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"We do now! Great to see our national flag flying high!" Agreed good to see, and there's not even football on | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it." Unfortunately I have to agree. It would be great if it was genuine patriotism, rather than far right incitement. | |||
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"Over the last couple of days my local town Faversham has seen English flags hung off lamp posts and red stripes added to many white road markings. We don’t normally go for flag waving in this country do we ??" Former Faversham resident myself here (Ospringe Road many years ago) and other than royal weddings, street parties and the footie, you'd never see a flag. I know what's behind it and I don't like it. As long as gammons hide behind it I'll never fly one, even though I'm happy to have been born English. | |||
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"They’re just excited by women’s rugby!! " lol  | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it." Agree. We can't have another 1930s, as that's how it starts. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it. Agree. We can't have another 1930s, as that's how it starts. " Exactly... we're living in dangerous times just now  | |||
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"Considering England are hosting the women's rugby world cup. I would expect that has a lot to do with it. They are also likely to win it." Nothing to do with sport. | |||
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"I knew the king was far right has one on his house and all his bloody ancestors I remember his mum's jubilee bloody millions of far right waving flags and as for remembrance day every year far right all over" Well said. I’ve also suspected the attendees of Last Night of the Proms to be Far Right too. All that flag waving. | |||
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"I would love to be patriotic, just as Americans are, and fly my national flag at my home….. but I might be considered racist, so at present I won’t. Might fly the flag in the future though if we can get over the racism element." The fact you may be considered a racist for flying your national flag says alot about the country today. I would fly it and be proud of it. | |||
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"If decent English men and women reclaim their flag and fly it with pride, to represent everything that is great about the country and everything that they can be rightly proud of, then it would lose any undesirable associations. " Well said | |||
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"There are plenty of Saltires in Scotland - although the Nationalists have tried to commandeer them" The saltire doesn’t have the same connotation as what is happening down here with the St George’s Cross. Nationalists in Scotland are often anti England, but it’s much rarer that Scottish nationalism results in a “send them home” mentality which sadly happens all too often down here. | |||
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"Sadly it is the hard-left and politically-correct who have tried to turn flying the flag into an expression of far-right extremism. Remember Boris Johnson got heavily criticised for having a Union Flag in the background during his Covid updates. Yet does anyone get uptight when Presidents Trump or Biden have the American flag in the background or President Macron flying the French flag? Some people just love making _ountains out of molehills." You are rather shooting the messenger here. But it would be a strange post of yours if you didn’t include the phrase “hard left” | |||
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"Sadly it is the hard-left and politically-correct who have tried to turn flying the flag into an expression of far-right extremism." ---------------------------- Have you never heard of the National Front, EDL, Britain First and other far-right groups? Their demonstrations were thick with union and St Georges flags. | |||
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"There is nothing wrong with celebrating your national identity. " Absolutely right, we seem to be we are the only Country in the world where if you do so, you are shouted down by a minority as been far right | |||
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"Sadly it is the hard-left and politically-correct who have tried to turn flying the flag into an expression of far-right extremism. Remember Boris Johnson got heavily criticised for having a Union Flag in the background during his Covid updates. Yet does anyone get uptight when Presidents Trump or Biden have the American flag in the background or President Macron flying the French flag? Some people just love making _ountains out of molehills." I couldn’t agree more … it would seem there are a lot of left wing woke in here (who haven’t offered a room to anyone) personally I have no issue with legal migration - my partner is not from the UK - but it cost us circa £10,000 for visas I have a lot of issues with illegal economic migrants leaving safe countries to abuse our pathetic system Lights blue touch paper and stands back - clearly I will be called a racist and I haven’t attended a rally or put up a flag | |||
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"Sadly it is the hard-left and politically-correct who have tried to turn flying the flag into an expression of far-right extremism. ---------------------------- Have you never heard of the National Front, EDL, Britain First and other far-right groups? Their demonstrations were thick with union and St Georges flags." The more the majority of the population, who are decent people, fly the flag and reclaim it from the far right, the less people will see it as a sign of racism. Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation and flying the flag. | |||
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"Set off from Oxfordshire to Lincolnshire earlier and the St George flag is everywhere. Reading the bbc and saying dark money maybe paying for them is worrying. I’m ex military and have a nice flag pole in the garden and a collection of flags from the union flag, St George’s flag, team GB, remembrance flags and Christmas ones. I pray it’s for good but fear it has darker meaning." Don't believe everything the BBC spouts. Fly your flags with pride! | |||
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"I knew the king was far right has one on his house and all his bloody ancestors I remember his mum's jubilee bloody millions of far right waving flags and as for remembrance day every year far right all over" Well said my man | |||
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"The more the majority of the population, who are decent people, fly the flag and reclaim it from the far right, the less people will see it as a sign of racism. Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation and flying the flag. " Nice in theory but the problem is when decent people see a load of footie thug gammons waving it and yelling racist chants, the instinctive reaction is to be ashamed and want nowt to do with it | |||
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"You have a right to your opinion. It doesn't mean you're right though." agreed, I know one thing I’d rather see our flag than others, so stop talking about left or right and support it!! | |||
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"The more the majority of the population, who are decent people, fly the flag and reclaim it from the far right, the less people will see it as a sign of racism. Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation and flying the flag. Nice in theory but the problem is when decent people see a load of footie thug gammons waving it and yelling racist chants, the instinctive reaction is to be ashamed and want nowt to do with it" Why the name calling?? The point is sensible people are flying the flag with pride now and long may that continue... | |||
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"The more the majority of the population, who are decent people, fly the flag and reclaim it from the far right, the less people will see it as a sign of racism. Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation and flying the flag. Nice in theory but the problem is when decent people see a load of footie thug gammons waving it and yelling racist chants, the instinctive reaction is to be ashamed and want nowt to do with it"  | |||
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"Why the name calling?? The point is sensible people are flying the flag with pride now and long may that continue..." I don't have an issue with reasonable, moderate people. The ones who just want to cause trouble are gammons and will remain so. | |||
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"EVERYONE in this country is, or is descended from, immigrants who arrived here during the last ten thousand years." And your point is ? They were not put up, fed and clothed free of charge - unless they were sl*ves in which case they had to work for their supper This country cannot afford to support these opportunists | |||
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"EVERYONE in this country is, or is descended from, immigrants who arrived here during the last ten thousand years. And your point is ? They were not put up, fed and clothed free of charge - unless they were sl*ves in which case they had to work for their supper This country cannot afford to support these opportunists " agreed 💯 | |||
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"I know 1 thing, if we don’t start sticking together soon and stop bickering and stabbing each other in the back in not to distant future there will no longer be our Great Britain or England and we will only have ourselves to blame 🤷♂️" --------------------- Well I'm off to tie a flag to a lamppost - I'm sure that'll solve all our problems... | |||
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"I know 1 thing, if we don’t start sticking together soon and stop bickering and stabbing each other in the back in not to distant future there will no longer be our Great Britain or England and we will only have ourselves to blame 🤷♂️ --------------------- Well I'm off to tie a flag to a lamppost - I'm sure that'll solve all our problems..." A good start  | |||
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"You have a right to your opinion. It doesn't mean you're right though. agreed, I know one thing I’d rather see our flag than others, so stop talking about left or right and support it!!" Again well said | |||
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"Why the name calling?? The point is sensible people are flying the flag with pride now and long may that continue... I don't have an issue with reasonable, moderate people. The ones who just want to cause trouble are gammons and will remain so. " Seems we agree then! Still no need for the name-calling though | |||
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"EVERYONE in this country is, or is descended from, immigrants who arrived here during the last ten thousand years. And your point is ? " Point is to draw a distinction between race and immigration status. I agree that the government approach to dealing with the situation seems weak, if they actually have a policy they're not very forthcoming about it. My point then is if you want to protest, shout at the government, not the brown people. | |||
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"EVERYONE in this country is, or is descended from, immigrants who arrived here during the last ten thousand years. And your point is ? They were not put up, fed and clothed free of charge - unless they were sl*ves in which case they had to work for their supper This country cannot afford to support these opportunists " Agreed 100 % | |||
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"There is nothing wrong with celebrating your national identity. Absolutely right, we seem to be we are the only Country in the world where if you do so, you are shouted down by a minority as been far right" That’s not what happens though. The problem in England is that there is a higher proportion of times than many other countries that when the flag is being flown, it’s for racist and bigoted purposes. Not every time, nowhere near it, but a lot more than many other countries and to England as a country’s credit, that makes the vast majority of people very queasy and flying the English flag has been tarnished by association with these amoeba. Don’t blame the disgusted, blame the racist amoeba. | |||
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"Seems , estate agents are saying , houses in these areas where there is an abundance of flag flying ,painted roundabouts, etc etc will be having a marked reduction in worth, due to the possibilities of anti social behaviour. That’s if anyone in these areas actually own their property. " They will soon change their tune if there is a juicy sale commission. To me it's a reflection of pride in your neighborhood. It's not illegal. It's fine. Even the government encouraged it during jubilee celebrations. | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. " Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. | |||
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"Even the government encouraged it during jubilee celebrations." Well duh. Jubilee celebrations were a sense of collective togetherness and national pride (I'm no monarchist but I'm not stingy enough to deny people flying a flag to celebrate the beloved royals if it makes them feel good). There is a much more sinister underlying factor beneath the current wave of waving and anybody with a brain and eyes in their head can see it. | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance." You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down. | |||
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"Seems , estate agents are saying , houses in these areas where there is an abundance of flag flying ,painted roundabouts, etc etc will be having a marked reduction in worth, due to the possibilities of anti social behaviour. That’s if anyone in these areas actually own their property. They will soon change their tune if there is a juicy sale commission. To me it's a reflection of pride in your neighborhood. It's not illegal. It's fine. Even the government encouraged it during jubilee celebrations." yes agreed | |||
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"EVERYONE in this country is, or is descended from, immigrants who arrived here during the last ten thousand years. And your point is ? Point is to draw a distinction between race and immigration status. I agree that the government approach to dealing with the situation seems weak, if they actually have a policy they're not very forthcoming about it. My point then is if you want to protest, shout at the government, not the brown people." Well from several interviews recently, it would seem that the government are working on things and making a difference, it just doesn’t seem to be reported by the media much - guess there isn’t as much profit in reporting that the government have removed 39,000 failed migrants in the past 12 months when they can stir up unrest by complaining about boat loads coming over. Yes there are a lot of migrants being housed. This is because they cannot LEGALLY be removed until their claim has been decided (no matter what fart rage tells you). The reason we have such a large backlog of claims is because the previous government CUT the number of people processing the claims. The current government have increased the numbers processing claims and are removing those whose claims have failed. However, it seems that we need to have agreements with some countries to be able to deport their citizens back to them, again there has been little reported by most of the media about the agreements that have already been made and those being worked on - I wonder why that is, perhaps it doesn’t fit the narrative they are trying to peddle. | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down." Nail on the head there | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down. Nail on the head there" Except that it is mostly the far right that are the ones trying to hi-Jack the flags as far as I can see. | |||
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"It’s OUR flag -we’ve all got the right to call somewhere home , this is ours , come in ( when welcomed in with open arms) wipe your feet - be polite - don’t ask the DJ to change the record or fuck off " Well put! 🏴🇬🇧 | |||
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"It’s OUR flag -we’ve all got the right to call somewhere home , this is ours , come in ( when welcomed in with open arms) wipe your feet - be polite - don’t ask the DJ to change the record or fuck off Well put! 🏴🇬🇧" | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down. Nail on the head there Except that it is mostly the far right that are the ones trying to hi-Jack the flags as far as I can see." what you on about far right? What’s wrong with people just getting fed up with it, why label then this far right shit, no mention ever of far left is there | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down. Nail on the head there Except that it is mostly the far right that are the ones trying to hi-Jack the flags as far as I can see." Subjective opinion | |||
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"I think the motivation behind the flag flying is the issue. There is nothing wrong with pride in your country but if it’s used to marginalise or intimidate then it’s a problem. We are one planet one people and if we dont find a way to get along we are all fucked." yes true but many coming here are to use and abuse us and the system so what you are saying will not work | |||
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"You see flags hanging everywhere in Scotland so I am glad the English are doing the same and showing cowardly politicians who's boss. " excellent | |||
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"The question of who is flying which flag and why and is it a good thing seems to have got sidetracked into an immigration issue, which may or may not prove the contention that there is a dark side to the flag flying. I am old enough to recall that the flag was usurped many years ago by the NF, that is within my recollection, maybe it was already accruing unwanted connotations prior to that. I can tell you that this began in areas of Birmingham that are predominantly white, working class, and not areas known for liberal attitudes shall we say. Make of that what you will.." Well just over a week ago there were a bunch protesting outside a hotel being used to house migrants (across the road from where some friends live) some of those flag waving knuckle draggers were chanting for “Tommy Robinson” the former leader of the far right EDL - this was observed and heard by myself. | |||
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"Is it ok to fly the Palestinian one instead then? Just asking for a mate." there you go very true and they do not get took down straight away, also could we fly our flag in there country?? | |||
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"There are a few stories on various news outlets going over the basis for this action. It’s a shame because a national flag should never have dubious connotations but it’s unfortunate that the root cause of this particular flag hanging is intended as a racist act. But that’s people’s choice. " I don’t agree , yes some elements do use the cross of St George as part of their paraphernalia. But it still is flown from public buildings and churches on St George’s Day and other dates of national importance , celebrations and sporting events. The English should be free to fly their flag proudly and free of accusation in the same way the flags of the cross of St Andrew and the Red Dragon are flown. | |||
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"The question of who is flying which flag and why and is it a good thing seems to have got sidetracked into an immigration issue, which may or may not prove the contention that there is a dark side to the flag flying. I am old enough to recall that the flag was usurped many years ago by the NF, that is within my recollection, maybe it was already accruing unwanted connotations prior to that. I can tell you that this began in areas of Birmingham that are predominantly white, working class, and not areas known for liberal attitudes shall we say. Make of that what you will.. Well just over a week ago there were a bunch protesting outside a hotel being used to house migrants (across the road from where some friends live) some of those flag waving knuckle draggers were chanting for “Tommy Robinson” the former leader of the far right EDL - this was observed and heard by myself." so what if they are shouting for someone who speaks up?? And calling them names just goes to show what sort of person you are, | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down. Nail on the head there Except that it is mostly the far right that are the ones trying to hi-Jack the flags as far as I can see. Subjective opinion " Opinion based on protesters I have personally observed and heard - so not “subjective opinion” observed facts. | |||
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"The question of who is flying which flag and why and is it a good thing seems to have got sidetracked into an immigration issue, which may or may not prove the contention that there is a dark side to the flag flying. I am old enough to recall that the flag was usurped many years ago by the NF, that is within my recollection, maybe it was already accruing unwanted connotations prior to that. I can tell you that this began in areas of Birmingham that are predominantly white, working class, and not areas known for liberal attitudes shall we say. Make of that what you will.. Well just over a week ago there were a bunch protesting outside a hotel being used to house migrants (across the road from where some friends live) some of those flag waving knuckle draggers were chanting for “Tommy Robinson” the former leader of the far right EDL - this was observed and heard by myself." The majority protesting are concerned locals. How messed up that certain Far Left types are triggered by a national flag being flown in that country. If it bothers you then you need to ask yourself why. I love this country and love seeing the flag being flown. | |||
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"Is it ok to fly the Palestinian one instead then? Just asking for a mate. there you go very true and they do not get took down straight away, also could we fly our flag in there country??" They have been removed in Birmingham, and prior to all this becoming a media thing… they were not on every lamppost, a few spread around in areas with a larger Muslim population. | |||
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"Good to see another thread just descend into yelling directions at each other. Left!! No Right!!! Fucking change the record." If only they would all try mindfulness and meditation, that would sort everything. Everything! | |||
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"It started because English children were stopped from wearing a union jack outfit at school to represent there heritage. It was deemed racist. Another example of racism against the white population. " Yet isn't it funny how it was never an issue when Ginger Spice or Noel Gallagher sported a Union Jack, or tourist stalls sell millions of them to visitors. You sure it's what you think it is? And not just a poisonous xenophobic thing born and bred by a few nasty but influential manipulators taking people's natural sense of self for useful idiots? For people who bleat about and get triggered by the (imaginary, it doesn't exist in Britain) hard left, the right in this country sure have learnt a lot from Lenin and Stalin. Agitprop is the easiest thing in the world to sell to the poorly educated. | |||
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"I am so fed up with people going on about racism all the time, my wife is black as coal and she’s more fed up with it than me, she has been here 18 years and battled through all the correct procedures to get here, and to see thousands coming here nearly all men with no identity or anyway of proving there past angers her and me, so if that makes us racist and right wing then so be it we done care, what we do care about is our families and country being fucked over, rant over" Fair enough, but there is a right and a wrong way to do things and if you support or appear to support those doing it the wrong way then you are likely to be tarred with the same brush. If you read my earlier post about what IS being done (but not getting reported by most of the media because of their own agenda). There is a large backlog of claims from where the previous government CUT the staff doing the processing. The current government have increased the processing staff and have removed 39,000 people whose claims failed in the past 12 months - that is the correct way to do it. They aren’t going to fix it overnight, but if it isn’t being reported then people aren’t going to know what is happening. Perhaps if it was reported more in the media, people would understand (and also it may act as a deterrent for people if they saw the numbers being removed), rather than certain parts of the media just harping on about all the boats coming over as it fits their own agenda. What needs to happen next is to get the number of claims being processed above the number arriving by boat so that the backlog reduces quicker which is what will reduce the numbers being housed in Hotels - the government has said that it is their aim to end the use of these hotels by the end of this parliament, which is what they appear to be working towards. | |||
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"It depends greatly on how you look at it. Since I was a lot younger I was brought up to respect it, and then as I grew older I stood to attention infront of it. I have one now on a proper flag pole in my garden, for the last 200 years in succession, a member of my family (Myself included) has worn the uniform of the King or Queen. Yes, I am a flag waver, and my final journey - all ready arranged I will be draped in the Union Flag of Gt Britain & Northern Ireland. " There aren't that many that know the difference between the Union Jack and the Union Flag. | |||
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"Let upset the apple cart and put up some Cornish flag in Devon " Quite happy to see the Kerno Flag in Devon and vice versa. I just braved crossing the Tamar today as I do frequently. Only thing we can disagree on is , are the chalet rats, Emmets or Grockles? Or if the jam goes first on the scone. | |||
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"Perhaps if it was reported more in the media, people would understand (and also it may act as a deterrent for people if they saw the numbers being removed), rather than certain parts of the media just harping on about all the boats coming over as it fits their own agenda." But naturally conflict is easy news, civil servants and governments actually trying to get on with their jobs isn't. Much easier to report on riots than the gears of admin turning. | |||
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"The question of who is flying which flag and why and is it a good thing seems to have got sidetracked into an immigration issue, which may or may not prove the contention that there is a dark side to the flag flying. I am old enough to recall that the flag was usurped many years ago by the NF, that is within my recollection, maybe it was already accruing unwanted connotations prior to that. I can tell you that this began in areas of Birmingham that are predominantly white, working class, and not areas known for liberal attitudes shall we say. Make of that what you will.. Well just over a week ago there were a bunch protesting outside a hotel being used to house migrants (across the road from where some friends live) some of those flag waving knuckle draggers were chanting for “Tommy Robinson” the former leader of the far right EDL - this was observed and heard by myself. The majority protesting are concerned locals. How messed up that certain Far Left types are triggered by a national flag being flown in that country. If it bothers you then you need to ask yourself why. I love this country and love seeing the flag being flown. " Some of the flags are being provided by a group called “Worley Warriors” which not a lot is known about (they are raising money through crowdfunding). Another group “Operation Raise the Colours” who are also putting up flags have been getting at least some of their funding from a known far right organisation called “Britain First”. “Operation Raise the Colours” was co-founded by a person who (according to a news report) has allegedly had links with both EDL and Britain First. | |||
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"There aren't that many that know the difference between the Union Jack and the Union Flag." Mostly semantics over size and naval use unless you can educate us otherwise? | |||
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"I’m a Taff living in England. Love seeing at last some pride is evident. Now many must stop calling it Jack, that’s at sea and learn the way up it should fly. Just wondering how many of these flags that are being put up comply with the requirement to have the land owners permission to do so. That would apply to all those being put up on public highways (e.g. lamp posts etc). Like many others, while I love my country, I have a lot of loathing for those xenophobic elements that are trying to hi-Jack our national symbols and turn them into something that represents their intolerance. You make a good point, its for the tolerant to reclaim our national symbols and to stand up against the extremely intolerant (left) who want to shout them down. Nail on the head there Except that it is mostly the far right that are the ones trying to hi-Jack the flags as far as I can see." Well put ya fckin glasses on..most of us ain't far right. It's lefty BS. | |||
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"It’s no secret that the immigrants coming in are causing a lot of unrest, the powers that be are doing fuck all useful to fix the problem, the fact that people have started to put flags up is their way to telling the establishment that enough is enough, start putting this country first and stop trying to be all nicely nicely and welcoming to anyone that comes ashore. This country has enough problems already without immigrants pushing our services to breaking point, they get housed into hotels, fed 3 times a day with free access to medical care and various activities groups (sports and the likes) for their mental well-being, were as we natives have to pay for everything 🤷♂️" Well said | |||
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"There aren't that many that know the difference between the Union Jack and the Union Flag. Mostly semantics over size and naval use unless you can educate us otherwise?" Historically The Union Flag was flown on land and the Union Jack (a smaller version of the flag) from a bowsprit flagstaff on naval vessels. When the “Ensign” came into use the “Union Jack” was only flown from a Jack Staff while the ship was in Port. British Ensign Flags come as either White or Red. The Red Ensign is for British Merchant Ships. The White Ensign is for Royal Naval Ships (use was also granted to the “little ships” that took part in “operation dynamo” the Dunkirk evacuation in WW2). | |||
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"Very interesting but hardly relevant to the conversation!! Just answering a question that was asked." And to be fair, diverting the conversation from folks yelling “far right” and “far left” at each other so something to be encouraged! | |||
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"So black people reclaiming the ‘N’ word from bigots is good, gays reclaiming the word ‘queer’ from similar people is good to, but normal people trying to reclaim a flag from the same people makes them racist far right supporters? I don’t follow the logic." There is no logic, you're right to be confused. | |||
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"The question of who is flying which flag and why and is it a good thing seems to have got sidetracked into an immigration issue, which may or may not prove the contention that there is a dark side to the flag flying. I am old enough to recall that the flag was usurped many years ago by the NF, that is within my recollection, maybe it was already accruing unwanted connotations prior to that. I can tell you that this began in areas of Birmingham that are predominantly white, working class, and not areas known for liberal attitudes shall we say. Make of that what you will.. Well just over a week ago there were a bunch protesting outside a hotel being used to house migrants (across the road from where some friends live) some of those flag waving knuckle draggers were chanting for “Tommy Robinson” the former leader of the far right EDL - this was observed and heard by myself. The majority protesting are concerned locals. How messed up that certain Far Left types are triggered by a national flag being flown in that country. If it bothers you then you need to ask yourself why. I love this country and love seeing the flag being flown. Some of the flags are being provided by a group called “Worley Warriors” which not a lot is known about (they are raising money through crowdfunding). Another group “Operation Raise the Colours” who are also putting up flags have been getting at least some of their funding from a known far right organisation called “Britain First”. “Operation Raise the Colours” was co-founded by a person who (according to a news report) has allegedly had links with both EDL and Britain First." Weoley Warriors….from Weoley Castle, south Birmingham. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it." Absolute rubbish, I am from the area that started the flag trend, a group of working me and ex forces fed up of being shouted down for showing any national pride. The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it. Absolute rubbish, I am from the area that started the flag trend, a group of working me and ex forces fed up of being shouted down for showing any national pride. The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end." So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? | |||
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"The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end." Oi you. Don't go appropriating expressions that don't belong to you. A dogwhistle is people like beloved Yaxley or Farage hiding behind patriotism to express their nasty hatreds. Not even having the balls to be outright racist like Enoch Powell. People on the slightly left of centre (there is no such thing as a hard left in Britain, it's antithetical to what the vast majority of us believe) don't need to dogwhistle. Just calling out shitty behaviour for what it is, is enough. | |||
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"Are the flag wavers just virtue signalling instead of doing something useful like, oh, I don't know, volunteering or something? Actually helping the community they live in?" That’s populism 101. Brilliant at telling people what they think is wrong. Pisspoor at getting on with constructively fixing it. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it. Absolute rubbish, I am from the area that started the flag trend, a group of working me and ex forces fed up of being shouted down for showing any national pride. The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties?" Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it." Reminds me far too much of living on Northern Ireland. | |||
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"We know what country we live in, no need for flag waving" Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to this one, sir. And I’m entitled to mine. Which is that your comment is one of the dumbest I’ve ever seen written in the Forum. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it. Absolute rubbish, I am from the area that started the flag trend, a group of working me and ex forces fed up of being shouted down for showing any national pride. The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you." It’s not just crowdfunding though is it? | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it. Absolute rubbish, I am from the area that started the flag trend, a group of working me and ex forces fed up of being shouted down for showing any national pride. The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you. It’s not just crowdfunding though is it? " Weoly warriors is I believe, and the money is only used for putting flags up, nothing else, I’m led to believe. | |||
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"The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you. It’s not just crowdfunding though is it? Weoly warriors is I believe, and the money is only used for putting flags up, nothing else, I’m led to believe." So I will go back to my original question, why is the money coming from racist political parties? | |||
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"The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you. It’s not just crowdfunding though is it? Weoly warriors is I believe, and the money is only used for putting flags up, nothing else, I’m led to believe. So I will go back to my original question, why is the money coming from racist political parties?" Because they want more flags putting up possibly. Why is anyone giving them money? Are they all racists, or is there a conclusion being jumped to? | |||
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"The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you. It’s not just crowdfunding though is it? Weoly warriors is I believe, and the money is only used for putting flags up, nothing else, I’m led to believe. So I will go back to my original question, why is the money coming from racist political parties? Because they want more flags putting up possibly. Why is anyone giving them money? Are they all racists, or is there a conclusion being jumped to?" I don’t think anyone said they were all racists. The question is why it is being funded by racist groups. | |||
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"Most of it is the far right trying to incite racism amongst otherwise sensible people. The flags are everywhere at the moment, hanging from motorway bridges throughout the country. Believe me, it's the hooligan element and far from any patriotism that's responsible for it. Absolute rubbish, I am from the area that started the flag trend, a group of working me and ex forces fed up of being shouted down for showing any national pride. The dog whistle politics of shouting racists if anyone shows any type of patriotism is rapidly coming to an end. So why is the funding coming from racist political parties? Because it’s crowdfunding and anyone can chip in, even me and you. It’s not just crowdfunding though is it? " So you admit some are crowdfunding and not right leaning political parties , if we followed your thinking every flag is being put up by a racist which it patently isn’t How do you stand on the Palestinian flags flying over some neighbourhoods in Britain are you leaning to the Israeli trope that they are all terrorist . | |||
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"Are the flag wavers just virtue signalling instead of doing something useful like, oh, I don't know, volunteering or something? Actually helping the community they live in? That’s populism 101. Brilliant at telling people what they think is wrong. Pisspoor at getting on with constructively fixing it." This is you all over, telling people that they're wrong from the comfort of your phone. All you know is how to criticse others, no substance. | |||
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"Sadly it is the hard-left and politically-correct who have tried to turn flying the flag into an expression of far-right extremism. Remember Boris Johnson got heavily criticised for having a Union Flag in the background during his Covid updates. Yet does anyone get uptight when Presidents Trump or Biden have the American flag in the background or President Macron flying the French flag? Some people just love making _ountains out of molehills. You are rather shooting the messenger here. But it would be a strange post of yours if you didn’t include the phrase “hard left” " Well a lot of people, including Sir Keir Starmer, go on and on and on about the far-right, so why should I not throw in the occasional 'hard-left'? | |||
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"Sadly it is the hard-left and politically-correct who have tried to turn flying the flag into an expression of far-right extremism. ---------------------------- Have you never heard of the National Front, EDL, Britain First and other far-right groups? Their demonstrations were thick with union and St Georges flags." Thank you but I am well aware of these groups and also saddened that they have hijacked our national flags for their own ends. Seems a great shame now that you cannot fly the flag or show national pride without being condemned as an extremist. Not so many years ago, probably less than 20, I was on holiday in East Anglia during either the football World Cup or the Euros. Streets were festooned with St George's flags as were many cars. Kids were walking around with the St George's Cross either on their Tshirts or painted on their cheeks. I thought it was great. Never entered my head that it was really a far-right rally | |||
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"Are the flag wavers just virtue signalling instead of doing something useful like, oh, I don't know, volunteering or something? Actually helping the community they live in? That’s populism 101. Brilliant at telling people what they think is wrong. Pisspoor at getting on with constructively fixing it. This is you all over, telling people that they're wrong from the comfort of your phone. All you know is how to criticse others, no substance. " Are you having a nice bank holiday..? You seem a bit wound. Pop a chakra in and do an Om Mani Padme Hum on me, and let it all hang loose, sweetheart. | |||
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