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By *ammy aka Sammy OP   TV/TS
4 weeks ago

Bedford

As a life long cross dresser,ive always thought why does it matter what clothes we wear. I dress in clothes designed for women purely because they never had dresses for men although that seems to be changing, slowly but none the less changing and now days you can buy makeup especially for men. But should it matter am I wrong to think it shouldn't?should there always be a his and hers way of dressing? I'm not talking about dressing for bedroom fun just normal every day dressing I've always well i think! dressed appropriately when I'm out and about, be it the pub or Tesco's i try not to stand out try to blend in ,toilets can be a problem but I tend to use the disabled ones when I can as not to cause offense. But will the day come when it just won't matter free to dress as you please wear what you want and just be yourself after all its just clothes and a fashion you like. X

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By *dstefiMan
4 weeks ago

Solihull

I'd absolutely love to wear skirts and blouses out, but sadly with the current transphobic climate it's not gonna happen.

I know plenty of other dressers say it's rarely an issue and just do it and own it, but the possibility of even a snarky comment, never mind outright aggression, makes it a non-starter for me. I dress at home though as my wife likes it, and for occasional meets of course.

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By *aremanMan
4 weeks ago

Wymondham

It only needs to become a trend. I'm guessing that if it was associated with a really crap musical genre like rap, it would work its way up the age ranges like shorts, baseball caps and hoodies did. Eventually old geezers like me would be openly wearing their finery for fear of not being trendy. Of course that would mean that 14-yo streetwise kids would be buying pinstripe suits in order to rebel, but what comes around...

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By *arridMan
4 weeks ago

Brighton

Cross dressing in Brighton doesn’t seem to be an issue. It’s not common, but certainly not unusual. It’s a very accommodating and open minded and welcoming city.

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

It is silly really that a man wears a skirt a few people would snigger and comment. Yet trousers which were predominantly a male item of clothing , a woman wears them no one says a thing.

As they say clothes maketh the man.

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By *starMan
4 weeks ago

Frampton on Severn

I've never been bothered with fashion, just worm the same old jeans, t-shirt, sweatshirt for convenience. There just don't seem to be interesting or varied clothes for men so I can't be bothered.

I've dabbled in women's clothes now and the endless variety is fascinating, and I can, with a few garments, make myself pleased with my own appearance.

Take for example the last night of the proms, if you watched. Endless variety of colours, fabrics, necklines, sleeves, ornaments etc. For the women. For the men? Charcoal grey suits, bow tie. For all of them, every single one.

I'll bet those boring suits cost hundreds, too.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester

Men do wear long frocks, all the time.

Priests for example.

Then there's all the Muslim men, not only here but you see them out in places like Abu Dhabi.

It might not be called a dress but it's shaped like a dress.

I'm all for a bit of freedom wear.

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By *ucker4you80Man
4 weeks ago

Calne

What about genuine women who enjoy wearing women's clothes, how are they going to feel when they've had their clothes appropriated by men?

It sounds a bit daft, but it's a small extension of giving women's rights to men who say they're women, it's taking away women's rights from women.

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By *issy crystalTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Hook

When a man wears a kilt with knee length socks, perfectly acceptable. But go to Waitrose in a tartan mini and black stockings, boy do they give you funny looks. Go figure.

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By *starMan
4 weeks ago

Frampton on Severn


"What about genuine women who enjoy wearing women's clothes, how are they going to feel when they've had their clothes appropriated by men?

It sounds a bit daft, but it's a small extension of giving women's rights to men who say they're women, it's taking away women's rights from women. "

They seem to be quite happy to appropriate men's clothes.....

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By *dstefiMan
4 weeks ago

Solihull


"When a man wears a kilt with knee length socks, perfectly acceptable. But go to Waitrose in a tartan mini and black stockings, boy do they give you funny looks. Go figure."

Everybody knows the only suitable attire for Waitrose is a t two-piece and green wellies, dummy.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"What about genuine women who enjoy wearing women's clothes, how are they going to feel when they've had their clothes appropriated by men?

It sounds a bit daft, but it's a small extension of giving women's rights to men who say they're women, it's taking away women's rights from women. "

You could turn that around and say the same when women started to wear mens clothes.

After a while men didn't seem to bother and women adapted the jeans style to meet the feminine frame.

So why wouldn't men adapt dresses to meet their needs?

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By *ucker4you80Man
4 weeks ago

Calne


"What about genuine women who enjoy wearing women's clothes, how are they going to feel when they've had their clothes appropriated by men?

It sounds a bit daft, but it's a small extension of giving women's rights to men who say they're women, it's taking away women's rights from women.

You could turn that around and say the same when women started to wear mens clothes.

After a while men didn't seem to bother and women adapted the jeans style to meet the feminine frame.

So why wouldn't men adapt dresses to meet their needs?

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Pretty sure women of a certain time period had their fashion options dictated to them by men, not really the same situation now.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"What about genuine women who enjoy wearing women's clothes, how are they going to feel when they've had their clothes appropriated by men?

It sounds a bit daft, but it's a small extension of giving women's rights to men who say they're women, it's taking away women's rights from women.

You could turn that around and say the same when women started to wear mens clothes.

After a while men didn't seem to bother and women adapted the jeans style to meet the feminine frame.

So why wouldn't men adapt dresses to meet their needs?

Pretty sure women of a certain time period had their fashion options dictated to them by men, not really the same situation now. "

It still happens now in big chunks of the world.

Women have to cover up in many religious societies.

I prefer the opposite, where men and women can wear what they want.

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By *rancd2TV/TS
4 weeks ago

Wolverhampton

The thing is, on a roll of fabric it’s neither men’s nor women’s clothing. You could take a roll of plain fabric, and make it into a woman’s dress, a man’s pair of trousers, a woman’s top, a man’s jacket, or whatever. It’s the same material, just stitched different ways. So, to me, it seems that we should stop worrying about it quite so much.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"The thing is, on a roll of fabric it’s neither men’s nor women’s clothing. You could take a roll of plain fabric, and make it into a woman’s dress, a man’s pair of trousers, a woman’s top, a man’s jacket, or whatever. It’s the same material, just stitched different ways. So, to me, it seems that we should stop worrying about it quite so much."

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By *arridMan
4 weeks ago

Brighton


"When a man wears a kilt with knee length socks, perfectly acceptable. But go to Waitrose in a tartan mini and black stockings, boy do they give you funny looks. Go figure."
oooh! Try the Hove waitrose!

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By *ucker4you80Man
4 weeks ago

Calne


"The thing is, on a roll of fabric it’s neither men’s nor women’s clothing. You could take a roll of plain fabric, and make it into a woman’s dress, a man’s pair of trousers, a woman’s top, a man’s jacket, or whatever. It’s the same material, just stitched different ways. So, to me, it seems that we should stop worrying about it quite so much."

But you've just labelled a bunch of clothing by gender, and that's fine, because men and women like to distinguish themselves, men's and women's clothes, it works. How long will it be before men who like to dress as women demand that the 'women's' clothes can't be labelled as such because it's discrimination?

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By *ammy aka Sammy OP   TV/TS
4 weeks ago

Bedford


"The thing is, on a roll of fabric it’s neither men’s nor women’s clothing. You could take a roll of plain fabric, and make it into a woman’s dress, a man’s pair of trousers, a woman’s top, a man’s jacket, or whatever. It’s the same material, just stitched different ways. So, to me, it seems that we should stop worrying about it quite so much.

But you've just labelled a bunch of clothing by gender, and that's fine, because men and women like to distinguish themselves, men's and women's clothes, it works. How long will it be before men who like to dress as women demand that the 'women's' clothes can't be labelled as such because it's discrimination? "
but that's the point there should be clothes to suit men and women dresses in the style and size of men's bodies and men's clothes in the style of women's the later already exists in abundance woman wear suits trousers etc adjusted in style to suit their shape there's no discrimination from men so why shouldn't it be the same for men?x

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By *ondon RimmerMan
4 weeks ago

Islington

Unless you actually want to look female, wear a sarong. Worn by men all over asia.

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By *ucker4you80Man
4 weeks ago

Calne


"The thing is, on a roll of fabric it’s neither men’s nor women’s clothing. You could take a roll of plain fabric, and make it into a woman’s dress, a man’s pair of trousers, a woman’s top, a man’s jacket, or whatever. It’s the same material, just stitched different ways. So, to me, it seems that we should stop worrying about it quite so much.

But you've just labelled a bunch of clothing by gender, and that's fine, because men and women like to distinguish themselves, men's and women's clothes, it works. How long will it be before men who like to dress as women demand that the 'women's' clothes can't be labelled as such because it's discrimination? but that's the point there should be clothes to suit men and women dresses in the style and size of men's bodies and men's clothes in the style of women's the later already exists in abundance woman wear suits trousers etc adjusted in style to suit their shape there's no discrimination from men so why shouldn't it be the same for men?x"

Men can't just appropriate women's clothes, if that happened, they would no longer be women's clothes. I'm sure a lot of women would be furious that a female identifier was being taken away from them, by men!

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By *starMan
4 weeks ago

Frampton on Severn

We're not talking about appropriation. The fact is, in our culture women can wear pretty much anything they want (and that's good!) but men's choices are constrained be social norms.

That can change by pushing the boundaries, remember the androgynous styles of the 70s?

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By *ighway expressMan
4 weeks ago

Campbeltown


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That can change by pushing the boundaries, remember the androgynous styles of the 70s?"

And what happened to that ? Didn't it die out? We gender bendered in the 80's. Result? It died out . Men have been choosing for decades . If you want to wear female attire, fine, knock yourself out. But the majority of men I suspect are perfectly happy where they currently are ....

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By *ucker4you80Man
4 weeks ago

Calne


"We're not talking about appropriation. The fact is, in our culture women can wear pretty much anything they want (and that's good!) but men's choices are constrained be social norms.

That can change by pushing the boundaries, remember the androgynous styles of the 70s?"

Social norms constrain choices for everyone, men and women alike, and that's good too. I think the bigger picture here is the motives behind men dressing up as women.

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By *starMan
4 weeks ago

Frampton on Severn


"We're not talking about appropriation. The fact is, in our culture women can wear pretty much anything they want (and that's good!) but men's choices are constrained be social norms.

That can change by pushing the boundaries, remember the androgynous styles of the 70s?

Social norms constrain choices for everyone, men and women alike, and that's good too. I think the bigger picture here is the motives behind men dressing up as women. "

Yes, you have me there. This is a sex site, and I dress for sexual attraction, not to go out and pretend to be a woman.

Just wish men's clothes weren't so dull!

Interesting debate.

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By *ildwestheroMan
4 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

Only looked at this thread because of its ambiguous title.

Wear what you want. Be prepared to be sniggered at and called a tranny, weirdo and a lot worse because it will happen.

Also don't try and make it the norm or compulsory. I'm more than happy to wear normal male clothing.

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