to challenge that opinion on a public forum. I can assure you they are big enough sir, no extra growth needed or wanted. 🙃" . My apologies. I have seen it. Predicta text. Should of read childish Slur. Not slut. Refering to silly detrimental comment directed at me | |||
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"Oh dear…maybe go sit in the garden or local garden centre, smell the roses and enjoy life. At your age this level of bitterness should not exist for things out of your control. There is a guy called Wim Hoff I believe who has some great breathing and grounding techniques that you may find useful. . Very amusing, but as most on here know, I have gardens bigger than most Garden Centres. And as a Christian I don't have an ounce of bitterness in me. But on a serious note People are suffering. Frightened. And these promises made are not only lies, but things are getting much harder for many. So try and keep a conversation a little more grown up. I expect it from my little Troll. He has been suspended 3 times in past. But there are many people less fortunate in these down turn times You have held Fabguy orgies in your garden for most people to know the size of your garden? Not very Christian to boast about the size of your garden though really is it? I’m not the most religious but something about “The meek shall inherit the earth” springs to mind. Anyhoo, people have been, and unfortunately will continue to be frightened throughout history and throughout the future most likely. As for keeping the conversation grown up, “my little troll” is hardly high brow now is it? Also your little rant with multiple question marks earlier screams teenage girl on Snapchat more than it does political debate. Maybe sell some of your gardens and donate the money to food banks? That would be a very Christian thing to do in my eyes. Why does one man need more than one garden?. Well the garden refers to an orchard as I live in the country. But as I was replying to stupid comments regarding me visiting a garden centre, I replied with a frivolous, if exaggerated reply. As for my little Troll comment. This is a guy who has got himself often into trouble due to his attacks on me These remarks stem from some time ago when he contacted me on a personal interest which I rejected. Abuse started so I blocked him. Since then he fires up on any thread opposing me. Very silly.I never reply to him as advised by the moderators. But he continues. Seriously not a problem. Hence little troll" What the absolute bloody hell is this? For the benefit of everyone else this is all completely fabricated and he is clearly trying to provoke me. Your lies make the baby Jesus cry. | |||
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"How many of the food companies are making record profits from ripping the public off ?? Needs investigation " especially Heinz's and Mr Kipling | |||
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"Tesco has put up the price of basic milk from £ 1.45 to £1.65. ( Disgusting rise) Whereas Farmfoods have kept theirs to £2.00 for TWO bottles Buy it from Farmfoods then. Other things will be cheaper in Tesco though. Or ASDA, LIDL, ALDI etc" I Do. It was an observation as I am lucky enough to have Access to all the supermarkets within half a mile to where I live. I posted it for helpful information for other guys. | |||
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"My main peeve is the water companies. " There's still a problem with turds floating around in the English Channel. I think it goes by the name Farage. | |||
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"Food prices is only set by supply and demand over supplies and the prices come down its that simple no bearing on the cost of production " I wonder how you reached such an erroneous conclusion?? Food prices aren't solely set by supply and demand!! Production costs, such as labour, materials, and transportation and overheads have a direct impact on price. Ignoring these costs doesn't make the issue simple, it makes the view unrealistic!! | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done.. This is my Troll🤣 I have had him for couple years now lol. He reflects the facts from the topic.but I guess most on here of aware of him. Reality is, Food inflation is up 4.6 percent under this Goverment" Wasn't it up by 15% under tories Dave, or have you forgotten that? | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done.. This is my Troll🤣 I have had him for couple years now lol. He reflects the facts from the topic.but I guess most on here of aware of him. Reality is, Food inflation is up 4.6 percent under this Goverment Wasn't it up by 15% under tories Dave, or have you forgotten that?" No it was 11%. That was because of the pandemic and the Ukraine war. All additional expenditure of which I'm sure you approved of. | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done.. This is my Troll🤣 I have had him for couple years now lol. He reflects the facts from the topic.but I guess most on here of aware of him. Reality is, Food inflation is up 4.6 percent under this Goverment Wasn't it up by 15% under tories Dave, or have you forgotten that? No it was 11%. That was because of the pandemic and the Ukraine war. All additional expenditure of which I'm sure you approved of." Erm, there's still a war. Plus trying to fix all the shit left by the last lot. But you carry on believing its never the tories fault. | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Disinformation Dave would routinely make excuses for high inflation. He mysteriously stopped making excuses for it about 12 months ago for some reason. But not to worry, he'll be along shortly with some crappy, semi-literate disclaimer. Personally, I'm surprised that he hasn't blamed migrants for it like his new heroes, the Fagash Führer or Agent Orange would have done.. This is my Troll🤣 I have had him for couple years now lol. He reflects the facts from the topic.but I guess most on here of aware of him. Reality is, Food inflation is up 4.6 percent under this Goverment Wasn't it up by 15% under tories Dave, or have you forgotten that? No it was 11%. That was because of the pandemic and the Ukraine war. All additional expenditure of which I'm sure you approved of. Erm, there's still a war. Plus trying to fix all the shit left by the last lot. But you carry on believing its never the tories fault." There is also the Orange dickhead in The White House destabilising absolutely everything on a daily basis. | |||
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"It all you over 65s on here dislike the labour government so much why don't you march on 10 Downing Street and forcely remove them from office .." It's not only the over-65s. 80% of the electorate did not vote for them in the general election. | |||
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"Surprised Reeves hasn't tried pushing this line... "Inflation = Growth." That is, more fiat money is required to pay for essentials, and all transactions are bigger... this equates to more economic activity, and that's growth. No, it wasn't just the Tories'fault. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-blair-gordon-brown-carillion-capita-financial-crash-a8202661.html " forgotten brexit already? | |||
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"Just imagine if the Tories had stopped the boats and made a success of Brexit they may still be in power, instead they self destructed and made themselves totally unelectable. We are stuck with this labour lot until we next get the opportunity to put our cross in the box,so suck it up and remember we are all on this site for cock. " Cock aah yes. I hear theyre going to tax it in the autumn: less than 4 inches nuisance tax 5 percent. 4 to seven inches standard rate 20 percent. Above seven inches luxury tax 40 percent. Above 12 inches special tax breaks collected in person at the House of Commons. | |||
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"What a totally useless thread this is. Polemacists playing "Yah bo" games like school kids." The same old people trotting out the same old lines from their entrenched tribal positions. | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given " Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris." The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! " Yes because we don't want to look back at what actually ruined the country, we just want to blame who's in power now for everything. I can't wait for farage to get in, make everything worse, blame the courts for doing their job, try to stop any news channels they don't like and then see how many people blame starmer for what went before. Remember the just over a year ago the tories were still blaming for a fact there was a worldwide banking crash caused by America. Again, do have a day off ffs. | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! Eh no, if you are going to address criticism of something, you need to look at what the critic supports to infer what they think is a good alternative, then judge their criticism on that basis?" Ah yes because thest has no bearing on the present, from the party of Bozo who wanted to be Churchill, Truss who was a fake Thatcher and a party still in thrall to her… not excusing Starmers fall back, however as a nation we live far too much in the past…the good old days that never were.. | |||
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"Starmer keeps banging on and on about the previous government, Very tiresome as Liebour has been in government a year now and what an utter shambles. Before anyone abuses me of being a Tory etc, I have given up on political parties until there is someone decent who represents us with respect " It's hardly a new thing. The Tories spent 14 years blaming the previous Labour government for the global financial crisis. Remainers (of which I am one, just for transparency) still bang on about Brexit. Those who wanted Brexit in the first place spent 40 years banging on about Europe, indeed they still do now so you can add another 9 years on top of that. | |||
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"The forum is for most topics and interests as an extra on this site for the social side , not just for shags. " oh, very sorry, only a joke to try and lighten the mood over the ever evolving vitriol between two characters on this post. Good posts can become boring when consumed by nit picking and character attacks repeatedly. | |||
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"Yes they are just moaning tories without a leader, pay rises are averaging over 5% that's what's pushing up inflation, pensioners got 1.7% from April, their pay is based on the rpi/cpi in the previous September, so those on index linked need high inflation " Aye that’s a fair point and I didn’t look at the age of the OP. Another pensioner furious because… Well just because. | |||
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"Starmer keeps banging on and on about the previous government, Very tiresome as Liebour has been in government a year now and what an utter shambles. Before anyone abuses me of being a Tory etc, I have given up on political parties until there is someone decent who represents us with respect So your current thing is just to moan, moan and moan? " No dear, just posting my opinion as all on here entitled to and without denigrating anyone's posts on this subject. . Now, run along. | |||
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"See inflation now has raised 4.6 percent on food in the UK. A cost that every family has to suffer every week. Still out Dear Prime Minister and co tells us how well there doing. On average £250 a year for the average family with two children So, on average a £1.25 a week per person increase - doesnt seem that bad when you put it like that. The Tories left our economy right on its arse when booted out, so who do you think will do a better job at this time? Surely not that proper man and friend of the working class voter - Nige - and his party of very little substance with no other policies that don't involve turning around boats.. How does £250 a year equate to 1.25 a week. Average 4 person family spends £100 a week on food. That's at least £4.50 a week or £18.00 a month" You said on average a £250 increase on a family of 4 - i'm assuming by that you mean an extra £250 to what is being paid. So - using YOUR figures £250 pa equates to £5 approx per week. Divide that by 4 family members equates to £1.25 per week 🤷 | |||
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"Are you saying that you think this government has the capacity to “clear up the mess’? I don’t mind them saying they are going to clear up 15 years of Tory misrule. However they are giving every indication of making things far worse. I can think of nothing that they have done I or intend to do that’s going to improve anything. Mind you, it’s hard to think of anyone who could. Yes it would be hard for anyone to clear up the mess and it is going to take a long time especially with the £3tn+ debt - the interest payments alone are eye watering and this limits what can be done with the public finances. However some of the non-financial issues are a result of brexit we could have returned people crossing in small boats before brexit under the Dublin agreement (but governments didn’t). It isn’t a crime in German law to help traffic migrants if their destination is not in the EU [which means us since brexit] (in the news today) Germany are in the process of changing their law so that action can be taken where warehouses are being used to store the boats and engines. Finances well yes, it is costing us to house and feed illegals. Problem was the backlog because previous government cut the number of people processing the claims and you can’t remove them until their claim has been processed and decided. Current government has increased people doing the processing and by (I think it was) March this year had removed 19k - figures available on gov web site- just not very well publicised in the media because it sells more copy if they go on about those arriving. So there are things going on but we don’t get to hear about them that much." I wasn't referring specifically to immigration Since you mention Brexit and the Dublin agreement said agreement has not been a success either for us or anyone else. In 2018 for example 215 asylum seekers were transferred (mostly from Greece) INTO the UK and 209 OUT of the UK under the agreement. Big deal. | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! Yes because we don't want to look back at what actually ruined the country, we just want to blame who's in power now for everything. I can't wait for farage to get in, make everything worse, blame the courts for doing their job, try to stop any news channels they don't like and then see how many people blame starmer for what went before. Remember the just over a year ago the tories were still blaming for a fact there was a worldwide banking crash caused by America. Again, do have a day off ffs." Mr "_espectdue (How ironic!). Dragging Boris into this three years after he left office is now a lame and tired defence of the mess Starmer's government has created and is continuing to do so. When Labour took over, the economy was in a much better state, with a more stable foundation for growth, a commitment to fiscal responsibility, and plans to cut taxes and support businesses. Now, Labour's struggling to manage immigration, dismantling public services, driving up taxes, and fuelling economic instability. Not to mention the inadequate solutions to the cost of living crisis, the weakening of national security, the NHS backlog, and rising energy costs. Instead of pointing fingers at the past, how about we focus on fixing the mess the government are making today? The jibe about having a day off was really childish, and now a repeat of the 'AI chatbot' quip - let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on substance, if that's at all within your capabilities of course. What are Labour's plan to adequately address these urgent issues? Please do kindly enlighten us. | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! Yes because we don't want to look back at what actually ruined the country, we just want to blame who's in power now for everything. I can't wait for farage to get in, make everything worse, blame the courts for doing their job, try to stop any news channels they don't like and then see how many people blame starmer for what went before. Remember the just over a year ago the tories were still blaming for a fact there was a worldwide banking crash caused by America. Again, do have a day off ffs. Mr "_espectdue (How ironic!). Dragging Boris into this three years after he left office is now a lame and tired defence of the mess Starmer's government has created and is continuing to do so. When Labour took over, the economy was in a much better state, with a more stable foundation for growth, a commitment to fiscal responsibility, and plans to cut taxes and support businesses. Now, Labour's struggling to manage immigration, dismantling public services, driving up taxes, and fuelling economic instability. Not to mention the inadequate solutions to the cost of living crisis, the weakening of national security, the NHS backlog, and rising energy costs. Instead of pointing fingers at the past, how about we focus on fixing the mess the government are making today? The jibe about having a day off was really childish, and now a repeat of the 'AI chatbot' quip - let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on substance, if that's at all within your capabilities of course. What are Labour's plan to adequately address these urgent issues? Please do kindly enlighten us. " | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! Yes because we don't want to look back at what actually ruined the country, we just want to blame who's in power now for everything. I can't wait for farage to get in, make everything worse, blame the courts for doing their job, try to stop any news channels they don't like and then see how many people blame starmer for what went before. Remember the just over a year ago the tories were still blaming for a fact there was a worldwide banking crash caused by America. Again, do have a day off ffs. Mr "_espectdue (How ironic!). Dragging Boris into this three years after he left office is now a lame and tired defence of the mess Starmer's government has created and is continuing to do so. When Labour took over, the economy was in a much better state, with a more stable foundation for growth, a commitment to fiscal responsibility, and plans to cut taxes and support businesses. Now, Labour's struggling to manage immigration, dismantling public services, driving up taxes, and fuelling economic instability. Not to mention the inadequate solutions to the cost of living crisis, the weakening of national security, the NHS backlog, and rising energy costs. Instead of pointing fingers at the past, how about we focus on fixing the mess the government are making today? The jibe about having a day off was really childish, and now a repeat of the 'AI chatbot' quip - let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on substance, if that's at all within your capabilities of course. What are Labour's plan to adequately address these urgent issues? Please do kindly enlighten us. " Probably like the Chancellor, hasn't got a clue! Many financial organisations are now blaming government policy for the current situation the economy is in. Reeves herself said raising NI is a tax on jobs. We can now clearly see that for ourselves. The public sector consumes and the private sector supplies. The balance is currently wrong and needs addressing. Caving in on welfare won't help resolve this. Starmer bottled it! | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! Yes because we don't want to look back at what actually ruined the country, we just want to blame who's in power now for everything. I can't wait for farage to get in, make everything worse, blame the courts for doing their job, try to stop any news channels they don't like and then see how many people blame starmer for what went before. Remember the just over a year ago the tories were still blaming for a fact there was a worldwide banking crash caused by America. Again, do have a day off ffs. Mr "_espectdue (How ironic!). Dragging Boris into this three years after he left office is now a lame and tired defence of the mess Starmer's government has created and is continuing to do so. When Labour took over, the economy was in a much better state, with a more stable foundation for growth, a commitment to fiscal responsibility, and plans to cut taxes and support businesses. Now, Labour's struggling to manage immigration, dismantling public services, driving up taxes, and fuelling economic instability. Not to mention the inadequate solutions to the cost of living crisis, the weakening of national security, the NHS backlog, and rising energy costs. Instead of pointing fingers at the past, how about we focus on fixing the mess the government are making today? The jibe about having a day off was really childish, and now a repeat of the 'AI chatbot' quip - let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on substance, if that's at all within your capabilities of course. What are Labour's plan to adequately address these urgent issues? Please do kindly enlighten us. Probably like the Chancellor, hasn't got a clue! Many financial organisations are now blaming government policy for the current situation the economy is in. Reeves herself said raising NI is a tax on jobs. We can now clearly see that for ourselves. The public sector consumes and the private sector supplies. The balance is currently wrong and needs addressing. Caving in on welfare won't help resolve this. Starmer bottled it!" And therein lies the problem… the public sector enables…roads, infrastructure, NHS etc, it may not be as efficient as it could be, but neither is the private sector that avoids tax and then moans about the state of the roads/ workers health/education etc…simplistic consume/supply statements are just that and help no one. | |||
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"Liebour by name Liebour by nature look at all the freebies Starmer been given Oh do have a day off ffs. Nothing compared to Boris. The instantly recognisable political ploy of deflection exemplified!! The issue here is the diabolical mess Starmer et al are creating now, let's focus on on the here and now and not what Boris did some three years ago! Yes because we don't want to look back at what actually ruined the country, we just want to blame who's in power now for everything. I can't wait for farage to get in, make everything worse, blame the courts for doing their job, try to stop any news channels they don't like and then see how many people blame starmer for what went before. Remember the just over a year ago the tories were still blaming for a fact there was a worldwide banking crash caused by America. Again, do have a day off ffs. Mr "_espectdue (How ironic!). Dragging Boris into this three years after he left office is now a lame and tired defence of the mess Starmer's government has created and is continuing to do so. When Labour took over, the economy was in a much better state, with a more stable foundation for growth, a commitment to fiscal responsibility, and plans to cut taxes and support businesses. Now, Labour's struggling to manage immigration, dismantling public services, driving up taxes, and fuelling economic instability. Not to mention the inadequate solutions to the cost of living crisis, the weakening of national security, the NHS backlog, and rising energy costs. Instead of pointing fingers at the past, how about we focus on fixing the mess the government are making today? The jibe about having a day off was really childish, and now a repeat of the 'AI chatbot' quip - let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on substance, if that's at all within your capabilities of course. What are Labour's plan to adequately address these urgent issues? Please do kindly enlighten us. " I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? " Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. " Im sure you can look any initiatives up for yourself. Glad you've notice that waiting lists are down after only a year in power contrary to your earlier statement. | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. Im sure you can look any initiatives up for yourself. Glad you've notice that waiting lists are down after only a year in power contrary to your earlier statement. Mr "_espectdue", Your response is tellingly evasive. Given the gravity of the issues at hand the public deserves more than vague assurances and deflection. Instead of providing concrete plans or initiatives, you've chosen to sidestep the question and imply that others should do their own research. It seems you're also unfamiliar with the basic concept of debating, where one responds to arguments and evidence presented rather than sidestepping them. When questioned about these critical issues at PMQs, the Prime Minister's responses have been similarly lacking in substance you are clearly following his erroneous lead! It's time for detailed, actionable policies, not more evasion! Although given the inferior quality of your previous responses it seems that further engagement will be pointlessly futile, so will close the discussion here without further ado! " Is Mr RespectDue an MP? How can he give you concrete plans and initiatives? Maybe a strongly worded letter to your MP may yield the information you seek. Unfortunately Mr Devanian, utopia is unachievable especially in 12 months, especially with the _ountain to climb in order to just get a fleeing glimpse of Utopia, let alone achieve it. Small progress is being made in some sectors but also lacking in others. The money tree is non existent and there are only so many hours in a day for significant progress to be made. Why don’t we wait until a few years have passed and then we will be in a better position to judge the current governments performance. Would you not agree? Bickering and expecting genuine political information on a homoerotic site seems like a futile exercise to me. I am ok with the bickering as it passes the time, however genuine political enlightenment in here is never going to happen. We will not have a change of government for a few more years yet so let’s just buckle up for the ride and have some fun along the way. | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. Im sure you can look any initiatives up for yourself. Glad you've notice that waiting lists are down after only a year in power contrary to your earlier statement. Mr "_espectdue", Your response is tellingly evasive. Given the gravity of the issues at hand the public deserves more than vague assurances and deflection. Instead of providing concrete plans or initiatives, you've chosen to sidestep the question and imply that others should do their own research. It seems you're also unfamiliar with the basic concept of debating, where one responds to arguments and evidence presented rather than sidestepping them. When questioned about these critical issues at PMQs, the Prime Minister's responses have been similarly lacking in substance you are clearly following his erroneous lead! It's time for detailed, actionable policies, not more evasion! Although given the inferior quality of your previous responses it seems that further engagement will be pointlessly futile, so will close the discussion here without further ado! " Jesus, what an entitled response. I've proved you are wrong on a few points and you still want details that none of us yet have. You sould like a petulant child so in you insistence that we stop debating I will say. Be a good lad and on your way. Tata. | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. Im sure you can look any initiatives up for yourself. Glad you've notice that waiting lists are down after only a year in power contrary to your earlier statement. Mr "_espectdue", Your response is tellingly evasive. Given the gravity of the issues at hand the public deserves more than vague assurances and deflection. Instead of providing concrete plans or initiatives, you've chosen to sidestep the question and imply that others should do their own research. It seems you're also unfamiliar with the basic concept of debating, where one responds to arguments and evidence presented rather than sidestepping them. When questioned about these critical issues at PMQs, the Prime Minister's responses have been similarly lacking in substance you are clearly following his erroneous lead! It's time for detailed, actionable policies, not more evasion! Although given the inferior quality of your previous responses it seems that further engagement will be pointlessly futile, so will close the discussion here without further ado! Jesus, what an entitled response. I've proved you are wrong on a few points and you still want details that none of us yet have. You sould like a petulant child so in you insistence that we stop debating I will say. Be a good lad and on your way. Tata." Mr "_espectdue", Your characteristic condescending tone and personal attacks are not only unwarranted but also intellectually bankrupt. Dismissing valid concerns with petulant remarks only serves to undermine constructive debate, draw ridicule to the originator, and expose the depths of your own vacuity. I shall stand aside and let you revel in your pointless pennyworth, clearly, further engagement would be a total waste of due effort. | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. Im sure you can look any initiatives up for yourself. Glad you've notice that waiting lists are down after only a year in power contrary to your earlier statement. Mr "_espectdue", Your response is tellingly evasive. Given the gravity of the issues at hand the public deserves more than vague assurances and deflection. Instead of providing concrete plans or initiatives, you've chosen to sidestep the question and imply that others should do their own research. It seems you're also unfamiliar with the basic concept of debating, where one responds to arguments and evidence presented rather than sidestepping them. When questioned about these critical issues at PMQs, the Prime Minister's responses have been similarly lacking in substance you are clearly following his erroneous lead! It's time for detailed, actionable policies, not more evasion! Although given the inferior quality of your previous responses it seems that further engagement will be pointlessly futile, so will close the discussion here without further ado! Jesus, what an entitled response. I've proved you are wrong on a few points and you still want details that none of us yet have. You sould like a petulant child so in you insistence that we stop debating I will say. Be a good lad and on your way. Tata. Mr "_espectdue", Your characteristic condescending tone and personal attacks are not only unwarranted but also intellectually bankrupt. Dismissing valid concerns with petulant remarks only serves to undermine constructive debate, draw ridicule to the originator, and expose the depths of your own vacuity. I shall stand aside and let you revel in your pointless pennyworth, clearly, further engagement would be a total waste of due effort. " Here's the thing you state so many times "I'm going to close the debate" or words to that effect and always come back because you love to have the last word - watch this space... | |||
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"I didn't say anything about an ai chatbot, that was other pointing out your tendencies. Why are you saying Labour havent got a plan to solve the immigration problem, they are doing more to sort that in the last year than the tories did in 14 years. NHS waiting lists are coming down, they again are having to still fix the mess left to them before, they are still having problem with doctors strikes because tories haven't paid them properly for at least 8 years. The same goes for most public services. Prisons were left at breaking point, so they've had to try to sort that out. The tory government were completely out of long term plans, admittedly they made it look good for about a year because there was an election coming up, but the same problems would have come home to roost eventually. You have to fix the past before you can build and yes they have made some dodgy decisions, but as many have pointed out. Liz Truss. Liar Johnson. Grown up enough for you? Mr. _espectdue, my apologies for the earlier misunderstanding regarding the 'AI bot' comment, which I now understand was made by one of fellow Labour supporters and then subsequently endorsed by yourself. Now to the subject in question:- There are major concerns about the effectiveness of Labour's policies. For instance, the latest figures on net migration show a significant increase, with over 1.2 million more people entering the UK than leaving in the past year. Similarly, the NHS waiting list reductions, while welcome, are modest, with over 7.5 million people still waiting for treatment and average wait times exceeding 18 weeks. The ongoing doctors' strikes highlight the need for effective management of public services and fair pay negotiations. I would appreciate it if you could share specific plans or initiatives the government has in place to tackle these pressing issues. The public is looking for meaningful progress, and it's crucial we focus on delivering results. I notice your futile attempt at sarcasm; let's keep the focus on substance instead. Rather than trading barbs, I'd appreciate concrete examples of how Labour's plans will address these issues. Im sure you can look any initiatives up for yourself. Glad you've notice that waiting lists are down after only a year in power contrary to your earlier statement. Mr "_espectdue", Your response is tellingly evasive. Given the gravity of the issues at hand the public deserves more than vague assurances and deflection. Instead of providing concrete plans or initiatives, you've chosen to sidestep the question and imply that others should do their own research. It seems you're also unfamiliar with the basic concept of debating, where one responds to arguments and evidence presented rather than sidestepping them. When questioned about these critical issues at PMQs, the Prime Minister's responses have been similarly lacking in substance you are clearly following his erroneous lead! It's time for detailed, actionable policies, not more evasion! Although given the inferior quality of your previous responses it seems that further engagement will be pointlessly futile, so will close the discussion here without further ado! Jesus, what an entitled response. I've proved you are wrong on a few points and you still want details that none of us yet have. You sould like a petulant child so in you insistence that we stop debating I will say. Be a good lad and on your way. Tata. Mr "_espectdue", Your characteristic condescending tone and personal attacks are not only unwarranted but also intellectually bankrupt. Dismissing valid concerns with petulant remarks only serves to undermine constructive debate, draw ridicule to the originator, and expose the depths of your own vacuity. I shall stand aside and let you revel in your pointless pennyworth, clearly, further engagement would be a total waste of due effort. " And yet you still do. I haven't personally attacked you at all. Just pointed out your shortcomings in debating. Now run along, there's a good boy.  | |||
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"This Labour government's incompetence is clear! Under Starmer, they've shown a reckless disregard for the country's finances, increasing taxes and spending without a plan. Their economic policies will stifle growth and burden taxpayers. They've also failed to deliver on key issues such as immigration, law and order, and national security. Instead of focusing on the needs of ordinary people, they've prioritised ideology over practical solutions. Starmer's leadership has been marked by indecision and division within his cabinet. Ministers seem more interested in advancing their own careers than serving the public. It's not just at Westminster where Labour's failures are evident. Here in Wales, the Labour-run Senedd has been a catalogue of failures. The disastrous 20mph speed limit debacle, which squandered millions of pounds then resulted in yet another Labour 'U-turn' is a prime example of their ill-conceived policies. Meanwhile, the state of NHS Wales has deteriorated to become one of the worst in the UK. Furthermore, the Senedd's neglect of North Wales is stark, with projects like the abandoned A494 - A55 North Wales Expressway link road in my area being a prime example of their waste and incompetence, where millions of pounds were spent on rehousing families and demolishing homes, only to be cancelled without delivering any benefits. These failures are symptomatic of a broader incompetence that has plagued the Senedd under Labour's leadership. It's astonishing that some still refuse to acknowledge the government's failures, despite the evidence being plain for all to see. The facts are undeniable, yet a vocal few cling to their party loyalty, no matter how poorly the country is served. The Labour government has proven itself unfit to govern. They need to take responsibility for their failures!" .... ... 🏴 The notion Labour have spent without a plan beggars belief. Of course things aren't going as well as hoped but to suggest there is no strategic vision is glib nonsense. It's also mere rhetoric to argue Labour's program for National Renewal is immersed in ideology. When has any cabinet minister talked up ideology (socialism)? I can't think of any instances. Have independent commentators talked of an ideologically driven administration? I've heard nothing. Your belief of failure in terms of immigration overlooks the success of Yvette Cooper in considerably reducing the Home Office asylum backlog. The belief that Ministers are more interested in career advancement overlooks the obvious, politicians regardless of party often seek to do so. In terms of Wales, surely the Welsh Labour Party's performance has to be perceived separately from Starmer's administration- which is what your criticism is essentially about? The irony being why Labour was elected. The electorate delivered it's verdict on the ineptitude of tory governance- including the economic disaster of Trussism and the plethora of sleaze. No what we have here is an exercise in uber-allegiance in which objectivity takes a back seat. | |||
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"Labour's spending spree isn't strategic, it's reckless. Their policies are driven by ideology, not common sense. Reducing the asylum backlog is a basic government duty, not a success. Labour's infighting and lack of direction are clear. Labour in Wales and Labour in Westminster are one and the same party, with the same leadership and policies. The failures in Wales, like the 20mph debacle and NHS collapse, are a direct reflection of their broader approach to governance. As for Labour's election win it doesn't mean Labour's policies are sound. The electorate who voted against the Conservatives are now experiencing the dire consequences of Labour's failures and are now realise with deep regret their mistake at the ballot box! This isn't about blind allegiance to the previous government; it's about holding the current one accountable for their actions. Labour's track record speaks for itself – they're not delivering on their promises, and it's time they took responsibility for their mistakes." ... ..🏴 More glibness re ideology. Where's the evidence to back up what is a notion drenched in allegiance. Any serious student of politics would baulk at such chat. Are independent commentators talking of an ideologically driven administration? They aren't. The Labour Party is firmly of the middle ground now. What ideology envelops such a position? It's not socialism? Has it got a name? A basic duty? That would mean failure on an epic scale from tory administrations. Does Keir Starmer have control over the levers of Welsh governance? Does Rachel Reeves control budgets? Did you judge the Johnson administration via a collection of soundbites after it's first year in office? Course you didn't. No, what we have here is classic blind allegiance. The absurdity of the notion that there is no plan beggars belief. They are not making it up on the hoof. If you actually examined what the Chancellor has consistently said, it would be obvious that they are not making it up on the hoof. | |||
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"The problem with politicians lying is that the majority of them do it no matter what party they are in. Also when asked a question, most of them don't answer directly. Sadly I don't know the best way to rectify this problem." I agree. How often do you hear the mp digress to a question or say. "I'm not going to go into that" I don't want it but in the past the only thing that had shook up government , albeit temporarily, is war. God forbid. | |||
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"This Labour government's incompetence is clear! Under Starmer, they've shown a reckless disregard for the country's finances, increasing taxes and spending without a plan. Their economic policies will stifle growth and burden taxpayers. They've also failed to deliver on key issues such as immigration, law and order, and national security. Instead of focusing on the needs of ordinary people, they've prioritised ideology over practical solutions. Starmer's leadership has been marked by indecision and division within his cabinet. Ministers seem more interested in advancing their own careers than serving the public. It's not just at Westminster where Labour's failures are evident. Here in Wales, the Labour-run Senedd has been a catalogue of failures. The disastrous 20mph speed limit debacle, which squandered millions of pounds then resulted in yet another Labour 'U-turn' is a prime example of their ill-conceived policies. Meanwhile, the state of NHS Wales has deteriorated to become one of the worst in the UK. Furthermore, the Senedd's neglect of North Wales is stark, with projects like the abandoned A494 - A55 North Wales Expressway link road in my area being a prime example of their waste and incompetence, where millions of pounds were spent on rehousing families and demolishing homes, only to be cancelled without delivering any benefits. These failures are symptomatic of a broader incompetence that has plagued the Senedd under Labour's leadership. It's astonishing that some still refuse to acknowledge the government's failures, despite the evidence being plain for all to see. The facts are undeniable, yet a vocal few cling to their party loyalty, no matter how poorly the country is served. The Labour government has proven itself unfit to govern. They need to take responsibility for their failures!" Oh I thought you weren't going to speak any more. So can't keep a promise, much like the tories and reform then I guess. Where to start on your latest wordy rant. On Labour not having a financial plan, you clearly missed the budget. Failures on immigration. Im pretty sure they have already sent more back than the previous government. They have the beginnings of a deal with France and have just made a deal with Germany where they find the manufacturers of the boats and engines of the (dingies) and cut them off at source, remember the idea to smash the gangs, thats the rational behind it. How much did the last government do on communicating with our European friends? The Welsh Labour government and therefore its NHS are part funded by Westminster, which has been tory led for 14 years, they do the same to local labour authorities, underfund them because they want power back. As for Labour mps only wanting to advance their careers, the reason most of the new government policies have either failed or had to be adapted is because their own mps are being answerable to their own constituents. So actually quite the opposite really, if you think about it, which you won't. Obviously. | |||
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"Labour's spending spree isn't strategic, it's reckless. Their policies are driven by ideology, not common sense. Reducing the asylum backlog is a basic government duty, not a success. Labour's infighting and lack of direction are clear. Labour in Wales and Labour in Westminster are one and the same party, with the same leadership and policies. The failures in Wales, like the 20mph debacle and NHS collapse, are a direct reflection of their broader approach to governance. As for Labour's election win it doesn't mean Labour's policies are sound. The electorate who voted against the Conservatives are now experiencing the dire consequences of Labour's failures and are now realise with deep regret their mistake at the ballot box! This isn't about blind allegiance to the previous government; it's about holding the current one accountable for their actions. Labour's track record speaks for itself – they're not delivering on their promises, and it's time they took responsibility for their mistakes. ... ..🏴 More glibness re ideology. Where's the evidence to back up what is a notion drenched in allegiance. Any serious student of politics would baulk at such chat. Are independent commentators talking of an ideologically driven administration? They aren't. The Labour Party is firmly of the middle ground now. What ideology envelops such a position? It's not socialism? Has it got a name? A basic duty? That would mean failure on an epic scale from tory administrations. Does Keir Starmer have control over the levers of Welsh governance? Does Rachel Reeves control budgets? Did you judge the Johnson administration via a collection of soundbites after it's first year in office? Course you didn't. No, what we have here is classic blind allegiance. The absurdity of the notion that there is no plan beggars belief. They are not making it up on the hoof. If you actually examined what the Chancellor has consistently said, it would be obvious that they are not making it up on the hoof. " Claims that Labour isn't ideologically driven are utterly unfounded and demonstrate a clear disregard for evidence. Labour's policies, such as the £28 billion green investment pledge, demonstrate a clear set of priorities and values that are rooted in their ideological perspective. Independent commentators have indeed noted the ideological underpinnings of Labour's policies, and it's dishonest to suggest otherwise. The notion that being in the 'middle ground' means Labour isn't driven by ideology is a misleading attempt to downplay their clear policy direction. As PM, Starmer directly influences national policies impacting Wales, and Rachel Reeves, as Chancellor, controls budgets and fiscal policy whilst the Senedd has its own limited powers. Labour's approach may appear planned, but concerns about lack of fiscal analysis and potential risks warrant serious scrutiny, not blind dismissal. The Chancellor's statements suggest a clear direction, but practical implications remain debatable, and it's the duty of serious commentators to interrogate these claims. Blind allegiance to a party line isn't about critically evaluating policies; it's about dismissing valid concerns without evidence and ignoring potential flaws. Serious students of politics would examine the evidence and implications of Labour's policies, rather than simply denying their ideological basis or ignoring potential risks. Anything less is a failure of critical analysis! | |||
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"This Labour government's incompetence is clear! Under Starmer, they've shown a reckless disregard for the country's finances, increasing taxes and spending without a plan. Their economic policies will stifle growth and burden taxpayers. They've also failed to deliver on key issues such as immigration, law and order, and national security. Instead of focusing on the needs of ordinary people, they've prioritised ideology over practical solutions. Starmer's leadership has been marked by indecision and division within his cabinet. Ministers seem more interested in advancing their own careers than serving the public. It's not just at Westminster where Labour's failures are evident. Here in Wales, the Labour-run Senedd has been a catalogue of failures. The disastrous 20mph speed limit debacle, which squandered millions of pounds then resulted in yet another Labour 'U-turn' is a prime example of their ill-conceived policies. Meanwhile, the state of NHS Wales has deteriorated to become one of the worst in the UK. Furthermore, the Senedd's neglect of North Wales is stark, with projects like the abandoned A494 - A55 North Wales Expressway link road in my area being a prime example of their waste and incompetence, where millions of pounds were spent on rehousing families and demolishing homes, only to be cancelled without delivering any benefits. These failures are symptomatic of a broader incompetence that has plagued the Senedd under Labour's leadership. It's astonishing that some still refuse to acknowledge the government's failures, despite the evidence being plain for all to see. The facts are undeniable, yet a vocal few cling to their party loyalty, no matter how poorly the country is served. The Labour government has proven itself unfit to govern. They need to take responsibility for their failures! Oh I thought you weren't going to speak any more. So can't keep a promise, much like the tories and reform then I guess. Where to start on your latest wordy rant. On Labour not having a financial plan, you clearly missed the budget. Failures on immigration. Im pretty sure they have already sent more back than the previous government. They have the beginnings of a deal with France and have just made a deal with Germany where they find the manufacturers of the boats and engines of the (dingies) and cut them off at source, remember the idea to smash the gangs, thats the rational behind it. How much did the last government do on communicating with our European friends? The Welsh Labour government and therefore its NHS are part funded by Westminster, which has been tory led for 14 years, they do the same to local labour authorities, underfund them because they want power back. As for Labour mps only wanting to advance their careers, the reason most of the new government policies have either failed or had to be adapted is because their own mps are being answerable to their own constituents. So actually quite the opposite really, if you think about it, which you won't. Obviously. " I've previously addressed you Mr _espectdue, nothing further to add to what I've already said! | |||
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