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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want " if you are not happy with the comments on here go and find another site. | |||
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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want if you are not happy with the comments on here go and find another site." And the bullying starts as usual!! | |||
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"Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. " Personally I don’t support this strike and think they are being unreasonable. I supported their strike action be for the election because like many of us they had not had a decent pay rise in years and the previous government were just intransigent in the way they were not engaging. But they got a very good settlement from the new government and an above inflation increase this year, and like the rest of us know that the countries finances are up shit creek without a paddle, so their demand for a further 29% increase is unrealistic and unreasonable in the current financial circumstances. I’m sure we would all love to get pay restoration for all those years with mostly no pay rises, but it ain’t going to happen when the cupboard is bear - we have to be realistic. | |||
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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want if you are not happy with the comments on here go and find another site." I’m only expressing my personal opinion. I didn’t mention anything about other comments on here, so where you get that from I have no fuckin idea It’s a free forum and I can post whatever I like, within site rules, the same as yourself | |||
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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want if you are not happy with the comments on here go and find another site. I’m only expressing my personal opinion. I didn’t mention anything about other comments on here, so where you get that from I have no fuckin idea It’s a free forum and I can post whatever I like, within site rules, the same as yourself "  | |||
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"Why shouldn’t they push for a pay increase? Even with previous pay increases they are worse off than 20 years ago, and on an hourly rate, typically the worst paid person in a hospital " I seem to remember that the doctors had a huge 20% salary and pension increase around 2004. I have never heard a doctor compare their current salary differential with that of thier salary pre that huge increase. They are greedy. | |||
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"What a joke they are very well paid look who will suffer the patient's greedy fuckers they go do something else not many jobs out there that pay those kind of wages " Why are the patients greedy fuckers? | |||
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"Why shouldn’t they push for a pay increase? Even with previous pay increases they are worse off than 20 years ago, and on an hourly rate, typically the worst paid person in a hospital " Vast numbers of people including many self employed, or employed are worse off than 20 years ago but just cope with as they are not in a position to extort money from employers like Doctors whose action will cause people to live with bad diseases or even die, lost all sympathy with them now. | |||
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"Why shouldn’t they push for a pay increase? Even with previous pay increases they are worse off than 20 years ago, and on an hourly rate, typically the worst paid person in a hospital Vast numbers of people including many self employed, or employed are worse off than 20 years ago but just cope with as they are not in a position to extort money from employers like Doctors whose action will cause people to live with bad diseases or even die, lost all sympathy with them now." 👇👇👇👇 | |||
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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want " And then what do we do for doctors? Takes years to train, make life saving decisions every day and paid less than used to. Who would want to replace them? | |||
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"I support them totally. It's not like they can easily be replaced and the idiots saying they should go and do another job are living in cloud cuckoo land if they believe that. " | |||
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"They have very little public support and the bma has always been militant left wing and out of touch. If they want more money strip them of their gold plated pension. Let's see if streeting has any balls after bending over last time?" Why do I bother? This question is aimed at myself, btw. Let's call it a rhetorical question. | |||
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"They have very little public support and the bma has always been militant left wing and out of touch. If they want more money strip them of their gold plated pension. Let's see if streeting has any balls after bending over last time? Why do I bother? This question is aimed at myself, btw. Let's call it a rhetorical question. " What? This question is aimed at yourself! Then guess if it's about yourself, you better stop using a public forum, doh! | |||
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"Doctors' strikes inevitably have severe consequences for patients, particularly those in critical need of medical care. With doctors in the UK earning substantial salaries (junior doctors £28,000-£47,000, consultants £83,000-£109,000+ per year), and many supplementing their NHS income through private practice or moonlighting, it's concerning that some feel the need to take industrial action, it just appears to be sheer greed again. As history has proven so many times, strikes do more harm than good in the long run. While they might bring short-term benefits, they can damage the public's trust, harm the NHS's reputation, and lead to financial problems and job losses. This can ultimately hurt the very people doctors are trying to help, and with patient care being the top priority, it's hard to justify industrial action when doctors are already very well remunerated. " I have to agree with you. These are very good salaries. My Dr doesn't agree with the strikes. | |||
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"28% pay increase last year and asking for double figures again, the nurses are threatening to strike again and every trade union is waiting in the wings to put pressure on the government who for their part just rolled over like a puppy to union pay demands when they assumed power after the last general election what a shower of s#!t" You would have rather had them striking for the whole of the last year then? Brilliant scheme. | |||
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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want if you are not happy with the comments on here go and find another site. I’m only expressing my personal opinion. I didn’t mention anything about other comments on here, so where you get that from I have no fuckin idea It’s a free forum and I can post whatever I like, within site rules, the same as yourself " He's frustrated, he found out that the NHS can't fix stupid. | |||
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"Agreed. " Me too. They get paid more than enough for what they do. Like do your damn job esp seeing as Britain has spiralling costs and NHS needs the money and people need healthcare | |||
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"5 years at uni, no pay and the average medic comes out with 100k of student debt. Life & death decisions on a daily basis, constant fear of litigation, so in my opinion they're worth it. I am however biased, I had life saving cancer surgery and my twin sons were premature & survived due to the skills of a team of medics. " Do junior doctors really have the responsibility of life and death situations daily or is that mostly left to more experienced doctors? | |||
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"5 years at uni, no pay and the average medic comes out with 100k of student debt. Life & death decisions on a daily basis, constant fear of litigation, so in my opinion they're worth it. I am however biased, I had life saving cancer surgery and my twin sons were premature & survived due to the skills of a team of medics. " Many of us gave reason to be grateful to NHS junior (resident) doctors. I think they should get 100% remission of their university tuition fees if the work 5 years in the NHS. That’s worth more than a pay rise. | |||
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"It costs UK taxpayers approximately £230,000 (government estimate) to train a junior doctor, once they arrive in the NHS fresh put of medical school, having never touched a patient in their lives. Maybe it's about time the precious little twats repaid some of those training costs. " .... 🏴One of those 'precious little twats' may save your life one day🏴 | |||
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". Do junior doctors really have the responsibility of life and death situations daily or is that mostly left to more experienced doctors? " Damn right they do, they're the ones on the wards day and night that's why they've called resident doctors.... | |||
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"It costs UK taxpayers approximately £230,000 (government estimate) to train a junior doctor, once they arrive in the NHS fresh put of medical school, having never touched a patient in their lives. Maybe it's about time the precious little twats repaid some of those training costs. " Oh dear Mr Taylor, it appears you have no lived experience of doctors either via family or socially? You do realise they have to do the training themselves right? You do know how high pressure a job it is right? Literally people’s lives in their hands, ungodly hours, abuse from patients etc etc. I’m not talking about high level consultants or surgeons here. They are still working and in training as junior doctors. This is to say that whether I disagree with their wage demands or not, referring to them as precious little twats says more about you than any of them contemplating strike action. | |||
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"Agreed. Me too. They get paid more than enough for what they do. Like do your damn job esp seeing as Britain has spiralling costs and NHS needs the money and people need healthcare" Really, what price do you put on saving someone’s life? It’s not their fault that money has been pissed up the proverbial wall and the nation has spiralling costs. Would you decline a pay rise or not demand a pay rise for the betterment of the nation? I highly doubt any of us would. | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. " I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum? | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. " This should not be in this thread, please apologise to the people who have contributed to this important thread. | |||
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"Agreed. Me too. They get paid more than enough for what they do. Like do your damn job esp seeing as Britain has spiralling costs and NHS needs the money and people need healthcare Really, what price do you put on saving someone’s life? It’s not their fault that money has been pissed up the proverbial wall and the nation has spiralling costs. Would you decline a pay rise or not demand a pay rise for the betterment of the nation? I highly doubt any of us would. " They chose the profession and we choose to train them and pay them to do the job, which includes saving lives. Thats what they are paid to do!! | |||
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"Agreed. Me too. They get paid more than enough for what they do. Like do your damn job esp seeing as Britain has spiralling costs and NHS needs the money and people need healthcare Really, what price do you put on saving someone’s life? It’s not their fault that money has been pissed up the proverbial wall and the nation has spiralling costs. Would you decline a pay rise or not demand a pay rise for the betterment of the nation? I highly doubt any of us would. They chose the profession and we choose to train them and pay them to do the job, which includes saving lives. Thats what they are paid to do!!" And they are doing it!! | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum?" How is it bigotry ? I am saying about saving money and stopping paying a couple of hundred pound a night for thousands who've never contributed anything to the country is a good way 👍 | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum? How is it bigotry ? I am saying about saving money and stopping paying a couple of hundred pound a night for thousands who've never contributed anything to the country is a good way 👍 " “They are the reason this country is on its knees…” that is ill informed bigotry. | |||
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"Agreed. Me too. They get paid more than enough for what they do. Like do your damn job esp seeing as Britain has spiralling costs and NHS needs the money and people need healthcare Really, what price do you put on saving someone’s life? It’s not their fault that money has been pissed up the proverbial wall and the nation has spiralling costs. Would you decline a pay rise or not demand a pay rise for the betterment of the nation? I highly doubt any of us would. They chose the profession and we choose to train them and pay them to do the job, which includes saving lives. Thats what they are paid to do!!" For the record I am not in agreement with the strikes per se, but the way people are describing the doctors and their work is borderline disgraceful. | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum? How is it bigotry ? I am saying about saving money and stopping paying a couple of hundred pound a night for thousands who've never contributed anything to the country is a good way 👍 “They are the reason this country is on its knees…” that is ill informed bigotry. " So paying fot hotels for thousands isnt affecting the countries spending on necessary requirements like the NHS? Money doesn't grow on trees and we aren't going to see any return on the money wasted there. My suggestion is for a cheaper way and that is put them in tents and feed them cheap if we have to take some in. | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum? How is it bigotry ? I am saying about saving money and stopping paying a couple of hundred pound a night for thousands who've never contributed anything to the country is a good way 👍 “They are the reason this country is on its knees…” that is ill informed bigotry. So paying fot hotels for thousands isnt affecting the countries spending on necessary requirements like the NHS? Money doesn't grow on trees and we aren't going to see any return on the money wasted there. My suggestion is for a cheaper way and that is put them in tents and feed them cheap if we have to take some in." Try try reading the proposition on the thread, whis is; Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. Have respect for the contributors who have expressed their opinion on this point. If you wish to make a thread on an other subject do so in your own thread. | |||
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"If they’re not happy with what they’re being offered, then look for another job. Behaving like spoilt children, not going to stop until we get what we want And then what do we do for doctors? Takes years to train, make life saving decisions every day and paid less than used to. Who would want to replace them? " . You can not bow down to fear threats. What your opening the door to it limitless pay increases because we're frightened of the consequences. If Labour last August adopted the same stance as the Tories had we would not be in the mess we are now. Wait till Christmas. Train drivers will be out next | |||
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"I don’t think any of us would be telling the GP, the specialist, the anaesthetist, the surgeon, the nurse to fuck off ‘you get paid too much’ if you needed them. " so we settle for, Pay me lots more or I leave you in pain? | |||
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"I don’t think any of us would be telling the GP, the specialist, the anaesthetist, the surgeon, the nurse to fuck off ‘you get paid too much’ if you needed them. so we settle for, Pay me lots more or I leave you in pain?" Times ticking, Dave…you’ll need the NHS one day. You’ll be grateful, mark my words. I won’t deign to answer such a stupid question because if that’s the level of your questioning, it doesn’t deserve an answer from me. | |||
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"I don’t think any of us would be telling the GP, the specialist, the anaesthetist, the surgeon, the nurse to fuck off ‘you get paid too much’ if you needed them. so we settle for, Pay me lots more or I leave you in pain? Times ticking, Dave…you’ll need the NHS one day. You’ll be grateful, mark my words. I won’t deign to answer such a stupid question because if that’s the level of your questioning, it doesn’t deserve an answer from me. " . Why are you assuming I haven't desperately needed the NHS in the past.. nothing stupid about stating there should be a limit to what anything cost. Regardless how urgent it is. To sit back and allow the NHS to be held to ransom annually can only end in the privatisation of our health service. You need to think before you aim your personal attacks | |||
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"It’s very curious that all the correspondents here are judging from behind a screen and none of us have any direct involvement in the issues to give a reasoned and non opinion based commentary. It’s always easy to belittle when we don’t understand the scenario." I see it as a bunch of old people who don't know where their bread was buttered back in the day, and if they do are pulling the ladder up so nobody else can. | |||
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"It’s very curious that all the correspondents here are judging from behind a screen and none of us have any direct involvement in the issues to give a reasoned and non opinion based commentary. It’s always easy to belittle when we don’t understand the scenario. I see it as a bunch of old people who don't know where their bread was buttered back in the day, and if they do are pulling the ladder up so nobody else can. " You dreadful cynic!!! 🤣 | |||
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"It’s very curious that all the correspondents here are judging from behind a screen and none of us have any direct involvement in the issues to give a reasoned and non opinion based commentary. It’s always easy to belittle when we don’t understand the scenario. I see it as a bunch of old people who don't know where their bread was buttered back in the day, and if they do are pulling the ladder up so nobody else can. " . Whatever that means lol | |||
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"It’s very curious that all the correspondents here are judging from behind a screen and none of us have any direct involvement in the issues to give a reasoned and non opinion based commentary. It’s always easy to belittle when we don’t understand the scenario. I see it as a bunch of old people who don't know where their bread was buttered back in the day, and if they do are pulling the ladder up so nobody else can. . Whatever that means lol" Something to do with buttered bread and retractable ladders? | |||
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"It’s very curious that all the correspondents here are judging from behind a screen and none of us have any direct involvement in the issues to give a reasoned and non opinion based commentary. It’s always easy to belittle when we don’t understand the scenario. I see it as a bunch of old people who don't know where their bread was buttered back in the day, and if they do are pulling the ladder up so nobody else can. . Whatever that means lol Something to do with buttered bread and retractable ladders? " Yep. Smart man like you knows exactly what I mean, I think | |||
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"Pay restoration ... Why? If they didn't like the offer they were made 10 ... 15 ... 20 years ago they shouldn't have accepted it. Millions of people in diverse fields of employment have failed to achieve inflation matching pay rises. I was one of them. Tough tittie. Should have had better union represention." So you support unions? | |||
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"So you support unions?" On the whole yes, they were the reason we ended up with a lot of employment rights in the first place. But, they have to act with good faith, and this time round the BMA are not. I fully supported the strikes last year as the previous government were the ones acting in bad faith, and the new government did the right thing last year and did as much as they could. This year they know the state of the countries finances after 14 years of mayhem, they got a very good settlement last year and were offered an above inflation rise this year. But the demands this year are over the top when the cupboard is bear. | |||
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"They knew what the pay was when they accepted the position, small above average pay rises over an extended time is what's called for." Except they train for 7 years, then they have to pay for their exams, then when they start working have to pay off the loan for their training. They are asking for £23 and hour when working on the front line. Doesn't seem such a huge ask to me. Personally I think their unions has done them no favours. | |||
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"They knew what the pay was when they accepted the position, small above average pay rises over an extended time is what's called for. Except they train for 7 years, then they have to pay for their exams, then when they start working have to pay off the loan for their training. They are asking for £23 and hour when working on the front line. Doesn't seem such a huge ask to me. Personally I think their unions has done them no favours." Which is why I say small above average pay increases, it will go a lo g way to eventually restoring their pay to something like the levels it was. | |||
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"There are a lot of outrageously ill informed comments on this thread , these resident DRs work all hours often working well past when their shift should have finished . Working nights and weekends when there is less support and have to cover multiple wards . And to answer another ignorant comment no most DRs are not consultants by 40 , and no they didn’t disappear during Covid think someone was getting them mixed up with GPs " Most of them do make Consultant by 40 ,some even earlier,in their mid to late 30's, my source are several doctor friends so they must be the ignorant ones. | |||
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"There are a lot of outrageously ill informed comments on this thread , these resident DRs work all hours often working well past when their shift should have finished . Working nights and weekends when there is less support and have to cover multiple wards . And to answer another ignorant comment no most DRs are not consultants by 40 , and no they didn’t disappear during Covid think someone was getting them mixed up with GPs " Is it not illegal to work over the hours and irregular shift works which may pose a big risks to clinical and medical errors jeopardising the safety of patients? Surely every hospital or the legislation must have clear protocol on the maximum hours a doctor can work in one week, and not over the time-limit. What did the Health and Safety Executives guidelines on "Safety in the Workplace" ? | |||
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"It is strange that some people say phrases like. "You might need them one day". But, that's exactly what they are there for isn't it? ". You might need most services in the world at some time. Doctors are no more important than anyone else. Hgv drivers. They stop work and we run out of food in days. Turn off your water supply and we're in trouble within hours. Doctors do great job. But so does everybody else. How society works | |||
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"It is strange that some people say phrases like. "You might need them one day". But, that's exactly what they are there for isn't it? . You might need most services in the world at some time. Doctors are no more important than anyone else. Hgv drivers. They stop work and we run out of food in days. Turn off your water supply and we're in trouble within hours. Doctors do great job. But so does everybody else. How society works"Exactly | |||
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"It is strange that some people say phrases like. "You might need them one day". But, that's exactly what they are there for isn't it? ".... ... 🏴 The point was the complete disdain from one poster who might one day have to rely on those he looked down his nose at with his nasty comment🏴 | |||
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"It costs UK taxpayers approximately £230,000 (government estimate) to train a junior doctor, once they arrive in the NHS fresh put of medical school, having never touched a patient in their lives. Maybe it's about time the precious little twats repaid some of those training costs. .... 🏴One of those 'precious little twats' may save your life one day🏴" And I, or one of the many who do my job, will ensure those precious little twats have food in the shops and fuel at the pumps, so they don't starve and have to endure complete social breakdown. Stop putting them on a pedestal, they are no more important than any other contributor to society. The only people they are hurting are those that are ill, greedy precious little fuckers that they are. | |||
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"It is strange that some people say phrases like. "You might need them one day". But, that's exactly what they are there for isn't it?
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🏴 The point was the complete disdain from one poster who might one day have to rely on those he looked down his nose at with his nasty comment🏴"
Exactly - people on here who have been moaning about how much resident doctors get paid won’t be bitching about how much the resident doctors are paid when they’re needing their expertise.
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"It costs UK taxpayers approximately £230,000 (government estimate) to train a junior doctor, once they arrive in the NHS fresh put of medical school, having never touched a patient in their lives. Maybe it's about time the precious little twats repaid some of those training costs. .... 🏴One of those 'precious little twats' may save your life one day🏴 And I, or one of the many who do my job, will ensure those precious little twats have food in the shops and fuel at the pumps, so they don't starve and have to endure complete social breakdown. Stop putting them on a pedestal, they are no more important than any other contributor to society. The only people they are hurting are those that are ill, greedy precious little fuckers that they are." ... ... 🏴 How..... hurty! There is no pedestal. Your bile -splattered over the screen in a puerile manner- completely overlooks the obvious. These individuals (the sweeping generalisation you make is cringe) will be in the business of saving lives. Yes binmen and those who stack shelves so forth and so on play their part in enabling society to function but they don't have life or death situations to contend with... Try and be reasonable? 😭 | |||
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"BBC Verify have a video showing how the BMA have reached their claim. They have used the RPI index (which has not been used by Government since 2013). The Government use CPI, if that were used then their salary would be 7% lower than 2008. So the offer of a 5% increase this year seems fair." Apart from the fact that the government used to use RPI, but changed to CPI because it was cheaper. None of that stops the basic facts that inflation has been rampant and asking for a concomitant cost of living increase isn’t that bad an idea. | |||
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"Greed is so destructive - The ruin of many a preciously perceived fine reputation. 'Physician, heal thyself' " Very droll, what are you actually meaning? | |||
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"If it is OK for the BMA to use RPI rather than CPI? Then why can't we all demand the same. As a pensioner that would at least increase my pension by a couple of thousands a year! I am sure everyone would complain about greedy pensioners. But if it is alright for Doctors then it should be alright for pensioners and everyone else." I think pensioners complaining about other people getting pay rises need to look in the mirror. The only group in the country who have had consistent inflationary increases year on year. Purely because they are the only people gullible enough to vote Tory. Maybe just some miserable old gits furious at seeing someone else get the attention and money for once? Hard to take it too seriously. | |||
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"If it is OK for the BMA to use RPI rather than CPI? Then why can't we all demand the same. As a pensioner that would at least increase my pension by a couple of thousands a year! I am sure everyone would complain about greedy pensioners. But if it is alright for Doctors then it should be alright for pensioners and everyone else. I think pensioners complaining about other people getting pay rises need to look in the mirror. The only group in the country who have had consistent inflationary increases year on year. Purely because they are the only people gullible enough to vote Tory. Maybe just some miserable old gits furious at seeing someone else get the attention and money for once? Hard to take it too seriously." Read the words, the point you are trying to make is the same point i have made. Unfortunately not only have you failed to understand but you have been grossly offensive to those who are proably l lot wiser than you appear to be. You are very sad. | |||
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"If it is OK for the BMA to use RPI rather than CPI? Then why can't we all demand the same. As a pensioner that would at least increase my pension by a couple of thousands a year! I am sure everyone would complain about greedy pensioners. But if it is alright for Doctors then it should be alright for pensioners and everyone else. I think pensioners complaining about other people getting pay rises need to look in the mirror. The only group in the country who have had consistent inflationary increases year on year. Purely because they are the only people gullible enough to vote Tory. Maybe just some miserable old gits furious at seeing someone else get the attention and money for once? Hard to take it too seriously." Oh you don’t have to vote Tory to enjoy life as a pensioner still get all the benefits of the triple lock and lifestyle to enjoy it . And so they should , hope they enjoy squandering every penny . They have worked long and hard and deserve a long and healthy retirement !!! | |||
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"If it is OK for the BMA to use RPI rather than CPI? Then why can't we all demand the same. As a pensioner that would at least increase my pension by a couple of thousands a year! I am sure everyone would complain about greedy pensioners. But if it is alright for Doctors then it should be alright for pensioners and everyone else. I think pensioners complaining about other people getting pay rises need to look in the mirror. The only group in the country who have had consistent inflationary increases year on year. Purely because they are the only people gullible enough to vote Tory. Maybe just some miserable old gits furious at seeing someone else get the attention and money for once? Hard to take it too seriously. Read the words, the point you are trying to make is the same point i have made. Unfortunately not only have you failed to understand but you have been grossly offensive to those who are proably l lot wiser than you appear to be. You are very sad." I am being offensive to the miserable gits who don’t like seeing other people get something that they aren’t getting. I am content with that. If you aren’t one of them then I am not being offensive towards you, if you are, you need to be offended. Perform your outrage if you want, but think first before you do. | |||
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"Why shouldn’t they push for a pay increase? Even with previous pay increases they are worse off than 20 years ago, and on an hourly rate, typically the worst paid person in a hospital " The fact they have to do crazy hours while senior docs get played to play golf while on call is inductive of how inadequate the pay review system is. Given pay flatlined until they went on strike and now is just keeping pace with inflation , while the fundamental arrogance deciding their working conditions hasn't been addressed, I'm on their side. But they could campaign to work 36 hours on lower pay (but decent hourly rate) rather than just ask for more cash. Rested docs and nurses do better work. | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum?" Wow! How wrong can one person be? It was a way to save money, we shouldn't be wasting money putting them in hotels, tents are perfectly fine and a lot cheaper, France do it. 👌 Im not right wing but I am always right. Feel free to apologise. | |||
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"Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. " is this the lace for that view…….. and all doctors have done for us | |||
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"Ive always said that immigrants dont need to be kept in hotels and that we should be keeping them in secure fields and make them sleep in tents and very basic cheap food (basically give them worse comditions that France and theyll stop coming) . They are the reason this country is on its knees and our "illustrious leader" Starmer wants to take more of them in. Stop the boats and look after ourselves and in the process save the NHS. I mean you didn’t even try to Segway it in, you just grabbed your ill informed bigotry by the horns and threw it into the room. Takes some arrogance to pull off a stunt like that. Hats off sir…do you also wipe your knob on the curtains once you’ve cum? Wow! How wrong can one person be? It was a way to save money, we shouldn't be wasting money putting them in hotels, tents are perfectly fine and a lot cheaper, France do it. 👌 Im not right wing but I am always right. Feel free to apologise." You're not right wing?  | |||
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"Junior doctors get a pension that is 80% of their final salary. That's not sustainable. The taxpayer puts in something like 23% of their salary every year into their pot. In the real world you'd get your employer to put in 3%. It's a ponzi scheme." Commercial pensions are the Ponzi scheme!! %of final salary pension only works in job for life companies I agree, but the state pension should be a living wage with sufficient returns to allow additional payment. Why on earth are pfi schemes and student debt (all underwritten by govt) not available as state pension investments? Student debt is charging 7% interest and has practically zero collection costs and actually zero risk of default?!? | |||
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"Ive always...) . They are the reason this country is on its knees " Yo wha?!? If you stretch costs every which way to Sunday you get about 15 billion a year. We spend 24 billion on big outsourcers (“strategic suppliers” like Serco, G4S, Deloitte etc.) We spend 245 on NHS , 16%of that is repaying pfi finance! | |||
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" ...Why on earth are pfi schemes and student debt (all underwritten by govt) not available as state pension investments? Student debt is charging 7% interest and has practically zero collection costs and actually zero risk of default?!? " PFI, maybe, although I think the obstacles to getting "our" hands on PFI profits would be insuperable. And we will soon face the rehabilitation costs of PFI properties as their contracts expire. Student debt: unfortunately many of those students have not reached, and may never reach, wage levels above the repayment threshold. The full loan amount, or anything like it, will never be repaid, and 7% is a massive overestimate of the actual return. | |||
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" ...Why on earth are pfi schemes and student debt (all underwritten by govt) not available as state pension investments? Student debt is charging 7% interest and has practically zero collection costs and actually zero risk of default?!? PFI, maybe, although I think the obstacles to getting "our" hands on PFI profits would be insuperable. And we will soon face the rehabilitation costs of PFI properties as their contracts expire. Student debt: unfortunately many of those students have not reached, and may never reach, wage levels above the repayment threshold. The full loan amount, or anything like it, will never be repaid, and 7% is a massive overestimate of the actual return. " Excuse my ignorance but what have PFI contracts got to do with a doctors pay claim? I know PFI contracts were used to fund Hospital building projects, but any repayments would be paid form capital spending buget, whereas a pay award would come out of revenue spending. | |||
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"Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. " I agree with the strike, not the timing. Big numbers sound shocking but when you consider for 13 of the last 15 years, they received little to no pay rises which were considerably under inflation, then 27% is less than 2% per year. | |||
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"Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. " Just look at the figures... with doctors in the UK earning substantial salaries, ranging from £28,000-£47,000 for junior doctors and £83,000-£109,000+ per year for consultants, many of whom supplement their NHS income through private practice or moonlighting. Their plan for strike action appears to be driven by a desire for further financial gain and sheer greed! Historical precedent indicates that strikes invariably have serious detrimental consequences, including erosion of public trust, damage to the NHS's reputation, and potential financial difficulties and job losses, ultimately putting at risk the lives of the patients they purport to care for and protect. Given that patient care is paramount, justifying industrial action when doctors already receive significant remuneration is thoroughly reprehensible! | |||
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"Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. Just look at the figures... with doctors in the UK earning substantial salaries, ranging from £28,000-£47,000 for junior doctors and £83,000-£109,000+ per year for consultants, many of whom supplement their NHS income through private practice or moonlighting. Their plan for strike action appears to be driven by a desire for further financial gain and sheer greed! Historical precedent indicates that strikes invariably have serious detrimental consequences, including erosion of public trust, damage to the NHS's reputation, and potential financial difficulties and job losses, ultimately putting at risk the lives of the patients they purport to care for and protect. Given that patient care is paramount, justifying industrial action when doctors already receive significant remuneration is thoroughly reprehensible! " | |||
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"Do you support thier strike or Not? Personally, I don't as I think they are being extremely greedy. They received a 22.something% a year ago and have been offered 5% plus this year. I agree with the strike, not the timing. Big numbers sound shocking but when you consider for 13 of the last 15 years, they received little to no pay rises which were considerably under inflation, then 27% is less than 2% per year." Pretty much the rest of the country had small or no pay rises in the same period but most haven’t received a 22% pay rise. | |||
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"They aren't striking for just the money. " Pretty much are now as the Government offered various other things they were asking for. They now want a further 26% pay rise. | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year" Have you actually tried getting an appointment to see a NHS doctor? It's virtually impossible to see a GP in person, as they'll only speak to patients on the phone unless the situation is acute. If you need to see a hospital doctor and go to A&E, you'll typically have to wait for hours on end in a long queue. If it's a referral to a specialist clinic for non-urgent cases, the average wait time is around 22 weeks, with England at 20 weeks, Scotland at 32 weeks, Wales at 29 weeks, and Northern Ireland at 40 weeks. Urgent cases, like cancer treatments, are typically seen within 2 weeks. Many doctors are just totally greedy, have additional income from private medicine, and often live beyond their means. That's where the real issue lies in this situation today! | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year Have you actually tried getting an appointment to see a NHS doctor? It's virtually impossible to see a GP in person, as they'll only speak to patients on the phone unless the situation is acute. If you need to see a hospital doctor and go to A&E, you'll typically have to wait for hours on end in a long queue. If it's a referral to a specialist clinic for non-urgent cases, the average wait time is around 22 weeks, with England at 20 weeks, Scotland at 32 weeks, Wales at 29 weeks, and Northern Ireland at 40 weeks. Urgent cases, like cancer treatments, are typically seen within 2 weeks. Many doctors are just totally greedy, have additional income from private medicine, and often live beyond their means. That's where the real issue lies in this situation today! " Well where i am I get same day appointments as long as I phone at 830am, so yes I have tried getting a GPS appointment | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year" £90K isn't much at all for such a senior position. Most MPs could earn a great deal more in the private sector. | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year £90K isn't much at all for such a senior position. Most MPs could earn a great deal more in the private sector." I certainly don't believe MPs are value for money In the private sector, they would have to work a lot harder with the Threat of losing their job immediately if they don't deliver, instead of doing a shit job now and knowing they can ride it out for another 4 years until they are voted out | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year £90K isn't much at all for such a senior position. Most MPs could earn a great deal more in the private sector. I certainly don't believe MPs are value for money In the private sector, they would have to work a lot harder with the Threat of losing their job immediately if they don't deliver, instead of doing a shit job now and knowing they can ride it out for another 4 years until they are voted out" Try shadowing your MP for a week - you might change your mind | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year £90K isn't much at all for such a senior position. Most MPs could earn a great deal more in the private sector. I certainly don't believe MPs are value for money In the private sector, they would have to work a lot harder with the Threat of losing their job immediately if they don't deliver, instead of doing a shit job now and knowing they can ride it out for another 4 years until they are voted out" There lies the general situation with the public sector (including the NHS), together with a lack of accountability. | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year £90K isn't much at all for such a senior position. Most MPs could earn a great deal more in the private sector. I certainly don't believe MPs are value for money In the private sector, they would have to work a lot harder with the Threat of losing their job immediately if they don't deliver, instead of doing a shit job now and knowing they can ride it out for another 4 years until they are voted out There lies the general situation with the public sector (including the NHS), together with a lack of accountability. " No there's a big difference between a doctor and an MP, doctors can lose their job immediately MPs can be booted out of a party which rarely happens, even then they still collect their wages as an independent until the next election There's a lot more accountability and transparency as a doctor | |||
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"Just seen a kidney consultant via NHS due to a kidney problem. Very nice man. Ordering a CT scan. Was with him ten minutes but satisfied so far. He is a senior consultant ( gorgeous too) but he also spends his time at three private hospitals and charges £250 for 15 minutes initial consultation" Hence the reason that type of doctor doesn't have a wage problem, the dispute is not with consultants, it's with residents or Junior doctors | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year Have you actually tried getting an appointment to see a NHS doctor? It's virtually impossible to see a GP in person, as they'll only speak to patients on the phone unless the situation is acute. If you need to see a hospital doctor and go to A&E, you'll typically have to wait for hours on end in a long queue. If it's a referral to a specialist clinic for non-urgent cases, the average wait time is around 22 weeks, with England at 20 weeks, Scotland at 32 weeks, Wales at 29 weeks, and Northern Ireland at 40 weeks. Urgent cases, like cancer treatments, are typically seen within 2 weeks. Many doctors are just totally greedy, have additional income from private medicine, and often live beyond their means. That's where the real issue lies in this situation today! " It very much depends how your local surgery is run. Friends of mine have to do the ring at 8.30 thing and wait on the phone for ages, but worh mine we fill out a form on line (there is a phone line for people who can't do this) its read by one of the doctors who will eother ring you or send an appointment. So I'm very lucky that I can often get on the day or next day appointments. | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year £90K isn't much at all for such a senior position. Most MPs could earn a great deal more in the private sector. I certainly don't believe MPs are value for money In the private sector, they would have to work a lot harder with the Threat of losing their job immediately if they don't deliver, instead of doing a shit job now and knowing they can ride it out for another 4 years until they are voted out There lies the general situation with the public sector (including the NHS), together with a lack of accountability. No there's a big difference between a doctor and an MP, doctors can lose their job immediately MPs can be booted out of a party which rarely happens, even then they still collect their wages as an independent until the next election There's a lot more accountability and transparency as a doctor" I was really referring to the gross mismanagement of the NHS and the lack of true accountability therein. | |||
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"I find it hard not to support them, when cheating, lying, swindling MPs are getting paid over 90k a year Have you actually tried getting an appointment to see a NHS doctor? It's virtually impossible to see a GP in person, as they'll only speak to patients on the phone unless the situation is acute. If you need to see a hospital doctor and go to A&E, you'll typically have to wait for hours on end in a long queue. If it's a referral to a specialist clinic for non-urgent cases, the average wait time is around 22 weeks, with England at 20 weeks, Scotland at 32 weeks, Wales at 29 weeks, and Northern Ireland at 40 weeks. Urgent cases, like cancer treatments, are typically seen within 2 weeks. Many doctors are just totally greedy, have additional income from private medicine, and often live beyond their means. That's where the real issue lies in this situation today! It very much depends how your local surgery is run. Friends of mine have to do the ring at 8.30 thing and wait on the phone for ages, but worh mine we fill out a form on line (there is a phone line for people who can't do this) its read by one of the doctors who will eother ring you or send an appointment. So I'm very lucky that I can often get on the day or next day appointments. " Fair point, I only wish we had the same standard of service in NHS Wales which has sadly been mismanaged for years. | |||
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