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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again."  | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her consituents? ... I think we'll be a long time waiting to find out. " Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her consituents? ... I think we'll be a long time waiting to find out. " I'm not a fan of her but by accounts from her constituency,she's very popular and liked and has done good work. I don't know personally but we should be fair | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her consituents? ... I think we'll be a long time waiting to find out. Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years" Best option... or least worst? | |||
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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again." challenging wank lol | |||
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"Would someone please tell me what she said?" Usual nonsense. | |||
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"Jewish people and travellers don't face the same type of racism as black and brown people because they don't look immediately 'different'" She has a point, in my opinion. Some people have taken her comment out of context, deliberately. | |||
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"Jewish people and travellers don't face the same type of racism as black and brown people because they don't look immediately 'different'" I mean, is she lying? | |||
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"Jewish people and travellers don't face the same type of racism as black and brown people because they don't look immediately 'different' I mean, is she lying?" I think she has a point. | |||
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"Jewish people and travellers don't face the same type of racism as black and brown people because they don't look immediately 'different' She has a point, in my opinion. Some people have taken her comment out of context, deliberately." As per usual. And her statement wasn't wrong. | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on " Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣 | |||
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"Didn't stop Hitler murdering millions of both groups in the name of racial cleansing. So, no, racism is clearly not just about the colour of your skin." That isnt what she was saying though. But taking your example here, Jews in Nazi Germany were identified by having their papers marked marked as Jews. Those that managed to be smuggled out did so by getting false documents that weren't stamped as Jews. This is obviously different to people with black or brown skin. This isn't saying there's a hierarchy, just that it's different. | |||
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"Didn't stop Hitler murdering millions of both groups in the name of racial cleansing. So, no, racism is clearly not just about the colour of your skin. That isnt what she was saying though. But taking your example here, Jews in Nazi Germany were identified by having their papers marked marked as Jews. Those that managed to be smuggled out did so by getting false documents that weren't stamped as Jews. This is obviously different to people with black or brown skin. This isn't saying there's a hierarchy, just that it's different. " This makes a lot of sense | |||
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"How is she still a MP , I would be fired if I said anything racist but I am a white male I’m not allowed to say anything out of term ! " She is an MP because the majority of her constituents elect her, as they have done for more than 40 years. That is with an electorate with a very large number of Jewish people and she is not anti Semitic in any way.] | |||
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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again." What was antisemitic about her comments? | |||
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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again. What was antisemitic about her comments? " NOTHING] | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣" Well she did earn a masters degree, what did you get? | |||
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"How is she still a MP , I would be fired if I said anything racist but I am a white male I’m not allowed to say anything out of term ! " 😂😂 | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣 Well she did earn a masters degree, what did you get? " 👍👍👍👍] | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣 Well she did earn a masters degree, what did you get? " Oh hear we go intellectual elitist response. I can't believe it. She can hardly put together a convincing sentence, during pmq! But she's backed down from her apology so her words mean nothing! Masters or not! | |||
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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again. What was antisemitic about her comments? " Hopefully OP responds | |||
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"Jews and Travellers aren't a race, so how can they suffer from/experience racism? " They are members of minority communities so of course they can experience racism, it may be slightly different as D Abbot said but it is still racism.] | |||
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"Would someone please tell me what she said?" Well it comes down to certain groups of people (e.g. black, Indian, oriental) can suffer from racism in a different way to say Irish, travelers and jewish people because for the former groups they are obviously in those groups where for the latter it is not immediately obvious just from looking at them. Which to be fair to her is quite true. Think about this could someone tell that you are gay or bi just be seeing you in the street in order to single you out for homophobic abuse, or would they have to get to know you first to find out? That is the essence of what her proposition is. | |||
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"Would someone please tell me what she said? Well it comes down to certain groups of people (e.g. black, Indian, oriental) can suffer from racism in a different way to say Irish, travelers and jewish people because for the former groups they are obviously in those groups where for the latter it is not immediately obvious just from looking at them. Which to be fair to her is quite true. Think about this could someone tell that you are gay or bi just be seeing you in the street in order to single you out for homophobic abuse, or would they have to get to know you first to find out? That is the essence of what her proposition is." | |||
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"I agree, and don't necessarily think she was being antisemitic. Blacks, Jews, and Travellers have all been persecuted over their race. There's no hierarchy, and I'm sure the underlying hatred is different in all cases. Racism is not about how/whether you identify someone as being that race. It's about hating them for their race regardless. Yes, some Jews managed to escape since their race wasn't etched into their skin, but Hitler still managed to murder 6 million of them in the name of racial cleansing nonetheless. Maybe it's even worse to hate other people when they look exactly like yourself rather than because they look different? Anyway, what do I know. Racism is shitty in all cases." Actually that 6 million were not all Jews - it included Romany’s and homosexuals amongst other groups in case you have forgotten or didn’t know. | |||
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"I listened to the whole interview on Radio 4's Reflections, available on BBC sounds. As usual her comments have been reported out of context by the BBC it's self! She said nothing anti-Semitic at all, only stating that people of colour are more noticeable than white people who may be gypsies or Jewish. " | |||
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"I agree, and don't necessarily think she was being antisemitic. Blacks, Jews, and Travellers have all been persecuted over their race. There's no hierarchy, and I'm sure the underlying hatred is different in all cases. Racism is not about how/whether you identify someone as being that race. It's about hating them for their race regardless. Yes, some Jews managed to escape since their race wasn't etched into their skin, but Hitler still managed to murder 6 million of them in the name of racial cleansing nonetheless. Maybe it's even worse to hate other people when they look exactly like yourself rather than because they look different? Anyway, what do I know. Racism is shitty in all cases. Actually that 6 million were not all Jews - it included Romany’s and homosexuals amongst other groups in case you have forgotten or didn’t know. " Actually, in case you didn't know. The Nazis killed 21 million people between 1939 and 1945 of which 6 million WERE Jews. Fact | |||
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"I agree, and don't necessarily think she was being antisemitic. Blacks, Jews, and Travellers have all been persecuted over their race. There's no hierarchy, and I'm sure the underlying hatred is different in all cases. Racism is not about how/whether you identify someone as being that race. It's about hating them for their race regardless. Yes, some Jews managed to escape since their race wasn't etched into their skin, but Hitler still managed to murder 6 million of them in the name of racial cleansing nonetheless. Maybe it's even worse to hate other people when they look exactly like yourself rather than because they look different? Anyway, what do I know. Racism is shitty in all cases. Actually that 6 million were not all Jews - it included Romany’s and homosexuals amongst other groups in case you have forgotten or didn’t know. Actually, in case you didn't know. The Nazis killed 21 million people between 1939 and 1945 of which 6 million WERE Jews. Fact" Amend. 1933 to 1945 as it started before WW2 | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her constituents? ... ... Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years" Comments that she is anti Semitic are absolute slander. She's one of the last left of centre MPs and they are attacking her. It's time the left abandoned the M15 stalking horse that is new labour. | |||
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"Jewish people and travellers don't face the same type of racism as black and brown people because they don't look immediately 'different' I mean, is she lying? I think she has a point." can't trust travelers especially the Irish/english lot | |||
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"Internal party decision. It's probably a clever way to sideline Abbott given her previous comments. Remember her view on Swedish nurses? She sees prejudice as only acting in one direction, which is bollocks of course." Has she actually said that? (I know there is an argument that black people can't be racist, that by definition they are excluded, but I wasn't aware she had subscribed to that view? ) | |||
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"Actually, in case you didn't know, the Nazis did kill 6 million Jews as well as the following Russian3.3 million Non-Jewish (ethnic) Poles around 1.8 million Romani men, women, and children and other people derogatorily labeled as "Gypsies" at least 250,000, but possibly as high as 500,000 Serb civilians murdered by Ustaša authorities of the Independent State of Croatia more than 310,000 People with disabilities living in institutions and care facilities 250,000–300,000, including at least 10,000 children German political opponents and dissenters tens of thousands Germans imprisoned in concentration camps as "professional criminals" and "asocials" about 35,000 Jehovah's Witnesses killed in concentration camps or executed for refusing to serve in the German military about 1,700 Gay men, bisexual men, and other men accused of homosexuality Hundreds, possibly thousands Black people in Germany Unknown, perhaps hundreds Get your facts right" around 15,000 gay men were incarcerated in concentration camps, of whom 60% are estimated to have died | |||
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""In an interview with the BBC on Thursday, Abbott, the first black woman elected to parliament, said: “Clearly, there must be a difference between racism which is about colour and other types of racism because you can see a Traveller or a Jewish person walking down the street, you don’t know. “I just think that it’s silly to try and claim that racism which is about skin colour is the same as other types of racism. I don’t know why people would say that.”" The TL;DR is that a black woman talks about how she experiences racism, and the white people in the party say she is wrong and suspend her "i find absolutely nothing to argue with in that statement. But that's the state of politics in this country now. One cannot simply disagree with a political statement. There is an ideology that enforces an obligation either to deny what is self-evidently true, or to stay silent. | |||
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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again. challenging wank lol"   | |||
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"Didn't stop Hitler murdering millions of both groups in the name of racial cleansing. So, no, racism is clearly not just about the colour of your skin." No, it isn't. But that's not the point, which is that it while it was easy to identify some groups, it was no simple matter to identify membership of others. With some obvious exceptions, the Nazis couldn't just look at someone and say whether or not they were Jewish. It required a setting up a bureaucratic machine that made enquiries about parentage and family history, the end result being the compulsion to wear a large yellow star displayed prominently on their clothing, so that officials and the general population could identify the enemies they had been taught to hate. | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her consituents? I think we'll be a long time waiting to find out. Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years" Have you been to her constituency? Free fall decline over decades comes to mind. | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on " She's clearly neither. No grasp of basics. She's a classic DEI placement. Didn't Earn It. | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her consituents? I think we'll be a long time waiting to find out. Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years Have you been to her constituency? Free fall decline over decades comes to mind." Have you been to her constituency lately? The growth and development that Hackney north and Stoke Newington have seen in the last 2 decades has been exponential. It’s a thriving place to be in these days. Art and culture thrive there now. Yes there is still crime but being London there will always be crime. Clearly you spend more time in Thanet than North East London. | |||
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"Jewish people and travellers don't face the same type of racism as black and brown people because they don't look immediately 'different' She has a point, in my opinion. Some people have taken her comment out of context, deliberately." Again… | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on She's clearly neither. No grasp of basics. She's a classic DEI placement. Didn't Earn It. " Didn’t earn it? Can you imagine what it took to become the first black female MP 40 years ago?! Add to that the changes she has made to her constituency for the better, leads me to conclude you are clueless both on her and her constituency. | |||
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"How is she still a MP , I would be fired if I said anything racist but I am a white male I’m not allowed to say anything out of term ! " Probably because she's not the one being racists here... She's saying that blacks recieve more racial slurs from the opposite race because of an noticeable difference where as Jews etc dont recieve the abuse as much as a someone who is much darker than you. | |||
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"Well it is clear to me that no one can quote anything antisemitic that Abbot has said, so this whole suspension is just nonsense. The labour party needs to look at its own leadership. With Starmer posing as prime minister while taking payouts from “Friends of Isreal “ to continue arming that crowd of murdering scum." She's a disposable resource. Politics is an ugly business. Diane is increasingly irrelevant. | |||
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"Theresa Mays last action as PM was to sign a 2 billion pound arms deal with Israel Keep up laddie." I have never excused the conservatives for being part of the tragic story happening in the Middle East. Only pointing out that Starmer is taking money from a horrible bigoted regime to continue supplying arms, even very much against the wishes of the British people.] | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣 Well she did earn a masters degree, what did you get? " ...and that's why they are devalued stock now. You can buy them in a pub or on the net! Gawd, where's the sensible, logical voice from Bristol when we need her? Sadly missed on a debate like this.  | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her constituents? ... ... Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years Comments that she is anti Semitic are absolute slander. She's one of the last left of centre MPs and they are attacking her. It's time the left abandoned the M15 stalking horse that is new labour." Many will... Corbyn is about to launch a new socialist Labour party when they can decide what to call it. Expect DA and many other disillusioned Labour MPs to sign up. Starmers pale blue fake Labour party will start to unravel! We live in interesting times! | |||
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"Labour may be losing credibility in many areas, but top marks for their swift action taken on Dianne Abbott for spouting her anti semitic rhetoric once again. What was antisemitic about her comments? " To be honest I was thinking that. She did not express herself very well plus her comments have been taken out of context and blown out of all proportion. Never thought the day would come whereby I find myself defending Ms Abbott but I do think she is being treated unfairly. | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣 Well she did earn a masters degree, what did you get? ...and that's why they are devalued stock now. You can buy them in a pub or on the net! Gawd, where's the sensible, logical voice from Bristol when we need her? Sadly missed on a debate like this. "It was a Desmond (2:2) albeit from Cambridge | |||
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"What she said wasn’t wrong at all and would have gone under the radar if she left Jewish people out of it and only mentioned travellers. " Exactly this. | |||
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"I agree, and don't necessarily think she was being antisemitic. Blacks, Jews, and Travellers have all been persecuted over their race. There's no hierarchy, and I'm sure the underlying hatred is different in all cases. Racism is not about how/whether you identify someone as being that race. It's about hating them for their race regardless. Yes, some Jews managed to escape since their race wasn't etched into their skin, but Hitler still managed to murder 6 million of them in the name of racial cleansing nonetheless. Maybe it's even worse to hate other people when they look exactly like yourself rather than because they look different? Anyway, what do I know. Racism is shitty in all cases. Actually that 6 million were not all Jews - it included Romany’s and homosexuals amongst other groups in case you have forgotten or didn’t know. " Approximately 11 million people were killed because of Nazi genocidal policy. 5 million of those murdered were non-Jewish. Others were Nazi victims because of what they did, who they were, their genetic or cultural origins, or health conditions. Some people were undesirable by Nazi standards because of who they were, their genetic or cultural origins, or health conditions. These included Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other Slavs, and people with physical or mental disabilities. Others were Nazi victims because of what they did. These victims of the Nazi regime included Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, the dissenting clergy, Communists, Socialists, ‘asocial’s, and other political enemies. | |||
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"Didn't stop Hitler murdering millions of both groups in the name of racial cleansing. So, no, racism is clearly not just about the colour of your skin. No, it isn't. But that's not the point, which is that it while it was easy to identify some groups, it was no simple matter to identify membership of others. With some obvious exceptions, the Nazis couldn't just look at someone and say whether or not they were Jewish. It required a setting up a bureaucratic machine that made enquiries about parentage and family history, the end result being the compulsion to wear a large yellow star displayed prominently on their clothing, so that officials and the general population could identify the enemies they had been taught to hate. " What she basically said is people of colour are automatically walking about with large yellow stars while the other mentioned groups are not. But I guess people who never experienced racism are the ones to judge what people experiences are. | |||
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"Diane Abbot is simply a racist, she should not be in politics" But am sure you would be taking a hissy fit at people describing Farage or Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon the same. | |||
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"She has been an MP for many many years. What has she actually delivered for her consituents? I think we'll be a long time waiting to find out. Give her her due., I believe she is an excellent constituency MP which is why they have returned her for over 40 years Have you been to her constituency? Free fall decline over decades comes to mind." I guess you mean like the most of uk. | |||
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"At school I was routinely the victim of spottycuntism, pompous bastardism, useless at gamesism and long streak of pissism, with a side order of (at the time completely unjustified) homophobia. I am considering taking legal action." Can we start a class action? | |||
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"Hmmmmm. I asked Google to show me a photo of a Jew. The image was of two old men with long beards, dressed in black suits with a little black hat. Google says Mrs Abbot is wrong." I asked to show me a racist…..it wasn’t Diana Abbot. | |||
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"Diane Abbot is simply a racist, she should not be in politics" Don't make totally unfounded statements, if you have evidence to support that accusation then tell us what it is.] | |||
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"She’s intelligent. And clever. But. She’s lost the plot. Not good when you have one of those things you grow on Not sure she is that intelligent, or clever - if you remember her mathematics faux pas, on LBC Radio a few years ago. Whenever she speaks; she sounds thick as a plank……….. That does sound a bit harsh and unfair. To the piece of wood! 🤣 Well she did earn a masters degree, what did you get? " | |||
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"She was my MP for years in Hackney was racist back then and still is " Totally unfounded accusations. Abbot as an MP has made thousands of statements, so exercise your brain a tiny bit and point out one in which she ever supported racism?] | |||
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"How is she still a MP , I would be fired if I said anything racist but I am a white male I’m not allowed to say anything out of term ! " What did she say which was racist? | |||
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"Hmmmmm. I asked Google to show me a photo of a Jew. The image was of two old men with long beards, dressed in black suits with a little black hat. Google says Mrs Abbot is wrong." Yes, I think that there are many many more forms of appearance for Jewish people than the orthodox. You are over simplifying and it could be said, missing the point. | |||
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"How is she still a MP , I would be fired if I said anything racist but I am a white male I’m not allowed to say anything out of term ! What did she say which was racist?" She did write this in an article. "Are Finnish girls, who may never have met a black person before, let alone touched one, best suited to nurse in multicultural Hackney?" No, she's not pre-judging a whole national group by skin colour. It's just Hackney speak. | |||
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"Diane Abbott. One of the most challenging wanks ever.!!! 😂" Awww bless. Who are the other challenging ones then? | |||
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"Our son works in parliament, Abbott is the most rudest person he has ever met. " I know an ex MP who knew her well. He said she alternated between being very rude or over-the-top flirtatious. Never knew where you were with her. He also thought she had a drink problem | |||
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"Hmmmmm. I asked Google to show me a photo of a Jew. The image was of two old men with long beards, dressed in black suits with a little black hat. Google says Mrs Abbot is wrong." No it doesn’t, did it show you a picture of Rob Rinder, or Lesley Joseph, or even Maurine Lipman all of whom are Jewish, but unless you know you would not be able to pick them out as such. Nor I suspect would you be able to pick out the people in your Google picture if they were not dressed in a traditional Jewish male dress form. | |||
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"Diane Abbott. One of the most challenging wanks ever.!!! 😂 Awww bless. Who are the other challenging ones then? " Ann Widdecombe would be pretty hard to beat ...  | |||
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"Diane Abbot is simply a racist, she should not be in politics But am sure you would be taking a hissy fit at people describing Farage or Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon the same." Absolutely not, you're so wrong, I believe they are just the same as her | |||
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"Diane Abbott. One of the most challenging wanks ever.!!! 😂 Awww bless. Who are the other challenging ones then? Ann Widdecombe would be pretty hard to beat ... "as least Good old Mary Whitehouse had to wicked night's in her life time (2 sons,) | |||
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"Dianne Abbott's political views are poles apart from my own, and she has made some unfortunate gaffs in the past. However, she is clearly a well-respected constituency MP and deserves to be treated fairly and respectfully, especially by the very party of which she has been a long-term, loyal, diligent and supporting member. I think what she said was well-intended but unfortunately poorly phrased, and has been deliberately misconstrued by those with a vested interest in criticising her. As a Corbynite, she's clearly out of favour with the Labour leadership, who've seized this opportunity for a witch-hunt to oust her from the party. I'm convinced that if Angela Rayner had made a similarly poorly phrased statement, Keir Starmer would have donned his lawyer's wig and gown and stood firmly in her defence! Politics continues to be the dirty business it's always been and best avoided to maintain one's sanity!" | |||
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"Diane Abbot is simply a racist, she should not be in politics But am sure you would be taking a hissy fit at people describing Farage or Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon the same. Absolutely not, you're so wrong, I believe they are just the same as her" It’s pointless trying to debate with a half-wit who keeps throwing out accusations but makes no attempt to justify them with any scrap of evidence.] | |||
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"Song and dance over nothing particularly important. She's a politician, nuff said!" I’m afraid I can’t agree with you. When someone who may be innocent has been accused of something dreadful, then we should do our best to extract the truth even if it’s a politicisation. Having read pretty much everything that Abbot has said I find nothing which is racist, nor can anyone point to anything that could could be seen as racist.] | |||
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"Has anybody ever seen Dianne Abbott and David Lammy in the same place, at the same time ? "David Lammy never heard of him is he a Reform MP | |||
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"What she said wasn’t wrong at all and would have gone under the radar if she left Jewish people out of it and only mentioned travellers." God forbid you say anything that might upset Jews in the slightest, you get labeled an antisemite straight away. | |||
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"At least it was never specifically a crime to be non-white in the UK, whereas for my early years as a young man I was at risk for committing illegal sex acts with other men. Witness what they did to Alan Turing and others..chemical castration. I can remember the appalling behaviour of the local police with their very regular visits to the crowds outside the Coleherne,and their mass raids with dogs, radios etc on Hampstead Heath And then there was the ongoing practice of using "pretty policemen" for entrapment exercises in some public toilets The list is endless, Britain should be ashamed. LEST WE FORGET." and the horrible chief constable called Sir James Anderton with us infamous saying . | |||
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"[Song and dance over nothing particularly important. She's a politician, nuff said! I’m afraid I can’t agree with you. When someone who may be innocent has been accused of something dreadful, then we should do our best to extract the truth even if it’s a politicisation. Having read pretty much everything that Abbot has said I find nothing which is racist, nor can anyone point to anything that could could be seen as racist.]" I agree, so why bother! ? | |||
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"She has been an MP for the same constituency since 1987 She was the first black woman MP She gets far more racial abuse than any other MP She is the longest serving woman MP- mother of the house She has type 2 diabetes and some form of tremor She is somewhat eccentric but her views are strongly held and whatever they are, she deserves respect for a political life well lived. Her recent speech in the Assisted Dying debate was thought provoking and worth a listen ]" Not a single thing you have listed justifies her anti semetic outbursts of which there have been several. The actions of the Labour Party are very telling towards their stance on this subject. If they were serious in showing they don’t tolerate this behaviour she would have been sacked, instead they suspended her again. This was nothing more than a slap on the wrists | |||
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"She has been an MP for the same constituency since 1987 She was the first black woman MP She gets far more racial abuse than any other MP She is the longest serving woman MP- mother of the house She has type 2 diabetes and some form of tremor She is somewhat eccentric but her views are strongly held and whatever they are, she deserves respect for a political life well lived. Her recent speech in the Assisted Dying debate was thought provoking and worth a listen ] Not a single thing you have listed justifies her anti semetic outbursts of which there have been several. The actions of the Labour Party are very telling towards their stance on this subject. If they were serious in showing they don’t tolerate this behaviour she would have been sacked, instead they suspended her again. This was nothing more than a slap on the wrists" Another totally unsupported set of allegations. If you have evidence of any racism then tell us about it. This statement is just rubbish, pathetic.] | |||
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"[She has been an MP for the same constituency since 1987 She was the first black woman MP She gets far more racial abuse than any other MP She is the longest serving woman MP- mother of the house She has type 2 diabetes and some form of tremor She is somewhat eccentric but her views are strongly held and whatever they are, she deserves respect for a political life well lived. Her recent speech in the Assisted Dying debate was thought provoking and worth a listen ] Not a single thing you have listed justifies her anti semetic outbursts of which there have been several. The actions of the Labour Party are very telling towards their stance on this subject. If they were serious in showing they don’t tolerate this behaviour she would have been sacked, instead they suspended her again. This was nothing more than a slap on the wrists Another totally unsupported set of allegations. If you have evidence of any racism then tell us about it. This statement is just rubbish, pathetic.]" There has been plenty of evidence you just wish to keep your eyes and ears closed to it. She wasn’t suspended AGAIN for being polite and inclusive. | |||
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"[She has been an MP for the same constituency since 1987 She was the first black woman MP She gets far more racial abuse than any other MP She is the longest serving woman MP- mother of the house She has type 2 diabetes and some form of tremor She is somewhat eccentric but her views are strongly held and whatever they are, she deserves respect for a political life well lived. Her recent speech in the Assisted Dying debate was thought provoking and worth a listen ] Not a single thing you have listed justifies her anti semetic outbursts of which there have been several. The actions of the Labour Party are very telling towards their stance on this subject. If they were serious in showing they don’t tolerate this behaviour she would have been sacked, instead they suspended her again. This was nothing more than a slap on the wrists Another totally unsupported set of allegations. If you have evidence of any racism then tell us about it. This statement is just rubbish, pathetic.] There has been plenty of evidence you just wish to keep your eyes and ears closed to it. She wasn’t suspended AGAIN for being polite and inclusive. " More of the same unsubstantiated rubbish, if you have evidence then present it, but you won’t because none exists. Stop wasting space posting this garbage.] | |||
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"[Diane Abbot is simply a racist, she should not be in politics But am sure you would be taking a hissy fit at people describing Farage or Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon the same. Absolutely not, you're so wrong, I believe they are just the same as her It’s pointless trying to debate with a half-wit who keeps throwing out accusations but makes no attempt to justify them with any scrap of evidence.]" Confusus he say: "Never hargue wif an idiot, he will drag you down to his level... then beat yoy wid experiance!"  | |||
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"Push or Shove - When she goes, it will be the end of an error" error or era... or perhaps both fit? | |||
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"At least it was never specifically a crime to be non-white in the UK, whereas for my early years as a young man I was at risk for committing illegal sex acts with other men. Witness what they did to Alan Turing and others..chemical castration. I can remember the appalling behaviour of the local police with their very regular visits to the crowds outside the Coleherne,and their mass raids with dogs, radios etc on Hampstead Heath And then there was the ongoing practice of using "pretty policemen" for entrapment exercises in some public toilets The list is endless, Britain should be ashamed. LEST WE FORGET." I may be wrong... bug I thought the use of 'agent provocateur' was illegal?  | |||
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"At least it was never specifically a crime to be non-white in the UK, whereas for my early years as a young man I was at risk for committing illegal sex acts with other men. Witness what they did to Alan Turing and others..chemical castration. I can remember the appalling behaviour of the local police with their very regular visits to the crowds outside the Coleherne,and their mass raids with dogs, radios etc on Hampstead Heath And then there was the ongoing practice of using "pretty policemen" for entrapment exercises in some public toilets The list is endless, Britain should be ashamed. LEST WE FORGET. I may be wrong... bug I thought the use of 'agent provocateur' was illegal? "No not illegal in the UK the use of agents provocateur for undercover surveillance has strict rules to follow. It needs proper approval, must be necessary and proportionate. There are extra protections for sensitive info and mistakes must be reported. If these rules aren't followed, it can be seen as a contravention of human rights. | |||
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"Has anybody ever seen Dianne Abbott and David Lammy in the same place, at the same time ? "Why would that be? | |||
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"Has anybody ever seen Dianne Abbott and David Lammy in the same place, at the same time ?
Why would that be?"It's what passes for wit among the rancid gammon. | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her" Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? " It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!!" You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. " Please read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9k7yje44eo | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. Please read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9k7yje44eo" She was not being antisemitic. | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. Please read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9k7yje44eo" Again, what did she say that was antisemitic? | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. Please read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9k7yje44eo" ======================================== From the article: "She wrote: "Irish, Jewish and Traveller people undoubtedly experience prejudice. This is similar to racism. It is true that many types of white people with points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this prejudice. But they are not all their lives subject to racism." In other words, she appeared to equate antisemitism with the prejudice experienced by people with ginger hair." The problem here is with the "in other words" and "she appeared". These are doing a lot of heavy lifting to justify the action taken against her. "At the time she withdrew the remarks and apologised and was suspended – and so sat as an independent MP." Of course she did. She was subjected to an absolute shitstorm. And it suited Starmer to allow her to stand again. But the important thing here is whatever your opinion of what she originally said, she paid for it. But now she's said she didn't regret it, she apparently has to pay for it again to save Starmer embarrassment. | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. Please read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9k7yje44eo Again, what did she say that was antisemitic? " Have you read the article? | |||
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"What she has said is truly shocking, so it is worrying that some on this site have agreed with her Why is it shocking? And what exactly did she say that was antisemitic? It is all over the news at the moment! Difficult to miss!! You can’t explain how it’s antisemitic though, you've just thrown the word around. Please read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9k7yje44eo Again, what did she say that was antisemitic? Have you read the article?" Yes, and she didn’t say anything antisemitic like you claim. It’s clear you’ve just read the headlines, and in your original post you claimed she was spouting antisemitism, but when I and several others have asked, what exactly did she say that was antisemitic, you don’t have an answer. | |||
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"I'm hardly a fan but I think parliament needs the likes of Ms Abbott. A few mavericks and eccentrics to liven the place up. So much more interesting than the grey suits and nodding dogs." | |||
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"Get this straight - criticising the Israeli goverment, army or Netanyahu is NOT anti-semetism. It's what Corbyn did, and the right-wing of the Labour party distorted what he was saying, using it as an excuse to sideline him. They were scared of his progressive and inclusive views, popularity with younger voters, and many of us older voters too. Many Jewish people are also critical of Netanyahu's genocidal actions. They can hardly be described as anti-semitic. " I fully agree. Netanyahu and his gang are a disgrace to the world, and being supported by the criminal Trump and by our UK government is just totally revolting. Calling Abbot antisemitic is just to draw attention away from the horrible Starmer who continues to support his Nazi gang who are murdering tens of thousands in Gaza.] | |||
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