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"Continuing the debate (sic), where is the actual evidence that proves Labour are practicing socialism? What precisely have independent commentators said that argues that the £28billion Green Investment is socialistic in nature? What has been said about the lack of a cohesive plan by those commentators who have no particular allegiance to a party? Critical thought rather than disgenuity. Labour in Wales for example being discussed without any thought of budgets imparted from tory administrations is sophistry par excellence. " A year in to this Labour government, the public do not feel hope for the future. He hasn't won the hearts and minds of the British people. | |||
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"Discuss 🤔" Why do people feel its necessary to end their posts with discuss? Are they used to dealing with school children aged 6 ? | |||
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"Discuss 🤔 Why do people feel its necessary to end their posts with discuss? Are they used to dealing with school children aged 6 ? " Ahem!! University exam questions sometimes end with "discuss" | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51]" Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. | |||
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"Discuss 🤔 Why do people feel its necessary to end their posts with discuss? Are they used to dealing with school children aged 6 ? " Lol, I thought exactly the same. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51] Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. " To be fair we flew these in because a MOD person pressed the wrong button( do they still have a job?), the others find their own way. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51] Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. I would rather think it was so expensive because that was a whole settlement scheme with flights and housing, rather different from other refugees. " | |||
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"Kick labour out of power now and save the country " With what? 14 years of Tory’s left the country in a stinking mess with £3+ tn National debt. If you think that Fartrage will save you, think again he’s only interest is publicising himself and lining his own pockets - look at his record as an MEP and now as an MP takes the money but can’t be arsed to turn up and do the job the public are paying him to do - too busy doing other paying jobs - the country would be well and truly screwed if he got in. That only really leaves the Lib-dems. They have made Gaines but not enough so far. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51] Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. " It would be more appropriate to send the Afghans to Pakistan instead ... Bringing them here isn't going to end well. | |||
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"There are some complete cxxxs on here, for 14 years we've been led down the garden path and been told bullshit but the xxxx still believe them " Arguably 35 years. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51] Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. It would be more appropriate to send the Afghans to Pakistan instead ... Bringing them here isn't going to end well. " Iran's sending its Afghans back. That'll be more buying a berth on a rubber boat. | |||
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"There are some complete cxxxs on here, for 14 years we've been led down the garden path and been told bullshit but the xxxx still believe them " Like there are some complete cxxxs on here who believe Labour are the answer to everything and hate anyone to have a different opinion. It's politics and we all have different views. Always amuses me that people go in about the 14 years of various Conservative governments. It was not an imposed dictatorship. They were elected four times over that period either as the largest party or with an outright majority. They got some things badly wrong. They missed opportunities and things didn't always run smoothly. But was it so terrible? Up until the last couple of years of Conservative rule, when they did lose the plot, things weren't that bad. If you think Labour are the answer then it must have been a pretty silly question. But hey that's politics and varying opinions. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51] Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. " I think your mixing up your Mail headlines Hun. 7billion is the maximum cost under gdpr (plus legal costs),that the 20k plus afgan allies who had data leaked exposing their complicity with UK forces and putting their lives and the lives of their family in danger, could claim as damages. (Assuming they are all alive. And get to make a claim And are not left in limbo because they might incriminate British troops for copying mercenary contractors committing war crimes. In other word ... Normal daily mail half truth innuendo and shit stirring)  | |||
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"WW3 is what we need . Would sort everything out " While the lads are away fighting they can have the warm and fuzzy feeling that back home their lass is getting a right seeing too by the latest boat arrivals, thank god they have the hotel rooms . The knee trembler in a back alley is never that rewarding  | |||
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"....ty. They got some things badly wrong. They missed opportunities and things didn't always run smoothly. But was it so terrible? Up until the last couple of years of Conservative rule, when they did lose the plot, things weren't that bad. " Sorry I think there is plenty of factual evidence that previous government oversaw a continuation of decline in the UK economically, massive rise in inequality. Drastic devaluation of countries wealth and hemorrhaging profits overseas with reduced taxes, including massive relative decreases in wages, standards of living education health and even longevity. I kid you not. They were a continuation of the previous Tory shit show. With Blaire as an interim stalking horse to curb the worst excess and make it palatable. Starmer is the same. Starmer's govt is labour or socialist in name only, and he has eviscerated the party leaving it's support almost as weak as the Tories but without such obvious Graft. Quite a feat. And now having wiped the floor with the mi5 plant the business class will crown reform as the new "people's" champion! I agree with some who say it's time to get angry. And demand workable plans and not sound bites. Amazingly the people saying this and actually comming up with some well thought out costed alternatives are the lib Dems and the greens! Not Starmer. Not reform and it has never been a feature of the Tories in last 20 years. | |||
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"Discuss 🤔 Why do people feel its necessary to end their posts with discuss? Are they used to dealing with school children aged 6 ? " ... ... It was an attempt at humour. Historically this word has caused much wailing and gnashing of teeth on the forum. And so it remains🤡 | |||
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"The OP just wants to start a political ding-dong to which he can add his usual cryptic but non informative comments complete with saltire. I f he really wants to know what critical media says, it’s very easy to find out in our internet age" ... ... Wrong. The use of the saltire is to identify what I've typed as opposed to a clarion call for independence via an emoji. Non informative: don't be daft 🏴🏴🏴 Critical Media. Aye I know where to find it. | |||
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"The OP just wants to start a political ding-dong to which he can add his usual cryptic but non informative comments complete with saltire. I f he really wants to know what critical media says, it’s very easy to find out in our internet age" Ut probatum est. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 18/07/25 18:19:51] Did anybody notice the slip this week. £7 Billion to bring a few thousand Afghans into the UK. Makes you think about the real cost of the legions arriving daily. It certainly appears much more than we are being told. " Had a look at https://fullfact.org/immigration/afghan-resettlement-scheme-costs/ Which gives a bit of a breakdown, as the way that some figures being banded about can be a bit misleading. The £7bn figure covers ALL of the Afghan resettlement schemes, so it would include those brought back in the evacuation during the withdrawal. The secretive one for the data breach is between £800 and £850 million. What really annoys me is that the brought over the guy who posted other peoples names from the list and threatened to post even more if he wasn’t brought over. Actions like that shouldn’t have been given in to, perhaps the government should have told him if he did then they would post his and his families names publicly for the taliban to see. | |||
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"The OP just wants to start a political ding-dong to which he can add his usual cryptic but non informative comments complete with saltire. I f he really wants to know what critical media says, it’s very easy to find out in our internet age Ut probatum est. " ... ... 🏴 Meat on bones... Socialism. Lol.🏴 | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years." Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. | |||
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"The OP just wants to start a political ding-dong to which he can add his usual cryptic but non informative comments complete with saltire. I f he really wants to know what critical media says, it’s very easy to find out in our internet age Ut probatum est. 🏴 Meat on bones... Socialism. Lol.🏴" Meat on bones provided by the stock of capitalism, paid for by anyone else but thee!... Socialism indeed! 🏴🇬🇧 | |||
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"Ironic that funding from Westminster was overlooked there." Ironic how not all the funding received for the NHS is spent on the NHS and often diverted to other departments here. | |||
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"Ironic that funding from Westminster was overlooked there. Ironic how not all the funding received for the NHS is spent on the NHS and often diverted to other departments here. " ... ... 🏴 Sources?🏴 | |||
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"The OP just wants to start a political ding-dong to which he can add his usual cryptic but non informative comments complete with saltire. I f he really wants to know what critical media says, it’s very easy to find out in our internet age Ut probatum est. 🏴 Meat on bones... Socialism. Lol.🏴 Meat on bones provided by the stock of capitalism, paid for by anyone else but thee!... Socialism indeed! 🏴🇬🇧 " ... ...🏴 Glib 🏴 | |||
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"Ironic that funding from Westminster was overlooked there." Ah yes but the money has to be spent on things like buying up land for roads that never get built, imposing Welsh medium schools on English speaking areas, planting trees in Uganda, introducing 36 more AMs in the Senedd plus all the extra offices and staff to go with them. Hardly anything left for the NHS. | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. " Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! " ... .. 🏴 A staggering hypocrisy. Didn't you follow the plethora of news stories that covered the horror stories from ward corridors when the tories were in power?🏴 | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! ... .. 🏴 A staggering hypocrisy. Didn't you follow the plethora of news stories that covered the horror stories from ward corridors when the tories were in power?🏴" 🏴🇬🇧 And staggering ignorance there Richey6! You conveniently ignore Welsh Labour's prolonged tenure of 26 years in the Senedd!! The current bed shortages and tragic incidents of patients dying in A&E are a stark reminder of their responsibility. These issues are not merely a legacy of the past, but a present reality that Welsh Labour must urgently address. 🏴🇬🇧 | |||
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"The recently launched Civil Society Covenant shows that there is an actual desire from central government to forge partnerships with civic organisations that will enhance the lives of citizens. " A commendable effort on the Civil Society Covenant, but Welsh Labour's local governance record, especially in NE Wales, speaks louder than any central government initiative. 🏴🇬🇧 | |||
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"The recently launched Civil Society Covenant shows that there is an actual desire from central government to forge partnerships with civic organisations that will enhance the lives of citizens. A commendable effort on the Civil Society Covenant, but Welsh Labour's local governance record, especially in NE Wales, speaks louder than any central government initiative. 🏴🇬🇧 " And the 20mph speed limits what are they thinking I’m on holiday there at the minute takes an age to get anywhere lol x | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! ... .. 🏴 A staggering hypocrisy. Didn't you follow the plethora of news stories that covered the horror stories from ward corridors when the tories were in power?🏴 🏴🇬🇧 And staggering ignorance there Richey6! You conveniently ignore Welsh Labour's prolonged tenure of 26 years in the Senedd!! The current bed shortages and tragic incidents of patients dying in A&E are a stark reminder of their responsibility. These issues are not merely a legacy of the past, but a present reality that Welsh Labour must urgently address. 🏴🇬🇧 " ... ... 🏴 A tumescent deflection. Not a peep about the point made about the horror stories that often found their way into the media. Stark reminders indeed. It's an inconvenient truth re NHS funding under the tories... The 26 years included how many under the tories. Spending per capita health under the last Labour government rose by circa 5%. *Informative. | |||
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"The recently launched Civil Society Covenant shows that there is an actual desire from central government to forge partnerships with civic organisations that will enhance the lives of citizens. A commendable effort on the Civil Society Covenant, but Welsh Labour's local governance record, especially in NE Wales, speaks louder than any central government initiative. 🏴🇬🇧 " ... 🏴 It was only launched a week ago......... ........ 🤡 | |||
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"The recently launched Civil Society Covenant shows that there is an actual desire from central government to forge partnerships with civic organisations that will enhance the lives of citizens. A commendable effort on the Civil Society Covenant, but Welsh Labour's local governance record, especially in NE Wales, speaks louder than any central government initiative. 🏴🇬🇧 ... 🏴 It was only launched a week ago......... ........ 🤡" Early days, let's see what transpires! 🏴🇬🇧 | |||
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"Starmer is the least trustworthy MP of our time. Slimy backtracking waste of space. " Less trustworthy than the likes of Keith Vaz, or even Boris? Have you been living under a rock? | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! " Well, that's disgraceful and manslaughter... somebody should be held to account! Either the person who should have been there for him... or the people that allowed no one to be there! We need to get tougher on accountability, their must be consequences! | |||
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"The creation of the NHS was certainly socialistic. Has the nasty party ever really believed in it? *Hancock/bung" The initial blue print for an NHS was produced during WWII by Sir Henry Willink, Conservative MP and wartime coalition Secretary of State for Health. Admittedly the post war Labour government introduced it, adjusted it and made it more comprehensive. Nevertheless the NHS is not solely the domain of socialists. For as long as I have been politically aware/interested/active [circa 1970 if not before] Labour have always put about the scaremongering story that the Conservative will 'do away' with the NHS. It has not happened under their watch--1970/74, 1979/98, 2010/24--and is not likely to. Might be a different story under a Faragista regime. | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! Well, that's disgraceful and manslaughter... " You need to look at the definition of manslaughter. | |||
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"Ironic when you consider the shortage of beds on hospital wards during the tories 14 years. Even more ironic when Welsh Labour have been in charge of the NHS in Wales during this time and halved available beds in hospitals. Same here in NE Wales too Basil99. Patients in dire situations are having to lie on trolleys in corridors due to a shortage of beds. One poor chap felt ill, went to A&E, and had to wait so long to be seen that he sadly died in the waiting area! That's Welsh Labour! Well, that's disgraceful and manslaughter... You need to look at the definition of manslaughter." Mmanslaughter. This occurs when a person's extreme carelessness, or gross negligence, leads to another person's death, even if there was no intent to kill or cause harm. It's a type of involuntary manslaughter, where the death is unintentional. So, yes... manslaughter! A persons death should have serious consequences, not just a postscript in a glib text! | |||
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