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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." 👎👎👎 | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." 100% | |||
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"Be careful what you wish for. They are not lgb friendly."   best comment so far | |||
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"Bunch of racist wan@&rs !!!... also their boss Mr farridge has already been breaking the parliamentary rules with his dealings. " | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." so you are going to vote for a party that will make you poorer and remove your human rights? smart | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. so you are going to vote for a party that will make you poorer and remove your human rights? smart " | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." if you dislike the labour government why are you wearing Red kinkers | |||
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"Be careful what you wish for. They are not lgb friendly." No party's a lgb friendly. Its all about votes and where they can get more votes from. | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." That’s how the Nazi party became popular and Germany became a fascist state. | |||
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"Until Boris makes his comeback!!! Says he not finished in politics… Ps that’s not saying I’ve voted for him ! " He's got no chance, told way too many lies | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." You need to enlist prophets to rectify the chaos within your cherished Boris party. How could you overlook that significant turmoil? Do you really believe that a 14-year mess can be resolved in just two years? | |||
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"I've said this before, so it's not only because Labour are currently in power. But if the media just left the government alone and let them do the job they were elected to do, instead of continually delving into obscure files just to discredit them, then the country would be in a much better state. " I wonder if you felt the same about Covid parties? The media is doing its job and exposed sleaze and cronyism within this Government. Shame the mainstream media cant bring itself to be critical as well. What a state the country is in. Also what a state the once proud Labour Party is in. | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now."
I tend to think the same but would rather it wasn't Reform. Labour is run by an incompetent ditherer and Reform is run by a self-centred ego-maniac | |||
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"I've said this before, so it's not only because Labour are currently in power. But if the media just left the government alone and let them do the job they were elected to do, instead of continually delving into obscure files just to discredit them, then the country would be in a much better state. I wonder if you felt the same about Covid parties? The media is doing its job and exposed sleaze and cronyism within this Government. Shame the mainstream media cant bring itself to be critical as well. What a state the country is in. Also what a state the once proud Labour Party is in. " The 'covid parties' got my back up, and they never should have happened, it wasn't the job of the media to draw attention to them. The Labour Party is certainly having a dip in popularity at the moment caused in no small way by the constant media scourge amongst other things. | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now." Really? The Germans thought that some years ago and elected Hitler. Farage may not be that bad at the moment, but it doesn't mean w could get there. | |||
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"Bunch of racist wan@&rs !!!... also their boss Mr farridge has already been breaking the parliamentary rules with his dealings. " Hasn't everyone? | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. Really? The Germans thought that some years ago and elected Hitler. Farage may not be that bad at the moment, but it doesn't mean w could get there. " Back at you with Labour's Starmer/Stalin confusion | |||
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"Such is the UK's dependence on immigrants Reform would be in the same position as the others We don't like doing shit jobs and we don't want to train professionals when we can suck them in from poor countries" Such an old fashioned outlook. 10 years from now there will be so many jobs which are automated. We just don't need as many humans. Sorry to be the bearer of grim news. We certainly don't need fast food idiots on bicycles. | |||
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"Such is the UK's dependence on immigrants Reform would be in the same position as the others We don't like doing shit jobs and we don't want to train professionals when we can suck them in from poor countries Such an old fashioned outlook. 10 years from now there will be so many jobs which are automated. We just don't need as many humans. Sorry to be the bearer of grim news. We certainly don't need fast food idiots on bicycles. " That's probably why Labour just oversaw the highest decrease in net migration of all time then? With more to come. What has the Tories record on immigration got to do with the current government? | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. Really? The Germans thought that some years ago and elected Hitler. Farage may not be that bad at the moment, but it doesn't mean w could get there. " People in Russia thought Lenin was the issue. But it was Stalin sat quietly in the wings. Farage might be just the wrecking ball. | |||
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"The country isn't even in that bad a state. We had covid and then an energy crisis. Things take time to fix. Right wing populism is blatantly not the solution. See USA. It would be an absolute shitshow." Not that bad a state?? Good lord, its on it's arse ! | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now.if you dislike the labour government why are you wearing Red kinkers " Kinkers eh? Besides colour means nothing. I have a good display of red roses, fuchsias and gladioli out in my garden at the moment but no way am I a Labour supported. At least I haven't got any flowers in that wishy-washy prison-cell blue that Mr Farage likes. | |||
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"I've said this before, so it's not only because Labour are currently in power. But if the media just left the government alone and let them do the job they were elected to do, instead of continually delving into obscure files just to discredit them, then the country would be in a much better state. I wonder if you felt the same about Covid parties? The media is doing its job and exposed sleaze and cronyism within this Government. Shame the mainstream media cant bring itself to be critical as well. What a state the country is in. Also what a state the once proud Labour Party is in. The 'covid parties' got my back up, and they never should have happened, it wasn't the job of the media to draw attention to them. The Labour Party is certainly having a dip in popularity at the moment caused in no small way by the constant media scourge amongst other things. " Some would say the media is shining a light on the Government's failings. The Government may not like it but they should have realised while in opposition that the full glare of publicity falls on them when in Government. They need to get themselves sorted. | |||
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"Such is the UK's dependence on immigrants Reform would be in the same position as the others We don't like doing shit jobs and we don't want to train professionals when we can suck them in from poor countries Such an old fashioned outlook. 10 years from now there will be so many jobs which are automated. We just don't need as many humans. Sorry to be the bearer of grim news. We certainly don't need fast food idiots on bicycles. That's probably why Labour just oversaw the highest decrease in net migration of all time then? With more to come. What has the Tories record on immigration got to do with the current government?" Tories were shite too. Why is our GDP per capita so crap. | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol" Doesn't seem like a good strategy. I get the feeling that people are looking for something different to the two main parties. | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. so you are going to vote for a party that will make you poorer and remove your human rights? smart " Lol. That's what the current party is doing, what you talking about. Smart! | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. so you are going to vote for a party that will make you poorer and remove your human rights? smart Lol. That's what the current party is doing, what you talking about. Smart!" So voting for a party that will go even further makes sense? Smart. | |||
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"Bunch of racist wan@&rs !!!... also their boss Mr farridge has already been breaking the parliamentary rules with his dealings. " The favourite word of the unwashed Fascists racist right wing . Can’t think anything like putting Brits first which I’m sure all British people if honest want . | |||
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"All these posts end up with the same commenters just repeating the same things over and over like stuck records. " Well scroll on ? Or add new content . | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. so you are going to vote for a party that will make you poorer and remove your human rights? smart " All that might be so... but we are running out of options! The two traditional parties have proved to be a shambles! We need a knight in shining armor on a great white charger; where is he?  | |||
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"I've said this before, so it's not only because Labour are currently in power. But if the media just left the government alone and let them do the job they were elected to do, instead of continually delving into obscure files just to discredit them, then the country would be in a much better state. " If they were not up to no good... they could not be discredited! Would you rather their dodgy dealings remain hidden? D'oh! | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol" Yep - equally crap ….if not more . At least the Tories have vast experience of fucking us up though. Nigel’s fan club offer many new avenues for fucking up the country. Uncounted Economic plan that simply doesn’t add up….but that’s OK cos at least we can blame future failures on all those nasty immigrants. Just remember, this is the guy who brought us Brexit …& what a tremendous success that has been for us all….. | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol Yep - equally crap ….if not more . At least the Tories have vast experience of fucking us up though. Nigel’s fan club offer many new avenues for fucking up the country. Uncounted Economic plan that simply doesn’t add up….but that’s OK cos at least we can blame future failures on all those nasty immigrants. Just remember, this is the guy who brought us Brexit …& what a tremendous success that has been for us all….." Not a Reform supporter but our current shower of shit Government clearly had an unaccounted manifesto too (I can’t call it a plan) So many broken promises already and even the ones they have implemented have failed to raise the money they claimed they would. | |||
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"Which broken promises?" £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you?" Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved! | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved!" Which two? | |||
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"Be careful what you wish for. They are not lgb friendly." LGBT ? | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved!" Not yet met? Every one has either been broken or made worse. No you can’t do everything in 14 months but you don’t fuck it up even further! | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved! Not yet met? Every one has either been broken or made worse. No you can’t do everything in 14 months but you don’t fuck it up even further!" I see what you did there. Very smart | |||
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"I wonder if ‘stop the boats’ was more effective than ‘smash the gangs’? " Doesn’t matter what you call it, it has failed | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. so you are going to vote for a party that will make you poorer and remove your human rights? smart " Yea but they will get rid of the brown people and the internet tells me that’s what I need most of all. | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved! Not yet met? Every one has either been broken or made worse. No you can’t do everything in 14 months but you don’t fuck it up even further!" Fuck it up further? Immigration is halved, the NHS backlog is coming down at a steady pace. Housebuilding is starting to rise. What a fuck up. | |||
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"Until Boris makes his comeback!!! Says he not finished in politics… Ps that’s not saying I’ve voted for him ! He's got no chance, told way too many lies " Like all politicians | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved! Not yet met? Every one has either been broken or made worse. No you can’t do everything in 14 months but you don’t fuck it up even further! Fuck it up further? Immigration is halved, the NHS backlog is coming down at a steady pace. Housebuilding is starting to rise. What a fuck up. " House building is not rising. The 1.5 million (extra) houses is way behind programme. No one knows we’re all the extra labour and materials to achieve the “additional houses” will come from. The NHS has more appointments because they make them, cancel them, make them again. It’s a con. Comparison figures are against when the doctors were on strike and millions of appointments were cancelled. Illegal immigration is going up. Inflation up Taxes up Fuel prices up Council tax up Unemployment up Corruption in Government up “Black hole” up Discontent up It’s a total fuck “up” | |||
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"Well articulated, my friend. If you remove the term 'immigrants' from Reform’s manifesto, you'll find a one-word document that lacks substance. Just as you mentioned regarding Brexit, we are currently experiencing it, and not only have conditions not improved, but we also find ourselves in a fractured nation. What actions did Farage take post-Brexit? He vanished... in reality, he contributed nothing. Farage is a deceitful individual who aims to undermine the country." He didn't completely vanish. He, along with his mates Tice and Banks, (who, so far has funded his lifestyle to the tune of over half a million) did spend the intervening time repeatedly picking fights with the widow of Jo Cox, clearly unencumbered by any sort of guilt over the significant role that their rhetoric played in bringing about her murder in the first place. | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol" The Conservatives and Reform UK have big differences in their ideas and policies. The Tories cover a wide range of views and take a balanced approach, while Reform UK focuses mainly on immigration and euroscepticism. The Conservatives have a history of practical leadership, whereas Reform UK's approach can be more extreme. They're not the same thing at all, far from it in fact! | |||
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"I wonder if ‘stop the boats’ was more effective than ‘smash the gangs’? " Neither have been effective. The only thing Starmer has smashed are the records. | |||
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"Until Boris makes his comeback!!! Says he not finished in politics… Ps that’s not saying I’ve voted for him ! He's got no chance, told way too many lies " Didn't hurt trump, berlusconi, orban, many others. But it's clear the main media has made up it's mind they are pushing for reform. Even though the serious opposition is green/indi coalition. If "new labour" want to have any significant future they need to bring in PR. | |||
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"Until Boris makes his comeback!!! Says he not finished in politics… Ps that’s not saying I’ve voted for him ! He's got no chance, told way too many lies " Worked… or more precisely didn’t matter before, or for Mandelson, never say never…do say.,’oh but he has changed’ he hasn’t. | |||
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"I've said this before, so it's not only because Labour are currently in power. But if the media just left the government alone and let them do the job they were elected to do, instead of continually delving into obscure files just to discredit them, then the country would be in a much better state. " I fully believe in freedom of the press, these things need to be given light, but the obsession with the details means distraction from the big picture and a government fire fighting poor publicity ( their own fault) means the successes are not highlighted few though they may be. | |||
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"Until Boris makes his comeback!!! Says he not finished in politics… Ps that’s not saying I’ve voted for him ! He's got no chance, told way too many lies Didn't hurt trump, berlusconi, orban, many others. But it's clear the main media has made up it's mind they are pushing for reform. Even though the serious opposition is green/indi coalition. If "new labour" want to have any significant future they need to bring in PR. " Green Indi and Reform all have one dimensional manifestos. They don’t have a full raft of policies to govern the country. Reform appear to have a groundswell of support at the moment but people will think twice when they see how inexperienced their candidates are and how thin their manifestos are at a GE | |||
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"Bunch of racist wan@&rs !!!... also their boss Mr farridge has already been breaking the parliamentary rules with his dealings. Hasn't everyone? " Bozo not even in power and he is breaking the rules.. | |||
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"Such is the UK's dependence on immigrants Reform would be in the same position as the others We don't like doing shit jobs and we don't want to train professionals when we can suck them in from poor countries Such an old fashioned outlook. 10 years from now there will be so many jobs which are automated. We just don't need as many humans. Sorry to be the bearer of grim news. We certainly don't need fast food idiots on bicycles. " Ten years ago those jobs didn’t exist… now you can’t move for electric clowns. | |||
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"Greens and independents for actual plans that have worked elsewhere. Not old money conservatives Not petrochemical lobby firm reform Not MI5 run center right starmer" Surprisingly Greens and Reform have a lot in common. Both want to take us back into the past. Greens would have us riding around in horses and carts, living on cabbages and lentils and in bed by 7pm in winter so as to avoid fossil fuel to keep us warm. Reform would have everyone, except for their own elite, back as peasants and serfs. | |||
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"Greens and independents for actual plans that have worked elsewhere. Not old money conservatives Not petrochemical lobby firm reform Not MI5 run center right starmer Surprisingly Greens and Reform have a lot in common. Both want to take us back into the past. Greens would have us riding around in horses and carts, living on cabbages and lentils and in bed by 7pm in winter so as to avoid fossil fuel to keep us warm. Reform would have everyone, except for their own elite, back as peasants and serfs." We have already slept-walked into new feudalism; half of your income going to pay the overlords for housing and the rest spent on heavily taxed energy leaving barely enough for subsistence level food. | |||
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"I have woken up to the fact that we are “ Fucked” . The green issue is like shutting the door after the horse has bolted . In 50 years should there be anyone left on the planet , we will be reaping the adverse effects off intense lithium mining across the planet , the removal of natural ground heat , severe drought as data centres take more and more for cooling and most of us will have chosen death rather than living in a 6”x 4” eco pod …eating insects …. Glad I won’t be here …." Who will fit in a 6 inch x 4 inch ego pod? | |||
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" broken promises? £300 off your energy bill " Delivery date 2030, saving based on clean energy policies and curbing excessive fuel industry profits, policies which reform and Tories have vowed to reverse. " No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase " Statement on council tax was 23/24 never said he'd extend it. Was not in manifesto. Said "no new tax on working people" They haven't. " Promises to the WASPIE women " Poor communications from previous governments, landed Starmer with a 10 billon compensation claim. He never agreed to pay it. " General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) " Given the enormous debt run up during COVID and abject if not deliberate management of the reclaim process, starmer's government have the biggest debt in history of the country since the second world war. Charles the second and king John are comparable finances! We sold the family silver to pay off the American "loans" post ww2. We have just agreed to a tide equivalent to 3%of GDP to the American arms industry to avoid crippling economy tariffs, there is no silver left to sell. And so interest rate across the western world have gone up. That's not Starmer, that's us and every other government being twisted over a barrel by international banks that have more power than our elected representatives. This is a multi generational development not a five year govt failing. Any govt will have same problem. None of them have a solution. " Smash the gangs - more boats every day " Immigration is down, cost of boarder force contracts are down, the back log is being reduced (and once they get permission to work employment rates for migrants are higher than for indigenous), smash the gangs was a stupid slogan and not one anyone can verify reliably. " No more corruption in Government - Hahaha " Well it's government and that's a "throw enough poop complaint", you can't really argue without facts and they don't surface for decades if at all.... But.. compared to fast track in COVID we are out of third world kleptocracy realm, There is at least a veneer in place again. We lost 21 billion to "fraud and error" during COVID and the vast majority Johnson decided not to pursue. The govt figures for the same in 21-22 were 800k. That's proven fraud mostly against civil servants. Misuse of office and if official funds is something both Reform and Tories have been found guilty off. Reforms Mr Farage makes a point of sailing as close to the allowable interpretations of his dealings as possible and has frequently crossed the line. So did and is Johnson. All they have on starmer's lot is half a million in freebies (declared) since 2019. There is no link with that to undue influence. Compare that to hundreds of millions in loans negotiated through Johnson, and at the minor personal end of the scale redecorating to his then current girlfriend's s taste via her long term pals with the bill picked up by corporate doner who subsequently benefited directly from government policy. Corruption for personal gain isn't the biggest worry with starmer's crowd, and that's a refreshing change. " House building is not rising. The 1.5 million (extra) houses is way behind programme. No one knows we’re all the extra labour and materials to achieve the “additional houses” will come from. " Target is behind. Labour and materials not an issue if you pay for them , restrictions cheap labour and materials from India and China may be a restriction on the profits of UK construction, but certainly will not damage standards where industry has been allowed to mark it's own homework for far too long and has been particularly generous with MPs in the past to make sure it stays that way. What starmer's government has managed to do is oversee the first increase in local government home building in 20 years. It's very slow, but is a start and it's encouraged by govt policy. " NHS has more appointments because they make them, cancel them, make them again. It’s a con. Comparison figures are against when the doctors were on strike and millions of appointments were cancelled. " I can't get coherent stats on that. Sell off of NHS is apparently continuing and with it "pay to use" commercial services are increasingly draining profit from NHS. The lobby to destroy it is enormous. " Illegal immigration is going up. " Who gives a flying phuq?!? 0.16 percent of population? Fat smokers cost us more!! You want migrants out? Once you have let them in and given them work visa make it a life time right. 50% as a minimum will go back home based on evidence of previous migrants, (so we are not paying for their old age care costs). Change that gate preventing voluntary remigration, and total immigration will almost certainly fall and by 1.5 percentage points - that's ten times the number of the people arriving by boat. And for god's sake rebuild working relationship with EU and let's have access to refugee fingerprints and application records? Inflation up - previous governments, over 40 years, halved approx the value of the pound in global terms. So yes inflation is up! Taxes up - not for vast majority of working individuals and stealth tax via cuts to benefits and services are down. Fuel prices/council tax up - not govt decisions. Though caps on both are an option. (Wait for civil war if you try and cap oil companies right to charge what they want. ) Unemployment up - Fair. (Hey one valid complaint!!) But show me where this isn't on trend for northwestern Europe and USA? Corruption in Government up - no evidence “Black hole” up - yep banks and gilt markets are having a Bonanza !! Discontent up - then stop reading the "let's throw s£it" daily hiel/telegraph/express and times? Look where money is going and look at who benefits. Starmer is a centre right establishment stooge. But he's not a carpetbagging crook of the type that others recommend. | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol Yep - equally crap ….if not more . At least the Tories have vast experience of fucking us up though. Nigel’s fan club offer many new avenues for fucking up the country. Uncounted Economic plan that simply doesn’t add up….but that’s OK cos at least we can blame future failures on all those nasty immigrants. Just remember, this is the guy who brought us Brexit …& what a tremendous success that has been for us all….. Not a Reform supporter but our current shower of shit Government clearly had an unaccounted manifesto too (I can’t call it a plan) So many broken promises already and even the ones they have implemented have failed to raise the money they claimed they would." (New) Labour had an unspoken plan to soak the poor and the pensioners... what they thought was the low hanging fruit to fix the massive hole in the countys economy! They did not have the guts to go after the real money... i.e. the disproportionate huge salaries and pentions of CEO's, corporate tax avoidance, private utility shareholders pocketing our money and profits from automation going to the few and not being shared out for the benefit of society as a whole... if it was they would be lowering the retirement age with better pensions and a shorter working week with better pay for the working class! We are being played like a fiddle by incompitant politicians (from all parties) and the men in grey suits who are robbing us blind! We are fecked... | |||
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"I seem to remember labour in opperssition,they had no policies and just attacted the goverment ,most oppersition parties show there hands nearer a election " Yes, Starmer and his cohorts seized power with a hidden agenda that dared not speak its name! The left in the party were told to keep quite and the promised land they craved would arrive when in power! Now the left have realised thet they have been hoodwinked... their wil be a blood bath for Starmer and his pale blue Tories! | |||
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"It's unfortunate that the Labour party's good policies are completely overshadowed by the fuck ups that individuals in the government are making, which grab the headlines. The right wing media are Reform obsessed with that fraud 'man of the people' Nigel NF Farage as their poster boy. If Reform win the next election then God help us all." Then the ordinary sensible politicians need to get their act together and quick! Their current incompetence is leaving a gaping hole that Farage and Reform (many ex Tories looking to get on the gravy train) will walk through! | |||
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"Which broken promises? £300 off your energy bill No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Promises to the WASPIE women General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Smash the gangs - more boats every day No more corruption in Government - Hahaha That enough for you? Well two are totally untrue and some are not yet met but I guess in 12 moths everything in a Manifesto should already have been achieved! Not yet met? Every one has either been broken or made worse. No you can’t do everything in 14 months but you don’t fuck it up even further! Fuck it up further? Immigration is halved, the NHS backlog is coming down at a steady pace. Housebuilding is starting to rise. What a fuck up. House building is not rising. The 1.5 million (extra) houses is way behind programme. No one knows we’re all the extra labour and materials to achieve the “additional houses” will come from. The NHS has more appointments because they make them, cancel them, make them again. It’s a con. Comparison figures are against when the doctors were on strike and millions of appointments were cancelled. Illegal immigration is going up. Inflation up Taxes up Fuel prices up Council tax up Unemployment up Corruption in Government up “Black hole” up Discontent up It’s a total fuck “up”" | |||
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"Because there is a general assumption, often bandied about by the Left, that all right-wingers are anti-gay, I have enquired, via email, to several right-wing groups about their stance on LGBT. Most--although very small groups/parties--got back to me and said they were not anti and had no intention of changing laws in the highly unlikely event of them gaining power. With Reform I got the standard online reply of 'Thank you for your enquiry. We will answer your question shortly'. Several months have gone by and still no reply." I only ever saw 2 firm policy commitments from UKIP when the nicotine stained frog was leader. One of them was the repeal of the Equal Marriage act. (The other being a tax policy that would have made the richest 14% richer and the lower 86% poorer). | |||
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"I have woken up to the fact that we are “ Fucked” . The green issue is like shutting the door after the horse has bolted . In 50 years should there be anyone left on the planet , we will be reaping the adverse effects off intense lithium mining across the planet , the removal of natural ground heat , severe drought as data centres take more and more for cooling and most of us will have chosen death rather than living in a 6”x 4” eco pod …eating insects …. Glad I won’t be here …. Who will fit in a 6 inch x 4 inch ego pod?" I think my cock would fit in there quite nicely. | |||
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" broken promises? £300 off your energy bill Delivery date 2030, saving based on clean energy policies and curbing excessive fuel industry profits, policies which reform and Tories have vowed to reverse. No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Statement on council tax was 23/24 never said he'd extend it. Was not in manifesto. Said "no new tax on working people" They haven't. Promises to the WASPIE women Poor communications from previous governments, landed Starmer with a 10 billon compensation claim. He never agreed to pay it. General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Given the enormous debt run up during COVID and abject if not deliberate management of the reclaim process, starmer's government have the biggest debt in history of the country since the second world war. Charles the second and king John are comparable finances! We sold the family silver to pay off the American "loans" post ww2. We have just agreed to a tide equivalent to 3%of GDP to the American arms industry to avoid crippling economy tariffs, there is no silver left to sell. And so interest rate across the western world have gone up. That's not Starmer, that's us and every other government being twisted over a barrel by international banks that have more power than our elected representatives. This is a multi generational development not a five year govt failing. Any govt will have same problem. None of them have a solution. Smash the gangs - more boats every day Immigration is down, cost of boarder force contracts are down, the back log is being reduced (and once they get permission to work employment rates for migrants are higher than for indigenous), smash the gangs was a stupid slogan and not one anyone can verify reliably. No more corruption in Government - Hahaha Well it's government and that's a "throw enough poop complaint", you can't really argue without facts and they don't surface for decades if at all.... But.. compared to fast track in COVID we are out of third world kleptocracy realm, There is at least a veneer in place again. We lost 21 billion to "fraud and error" during COVID and the vast majority Johnson decided not to pursue. The govt figures for the same in 21-22 were 800k. That's proven fraud mostly against civil servants. Misuse of office and if official funds is something both Reform and Tories have been found guilty off. Reforms Mr Farage makes a point of sailing as close to the allowable interpretations of his dealings as possible and has frequently crossed the line. So did and is Johnson. All they have on starmer's lot is half a million in freebies (declared) since 2019. There is no link with that to undue influence. Compare that to hundreds of millions in loans negotiated through Johnson, and at the minor personal end of the scale redecorating to his then current girlfriend's s taste via her long term pals with the bill picked up by corporate doner who subsequently benefited directly from government policy. Corruption for personal gain isn't the biggest worry with starmer's crowd, and that's a refreshing change. House building is not rising. The 1.5 million (extra) houses is way behind programme. No one knows we’re all the extra labour and materials to achieve the “additional houses” will come from. Target is behind. Labour and materials not an issue if you pay for them , restrictions cheap labour and materials from India and China may be a restriction on the profits of UK construction, but certainly will not damage standards where industry has been allowed to mark it's own homework for far too long and has been particularly generous with MPs in the past to make sure it stays that way. What starmer's government has managed to do is oversee the first increase in local government home building in 20 years. It's very slow, but is a start and it's encouraged by govt policy. NHS has more appointments because they make them, cancel them, make them again. It’s a con. Comparison figures are against when the doctors were on strike and millions of appointments were cancelled. I can't get coherent stats on that. Sell off of NHS is apparently continuing and with it "pay to use" commercial services are increasingly draining profit from NHS. The lobby to destroy it is enormous. Illegal immigration is going up. Who gives a flying phuq?!? 0.16 percent of population? Fat smokers cost us more!! You want migrants out? Once you have let them in and given them work visa make it a life time right. 50% as a minimum will go back home based on evidence of previous migrants, (so we are not paying for their old age care costs). Change that gate preventing voluntary remigration, and total immigration will almost certainly fall and by 1.5 percentage points - that's ten times the number of the people arriving by boat. And for god's sake rebuild working relationship with EU and let's have access to refugee fingerprints and application records? Inflation up - previous governments, over 40 years, halved approx the value of the pound in global terms. So yes inflation is up! Taxes up - not for vast majority of working individuals and stealth tax via cuts to benefits and services are down. Fuel prices/council tax up - not govt decisions. Though caps on both are an option. (Wait for civil war if you try and cap oil companies right to charge what they want. ) Unemployment up - Fair. (Hey one valid complaint!!) But show me where this isn't on trend for northwestern Europe and USA? Corruption in Government up - no evidence “Black hole” up - yep banks and gilt markets are having a Bonanza !! Discontent up - then stop reading the "let's throw s£it" daily hiel/telegraph/express and times? Look where money is going and look at who benefits. Starmer is a centre right establishment stooge. But he's not a carpetbagging crook of the type that others recommend. " A well considered post. Factually correct. So much more intelligently coherent than the howling broad stroke posts I’ve seen on here. Some men on here would benefit from some further education, would benefit by learning some debating skills so that others take their posts seriously and would benefit me from allowing me not to waste my time reading hysterically nonsensical bollocks. | |||
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" broken promises? £300 off your energy bill Delivery date 2030, saving based on clean energy policies and curbing excessive fuel industry profits, policies which reform and Tories have vowed to reverse. No increase in council tax (Starmer’s personal promise repeated many many times during the campaign) No tax increase Statement on council tax was 23/24 never said he'd extend it. Was not in manifesto. Said "no new tax on working people" They haven't. Promises to the WASPIE women Poor communications from previous governments, landed Starmer with a 10 billon compensation claim. He never agreed to pay it. General fiscal control (“Black hole” now 4 times what it was when they came in, inflation rising, unemployment rising) Given the enormous debt run up during COVID and abject if not deliberate management of the reclaim process, starmer's government have the biggest debt in history of the country since the second world war. Charles the second and king John are comparable finances! We sold the family silver to pay off the American "loans" post ww2. We have just agreed to a tide equivalent to 3%of GDP to the American arms industry to avoid crippling economy tariffs, there is no silver left to sell. And so interest rate across the western world have gone up. That's not Starmer, that's us and every other government being twisted over a barrel by international banks that have more power than our elected representatives. This is a multi generational development not a five year govt failing. Any govt will have same problem. None of them have a solution. Smash the gangs - more boats every day Immigration is down, cost of boarder force contracts are down, the back log is being reduced (and once they get permission to work employment rates for migrants are higher than for indigenous), smash the gangs was a stupid slogan and not one anyone can verify reliably. No more corruption in Government - Hahaha Well it's government and that's a "throw enough poop complaint", you can't really argue without facts and they don't surface for decades if at all.... But.. compared to fast track in COVID we are out of third world kleptocracy realm, There is at least a veneer in place again. We lost 21 billion to "fraud and error" during COVID and the vast majority Johnson decided not to pursue. The govt figures for the same in 21-22 were 800k. That's proven fraud mostly against civil servants. Misuse of office and if official funds is something both Reform and Tories have been found guilty off. Reforms Mr Farage makes a point of sailing as close to the allowable interpretations of his dealings as possible and has frequently crossed the line. So did and is Johnson. All they have on starmer's lot is half a million in freebies (declared) since 2019. There is no link with that to undue influence. Compare that to hundreds of millions in loans negotiated through Johnson, and at the minor personal end of the scale redecorating to his then current girlfriend's s taste via her long term pals with the bill picked up by corporate doner who subsequently benefited directly from government policy. Corruption for personal gain isn't the biggest worry with starmer's crowd, and that's a refreshing change. House building is not rising. The 1.5 million (extra) houses is way behind programme. No one knows we’re all the extra labour and materials to achieve the “additional houses” will come from. Target is behind. Labour and materials not an issue if you pay for them , restrictions cheap labour and materials from India and China may be a restriction on the profits of UK construction, but certainly will not damage standards where industry has been allowed to mark it's own homework for far too long and has been particularly generous with MPs in the past to make sure it stays that way. What starmer's government has managed to do is oversee the first increase in local government home building in 20 years. It's very slow, but is a start and it's encouraged by govt policy. NHS has more appointments because they make them, cancel them, make them again. It’s a con. Comparison figures are against when the doctors were on strike and millions of appointments were cancelled. I can't get coherent stats on that. Sell off of NHS is apparently continuing and with it "pay to use" commercial services are increasingly draining profit from NHS. The lobby to destroy it is enormous. Illegal immigration is going up. Who gives a flying phuq?!? 0.16 percent of population? Fat smokers cost us more!! You want migrants out? Once you have let them in and given them work visa make it a life time right. 50% as a minimum will go back home based on evidence of previous migrants, (so we are not paying for their old age care costs). Change that gate preventing voluntary remigration, and total immigration will almost certainly fall and by 1.5 percentage points - that's ten times the number of the people arriving by boat. And for god's sake rebuild working relationship with EU and let's have access to refugee fingerprints and application records? Inflation up - previous governments, over 40 years, halved approx the value of the pound in global terms. So yes inflation is up! Taxes up - not for vast majority of working individuals and stealth tax via cuts to benefits and services are down. Fuel prices/council tax up - not govt decisions. Though caps on both are an option. (Wait for civil war if you try and cap oil companies right to charge what they want. ) Unemployment up - Fair. (Hey one valid complaint!!) But show me where this isn't on trend for northwestern Europe and USA? Corruption in Government up - no evidence “Black hole” up - yep banks and gilt markets are having a Bonanza !! Discontent up - then stop reading the "let's throw s£it" daily hiel/telegraph/express and times? Look where money is going and look at who benefits. Starmer is a centre right establishment stooge. But he's not a carpetbagging crook of the type that others recommend. " Well someone fell for the Labour bullshit spin Lol Just to highlight your first point to show you talk bollocks. 2030 was only mentioned after the GE. Promise was before. Oh and by the way, that is after the next GE so it would hardly be valid would it? As I said, you fell for it and for the latest bollocks. | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol" And the Conservatives are the new also ran. What the hell are the also rans gonna become ! | |||
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"Because there is a general assumption, often bandied about by the Left, that all right-wingers are anti-gay, I have enquired, via email, to several right-wing groups about their stance on LGBT. Most--although very small groups/parties--got back to me and said they were not anti and had no intention of changing laws in the highly unlikely event of them gaining power. With Reform I got the standard online reply of 'Thank you for your enquiry. We will answer your question shortly'. Several months have gone by and still no reply." It’s a well made point and as a consummate lefty it is an uncomfortable truth that when it comes to rights for non straight people, us on the left prefer to spend time falling out over how to make it theoretically perfect but often achieving little apart from factionalism, and those on the centre right just make some laws in good faith to try to improve matters. One method creates tangible improvement and one method creates acrimony. But I said centre right for a reason. Reform don’t give a fuck, | |||
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"Reform are the new Conservative Party lol And the Conservatives are the new also ran. What the hell are the also rans gonna become !" Starmers Labour Party by the look of things | |||
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"anyone who supports reform needs their heads checked. latest right wing Christian extremist defected from the Tories peddling the "marriage is between man and woman" line 'they won't come for me!' said the VnJ bunch of mugs to think they would make this country a better place for all of us and not just themselves whilst stirring anti LGBT pro white supremacist rhetoric" "whilst stirring anti LGBT pro white supremacist rhetoric" Sorry but they have done neither of those things. What you did there is research from within the mind | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. Really? The Germans thought that some years ago and elected Hitler. Farage may not be that bad at the moment, but it doesn't mean w could get there. " So a bit like the uk already and that's Labours doing. Don't be a Sucker: https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4?si=1NOKCib_6VRf-lFj | |||
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"The country isn't even in that bad a state. We had covid and then an energy crisis. Things take time to fix. Right wing populism is blatantly not the solution. See USA. It would be an absolute shitshow." Energy bills still going up in October. | |||
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"Maria Cauliflower- they're really attracting top talent - it's a bit like the Apprentice but in reverse" She was in post for 9 years, then lost to the Lib Dems. I don’t see she made any great change. Now she’s gone to Reform. | |||
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"A party for thick cunts and rich people looking to take advantage of said thick cunts " It’s never been a bad business model in the UK before, why should that change now? | |||
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"Reform are our only hope " Then we truly are fucked. Might save the Tories ..,when they merge. | |||
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"Reform has really become a one-man-cult. Here in Wales we go to the polls next May for the Senedd elections. Reform are pushing as hard as they can and could well become the 2nd largest party in the 'Cardiff Hot-Air House'. But whenever we see Reform mentioned in Wales it is always accompanied by Farage's sinister mug. Yet he is not standing for the Senedd and we still don't know who its leader is in Wales. He's been here and waffled about cutting red-tape [unlikely] helping farmers [again unlikely] re-opening coal mines [cost prohibitive] re-firing up blast furnaces [again cost prohibitive and not exactly eco friendly] Reckon he just want to use Wales as a launch-pad for his ego trip towards the next general election. In truth I don't believe he gives a damn about Wales and really views us as 2nd class colonials." If he has any view at all beyond his ego. | |||
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"anyone who supports reform needs their heads checked. latest right wing Christian extremist defected from the Tories peddling the "marriage is between man and woman" line 'they won't come for me!' said the VnJ bunch of mugs to think they would make this country a better place for all of us and not just themselves whilst stirring anti LGBT pro white supremacist rhetoric "whilst stirring anti LGBT pro white supremacist rhetoric" Sorry but they have done neither of those things. What you did there is research from within the mind " nope it's called paying attention to the words they say, the actions they take, and the company they keep. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it's not happening. | |||
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"Good to know that the left wing keyboard warriors are as idiotic ever." Care to explain how? Or just prefer to yell insults? | |||
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"Just my opinion….Farage is odious I couldn’t vote for ANY party he was in" I feel the same. Just don't like or trust the man. I find him false, devious and definitely dodgy. | |||
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"Good to know that the left wing keyboard warriors are as idiotic ever." Not all Reformsceptics are left-wing. Though I think the rightish-wing ones are putting over some more valid arguments | |||
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"Good to know that the left wing keyboard warriors are as idiotic ever. Not all Reformsceptics are left-wing. Though I think the rightish-wing ones are putting over some more valid arguments" Valid arguments aren’t really in the wheelhouse of Reform though. They prefer to say only what is wrong, and to solve it we will…*insert populist mantra here*. If they had any coherent arguments and not just hackneyed populist nonsense then they would get more credence from those who aren’t just indulging in a culture war. But unfortunately like you said, it’s not just the lefties who are skeptical. | |||
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"Good to know that the left wing keyboard warriors are as idiotic ever. Not all Reformsceptics are left-wing. Though I think the rightish-wing ones are putting over some more valid arguments" Indeed the more moderate’one nation’ conservatives can see right through this charlatan…and I wouldn’t bet against some of the left thinking…’hmmm he does have a point’ | |||
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"Just my opinion….Farage is odious I couldn’t vote for ANY party he was in I feel the same. Just don't like or trust the man. I find him false, devious and definitely dodgy." The Nationwide advert lookalike .. Muffin me.  | |||
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"Just my opinion….Farage is odious I couldn’t vote for ANY party he was in I feel the same. Just don't like or trust the man. I find him false, devious and definitely dodgy. The Nationwide advert lookalike .. Muffin me. "You've got it in one. Always think of Farage when I see that advert | |||
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" broken promises? ...... Discontent up - then stop reading the "let's throw s£it" daily hiel/telegraph/express and times? Look where money is going and look at who benefits. Starmer is a centre right establishment stooge. But he's not a carpetbagging crook of the type that others recommend. Well someone fell for the Labour bullshit spin Lol Just to highlight your first point to show you talk bollocks. 2030 was only mentioned after the GE. Promise was before. Oh and by the way, that is after the next GE so it would hardly be valid would it? As I said, you fell for it and for the latest bollocks. " Show me where he made the comment of £300 reduction within the context of any time span , other than 2030? And given IPC and similar reports suggest green cost savings only begin to start really kicking in from about 2030 onwards anyone with any awareness of what green transition might entail would well understand that benefits of going green in energy will not be realised in any one election cycle, (the exception to that being if they restructure pricing mechanisms. ) | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. So speaks yet another Sun reader@" You dont need to be a Sun reader to identify a complete shambles. Maybe just need to bury head in sand so as not to see it!! | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. So speaks yet another Sun reader@ You dont need to be a Sun reader to identify a complete shambles. Maybe just need to bury head in sand so as not to see it!!" You do to think that farage is the answer to any problem though. | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. So speaks yet another Sun reader@ You dont need to be a Sun reader to identify a complete shambles. Maybe just need to bury head in sand so as not to see it!! You do to think that farage is the answer to any problem though." Do you think the current lot have made good on any of their promise's? From an economic point they have created more problems. Sounds like even as a lefty your reasoning is running very thin and so it should be. | |||
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"I'm beginning to think that any party would be better than the complete shambles inflicted on us right now. So speaks yet another Sun reader@ You dont need to be a Sun reader to identify a complete shambles. Maybe just need to bury head in sand so as not to see it!! You do to think that farage is the answer to any problem though. Do you think the current lot have made good on any of their promise's? From an economic point they have created more problems. Sounds like even as a lefty your reasoning is running very thin and so it should be." Everything they promised or said they would do they haven't. They have continually lied to the public. | |||
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"Reform all the way Nigel Farage can see a better UK and I believe him. he will do a lot better than what we currently have. now I sit back and wait for the hysterical bitchy comments" What will be better about it? | |||
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"Reform all the way Nigel Farage can see a better UK and I believe him. he will do a lot better than what we currently have. now I sit back and wait for the hysterical bitchy comments" A lot of people/parties could no doubt do better than the current shambles posing as a government, but I have serious doubts about the saintly Mr Farage. Don't do hysterical and rarely do bitchy, but what is so wonderful about him? Says the sort of thing people want to hear irrespective of whether it could be achieved. He has this carefully stage-managed 'man of the people' persona but I've always felt it was rather false. He had one of the worse track records as a Euro MEP. Rarely turning up other than to make some cringeworthy, jingo-istic speeches. Couldn't be bothered to vote on issues concerning the UK. His record is not much better in Westminster. Very good at talking the talk but can he walk the walk? I rather doubt it. | |||
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"Reform all the way Nigel Farage can see a better UK and I believe him. he will do a lot better than what we currently have. now I sit back and wait for the hysterical bitchy comments" 👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"Reform all the way Nigel Farage can see a better UK and I believe him. he will do a lot better than what we currently have. now I sit back and wait for the hysterical bitchy comments A lot of people/parties could no doubt do better than the current shambles posing as a government, but I have serious doubts about the saintly Mr Farage. Don't do hysterical and rarely do bitchy, but what is so wonderful about him? Says the sort of thing people want to hear irrespective of whether it could be achieved. He has this carefully stage-managed 'man of the people' persona but I've always felt it was rather false. He had one of the worse track records as a Euro MEP. Rarely turning up other than to make some cringeworthy, jingo-istic speeches. Couldn't be bothered to vote on issues concerning the UK. His record is not much better in Westminster. Very good at talking the talk but can he walk the walk? I rather doubt it. " Absolutely spot on. Farage is a fraud and just very good at grabbing the spotlight. Thats his only talent | |||
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"Don't vote Reform. Farage is an insidious, wicked man. He presents as a "man of the people" this is all nonsense. He is out to feather his own nest. I wonder if the people of Clacton would vote for him again as he does not seem to spend much time there from what I have heard. The Orange Clown is in the UK at the moment. I bet he will be having chats with Farage to get American pharmaceutical companies into the UK. Farage plans to break up the NHS and his relationship with the Orange Clown means this will probably happen. Woe betide anyone with preexisting health conditions as you won't get health insurance. If you want that for you and your family then go ahead. But if you have a bit of sense then reconsider... I'm not saying the other parties are doing a great job. I am disappointed in Starmer at the moment but 14 years of tory mismanagement can't be resolved easily." This | |||
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"Was thread started to divert attention away from the car crash which is the present Labour Government??" Not at all it was started to reflect the number of failing Conservative MPs and Councillors that have defected to Reform and are hoping to be reelected | |||
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"Its a matter of needs must at the moment , I will be voting for whoever promises to get rid of the illegals and make the country less appealing to foreigners (take away any benefits, pension etc like every other country). I am not sure if Reform are the right peoppe for this and think they are part of the machine that is screwing us over. We need a further right leaning party." So you mean complete fascists then. Got it. | |||
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"Was thread started to divert attention away from the car crash which is the present Labour Government??" Take a day off | |||
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"Its a matter of needs must at the moment , I will be voting for whoever promises to get rid of the illegals and make the country less appealing to foreigners (take away any benefits, pension etc like every other country). I am not sure if Reform are the right peoppe for this and think they are part of the machine that is screwing us over. We need a further right leaning party. So you mean complete fascists then. Got it. " Absolutely incredible from someone who was a vocal supporter of Corbyn a year ago (unless I've confused him with someone else, but I don't think I have). Well and truly jumped to the other side of the horseshoe. | |||
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"Was thread started to divert attention away from the car crash which is the present Labour Government?? Take a day off" Lol... you wish. Labour are failing... and the worst of it is those who can least afford it will pay the price. Reform may well form the next Government, not because they have a full menu of policies, but because the electorate have had enough of the two main parties. | |||
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"Its a matter of needs must at the moment , I will be voting for whoever promises to get rid of the illegals and make the country less appealing to foreigners (take away any benefits, pension etc like every other country). I am not sure if Reform are the right peoppe for this and think they are part of the machine that is screwing us over. We need a further right leaning party. So you mean complete fascists then. Got it. " Call it what you want but if it means my taxes going on Britain and the British and not being wasted then sign me up. By the way facism is just a word used by governments against anything that goes against the grain. | |||
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"Was thread started to divert attention away from the car crash which is the present Labour Government?? Take a day off Lol... you wish. Labour are failing... and the worst of it is those who can least afford it will pay the price. Reform may well form the next Government, not because they have a full menu of policies, but because the electorate have had enough of the two main parties." Failing? Immigration has halved NHS waiting lists are down Housebuilding is (slowly) picking up Inflation is 1/3 what it was in 2022 | |||
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"Its a matter of needs must at the moment , I will be voting for whoever promises to get rid of the illegals and make the country less appealing to foreigners (take away any benefits, pension etc like every other country). I am not sure if Reform are the right peoppe for this and think they are part of the machine that is screwing us over. We need a further right leaning party. So you mean complete fascists then. Got it. Call it what you want but if it means my taxes going on Britain and the British and not being wasted then sign me up. By the way facism is just a word used by governments against anything that goes against the grain. " Correct... people dont always understand the words and phrases they hear in their bubbles.... | |||
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"If reform get in we will all go to hell in a hand cart or electric hand cart We are all fucked and not in a nice way " True, but Labour supporters need to look at their own party....they are the ones who are giving Reform the oxygen..Starmer need to get a grip. | |||
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"Like it or not, Reform are the favourites to win the next election. They will do it without even having to produce a manifesto if they don’t want to. The won’t have to come up with figures or facts to back their policies, or even only come up with policies they truly think they can carry out. The Conservative and Labour parties between them are doing all the electioneering that Reform need right now." Favourites at the moment but the next general election is 4 years away. They say that a week is a long time in politics:- in the last two weeks we've had the Rayner and Mandelson debacles which have dented the government. So 4 years is an eon. I keep reading, on social media, people calling for Starmer to resign but who would replace him? Cooper? Streeting? Certainly not Farage. Even if a general election as called now, the opinion polls suggest a hung parliament. | |||
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" Labour are failing... and the worst of it is those who can least afford it will pay the price. Failing? Immigration has halved NHS waiting lists are down Housebuilding is (slowly) picking up Inflation is 1/3 what it was in 2022" Immigration e.g. boat people, are at an all time high since Labour came to power. NHS waiting lists are down in some areas but up in others. House building is at an all time low Inflation is higher than it was in the first half of 2024. | |||
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" Labour are failing... and the worst of it is those who can least afford it will pay the price. Failing? Immigration has halved NHS waiting lists are down Housebuilding is (slowly) picking up Inflation is 1/3 what it was in 2022 Immigration e.g. boat people, are at an all time high since Labour came to power. NHS waiting lists are down in some areas but up in others. House building is at an all time low Inflation is higher than it was in the first half of 2024." In the year ending September 2022, there were around 54,702 detected irregular arrivals to the UK. After that, numbers fell somewhat in 2023, then increased again but not above the 2022 peak. The sources are the independent newspaper and migration watch. What was your source? Housebuilding: Between 2000-2025, the fewest number of new houses completed in England in a year was in the year ending December 2010, with about 106,720 completions. The source is gov.uk so you’re mistaken. What’s your source? Inflation: true…sadly true. But, of course, the disingenuous elephant in the room is that it’s lower than the highest rate under the precious administration. That’s the fun of AI - it’s dead easy to fact check people. I don’t know why they don’t do it themselves. It might prevent accusations of ‘thick sod’. | |||
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"Rwanda - 0 France - 1 "Uk - 30,000 (or so) France - 1 Not quite such a close result ☹️😤 | |||
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"Be careful what you wish for. They are not lgb friendly. The party chairman is gay " Gain fear, Gel.  | |||
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