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"He's about to announce that Palestine will be recognised as a state. The first step to a two-state solution or does it reward terrorism?" He announced previously that he would be prepared to recognise Palestine, but only if the Israelis did not bring themselves into line and if they were to do that, the clear implication was that he then wouldn’t recognise Palestine. So there is no honour or principle in this action at all. Well, Israel haven’t brought themselves into line [spoiler: they were never going to] so now he’s impelled to act through what was stated. But there are no conditions or requirements being set [eg a precondition that all remaining Israeli hostages are released from Gaza] and so it just seems pathetically weak. | |||
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"Also Bibi doesn't give a flying fuck what anybody else in the world thinks. He plays the card (correctly as it happens) that this is absolutely existential for Israel and its neighbours would happily see it wiped off the map were it less militarily capable and dangerous. 1967 and 1973 proved that. As political problems go, it's an utterly intractable one, and one that no amount of hand-wringing from the sidelines is going to solve. " | |||
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"Also Bibi doesn't give a flying fuck what anybody else in the world thinks. He plays the card (correctly as it happens) that this is absolutely existential for Israel and its neighbours would happily see it wiped off the map were it less militarily capable and dangerous. 1967 and 1973 proved that. As political problems go, it's an utterly intractable one, and one that no amount of hand-wringing from the sidelines is going to solve. " Well said none of this would have happened if Hamas had not carried out the atrocities on those kids at the music festival on Oct 7 . If you poke the bear expect to get bitten,and as for starmer think he should concentrate on his own country and the mess he’s made , _nd while he’s at it see if he can find a spine …. | |||
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"The big problem in recognising a Palestinian state is can they do it in such a way that they don’t have to recognise Hamas (a terrorist organisation) as the legitimate government of Palestine." Exactly. And this was the argument the Govt was using through the last 2 years in defence of the many criticising them over Gaza and the war. One might not agree with this position but it is entirely rational. Then because Starmer was under all sorts of pressure and his own position so weak, he announced this silly “well if Israel don’t play ball, we’ll recognise Palestine anyway” stunt. And here we are, about to recognise Palestine when there isn’t any real prospect of the control not being Hamas or Hamas influenced. So he’s tied himself into knots. | |||
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"He's about to announce that Palestine will be recognised as a state. The first step to a two-state solution or does it reward terrorism?" Rewards terrorism _nd will achieve nothing. Starmer is a rabbit in the headlights | |||
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"The big problem in recognising a Palestinian state is can they do it in such a way that they don’t have to recognise Hamas (a terrorist organisation) as the legitimate government of Palestine. Exactly. And this was the argument the Govt was using through the last 2 years in defence of the many criticising them over Gaza and the war. One might not agree with this position but it is entirely rational. Then because Starmer was under all sorts of pressure and his own position so weak, he announced this silly “well if Israel don’t play ball, we’ll recognise Palestine anyway” stunt. And here we are, about to recognise Palestine when there isn’t any real prospect of the control not being Hamas or Hamas influenced. So he’s tied himself into knots. " Again, I can understand the logic behind the move, if the Israeli government didn’t want other countries to recognise Palestine as a state then all they had to do was stop their current action of reducing Gaza to rubble and killing 1000’s of civilians, not to mention starving people to death be preventing food aid getting in. They could have taken a less aggressive route to getting to the remaining Hamas people who are probably in bunkers and tunnels under the rubble. But the Israeli government are (as far as I can see) acting in a way that is just as bad as Hamas - they are just two cheeks of the same arse, and it is ordinary people on both sides who end up suffering. | |||
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"He's about to announce that Palestine will be recognised as a state. The first step to a two-state solution or does it reward terrorism?" It rewards terrorism. I believe Israel has gone way too far since the Hamas attacks two years ago, but also pretty sure that Hamas knew what Israeli revenge would look like. They planned it all out and used involuntary martyrdom of their own people to achieve it. | |||
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"He's about to announce that Palestine will be recognised as a state. The first step to a two-state solution or does it reward terrorism? It rewards terrorism. I believe Israel has gone way too far since the Hamas attacks two years ago, but also pretty sure that Hamas knew what Israeli revenge would look like. They planned it all out and used involuntary martyrdom of their own people to achieve it." Spot on | |||
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"Also Bibi doesn't give a flying fuck what anybody else in the world thinks. He plays the card (correctly as it happens) that this is absolutely existential for Israel and its neighbours would happily see it wiped off the map were it less militarily capable and dangerous. 1967 and 1973 proved that. As political problems go, it's an utterly intractable one, and one that no amount of hand-wringing from the sidelines is going to solve. Well said none of this would have happened if Hamas had not carried out the atrocities on those kids at the music festival on Oct 7 . If you poke the bear expect to get bitten,and as for starmer think he should concentrate on his own country and the mess he’s made , _nd while he’s at it see if he can find a spine …." couldn't agree more well said | |||
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"couldn't agree more well said" Which bit are you agreeing with? You just lazily hit reply+quote to a whole bunch of unconnected posts. | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. "  | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. " So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. | |||
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"As long as it doesn't mean we have to take any of them in here i dont care what its called, call it Zanusi if you want." 👍 Same here .. lets sort out our country first ffs ! | |||
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"Not quite true - Bibi is only interested in what Trump thinks! As you say no one else matters. " As long as Trump keeps supplying F35s and bombs and a riviera plan and ignoring West Bank settlers he is. Can't help thinking Palestine is screwed with or without Hamas; they just spoonfed Netanyahu and the hard right Zionists the perfect opportunity and moral justification (to themselves anyway) to carry out a plan that was there all along. | |||
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"Palestinians called it their homeland for hundreds of years before Israel got parachuted in in 1947. The Hamas attacks were utterly vile and depraved but the response has qualified as terrorism in at least equal part, and far greater in scale. Just because the weapons are shinier and more expensive and US-backed isn't a justification. " | |||
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"The big problem in recognising a Palestinian state is can they do it in such a way that they don’t have to recognise Hamas (a terrorist organisation) as the legitimate government of Palestine." Isn't hamas a designated terrorist group according to the UK government?? They would have to basically omit any mention of hamas. | |||
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"The big problem in recognising a Palestinian state is can they do it in such a way that they don’t have to recognise Hamas (a terrorist organisation) as the legitimate government of Palestine. Isn't hamas a designated terrorist group according to the UK government?? They would have to basically omit any mention of hamas." Starmer's just made his announcement. He stressed Hamas' terrorist aspect, first off, and then went on to a slightly muted criticism of the horrors the IDF are inflicting. But we now support a two-state solution...as we have always done, in theory. | |||
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"The big problem in recognising a Palestinian state is can they do it in such a way that they don’t have to recognise Hamas (a terrorist organisation) as the legitimate government of Palestine. Isn't hamas a designated terrorist group according to the UK government?? They would have to basically omit any mention of hamas. Starmer's just made his announcement. He stressed Hamas' terrorist aspect, first off, and then went on to a slightly muted criticism of the horrors the IDF are inflicting. But we now support a two-state solution...as we have always done, in theory." Ok but realistically it's not going to change anything as only the US seems to have any hold over Israel and Iran over hamas. They are going to keep deleting eachother regardless of anything we say... | |||
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"He's about to announce that Palestine will be recognised as a state. The first step to a two-state solution or does it reward terrorism?" It depends on your point of view. It either rewards terrorism, or creates a responsibility to behave like a ‘normal’ country. | |||
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"Make no mistake, Starmer is acting under pressure from his Left wing. Many people will be celebrating this evening but non so enthusiastically as the perpetrators of the October 7th attack. They will see this as the fruits of their actions. And, in many ways it is. " Most of them are dead, aren't they? | |||
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"Make no mistake, Starmer is acting under pressure from his Left wing. Many people will be celebrating this evening but non so enthusiastically as the perpetrators of the October 7th attack. They will see this as the fruits of their actions. And, in many ways it is. Most of them are dead, aren't they?" And all of them will be dead very soon based on this policy. | |||
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"Id rather he did what the morons elected him for, and helped our country out, before declaring about other countries. This country is in a crisis and Starmer wants to prioritise everyone except British citizens. " How long do you think it's taking to recognise Palestine? A bit of paperwork and a quick letter dropped to the UN. What do you want him to do instead of this quick bit of admin because you're being awfully vague. | |||
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"Did the Good Friday Agreement reward terrorism? After all, murderers of young English soldiers were released from prison. Some even became part of the government. At least though most violence has ceased. Recognising Palestine probably won't make a difference." It will make zero difference to any long-term political settlement. To recognise a state you have to be able to acknowledge officially where you believe the state starts and ends. To recognise a state you have to be able to acknowledge officially whom you believe serves as the head of state or official government. Houston… we have a problem… | |||
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"Make no mistake, Starmer is acting under pressure from his Left wing. Many people will be celebrating this evening but non so enthusiastically as the perpetrators of the October 7th attack. They will see this as the fruits of their actions. And, in many ways it is. Most of them are dead, aren't they?" And who would want promotion in that job | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. " How wonderful and spot on more like. Starmer is spineless. Has done NOTHING for the people of this country. | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. " How wonderful and spot on more like. Starmer is spineless. Has done NOTHING for the people of this country. | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. How wonderful and spot on more like. Starmer is spineless. Has done NOTHING for the people of this country. " What has he failed to do that he could have done? | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. How wonderful and spot on more like. Starmer is spineless. Has done NOTHING for the people of this country. What has he failed to do that he could have done? " Stop the boats | |||
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"So why has not ONE middle eastern country helped Palestine?? " Qatar Iran + Significant rhetorical support from Turkey | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. How wonderful and spot on more like. Starmer is spineless. Has done NOTHING for the people of this country. What has he failed to do that he could have done? Stop the boats " He's the leader of a party that was staunchly against Brexit. "The boats" have made it impossible to return people to where they set off on those boats. He has bigger things to worry about given the huge problems we have with the funding of the UK given that "the boats" and refugees in general account for 0.22% of the treasury budget. Their predecessors did even less to stop "the boats" and yet they got a whole lot less scrutiny about it. Anything else? | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. How wonderful and spot on more like. Starmer is spineless. Has done NOTHING for the people of this country. " Well, he has, but the people you follow won't tell you that. What did the last government do for you? | |||
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"Starmer has just rewarded terrorism, I'm absolutely disgusted in him and they way his government has reduced this country to the laughing stock of the world in just over a year 💩💩💩🤬 🤬 🤬 " | |||
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"So, Labour recognise Palestine as a State. Who's their Government? Hamas? Btitain won't negotiate with Terrorists. That's been the way of every British Government. So who do Labour negotiate with?" Exactly | |||
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"So, Labour recognise Palestine as a State. Who's their Government? Hamas? Btitain won't negotiate with Terrorists. That's been the way of every British Government. So who do Labour negotiate with?" Well, Britain does negotiate with terrorist really doesn't it. How did we get peace in northern Ireland if we didn't? | |||
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"So why has not ONE middle eastern country helped Palestine?? Qatar Iran + Significant rhetorical support from Turkey " Qatar. Qatar is very keen on hosting Hamas. More specifically Hamas’ money and how much of it could end up in Qatar especially if Gazan Hamas is routed. Qatar is very keen on money full stop. Iran. I wonder what it is about the tyrannical theocracy of Iranian Hezbollah which puts them on common ground with Hamas in Palestine…? 🧐 Significant rhetorical support from Turkey. I’m sure significant rhetorical support is a great solace when you’ve starving in Gaza. Most of the Arab states formally support the so-called Arab Peace Initiative of a two-state solution, but are at the same time adamantly against allowing any Palestinians from Gaza to escape into their own countries because of major security concerns about terrorism and fears about the economic and political repercussions… Funny that. You should see how intractable Jordan is about this. | |||
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"So, Labour recognise Palestine as a State. Who's their Government? Hamas? Btitain won't negotiate with Terrorists. That's been the way of every British Government. So who do Labour negotiate with? Well, Britain does negotiate with terrorist really doesn't it. How did we get peace in northern Ireland if we didn't? " They didn't directly negotiate with the Provisional IRA. Britain, the USA and the Political Parties in Northern Ireland negotiated the Peace Terms. And through that the IRA got a lot of concessions. And all the casualties of that conflict, did they applaud that? | |||
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"Starmer has just rewarded terrorism, I'm absolutely disgusted in him and they way his government has reduced this country to the laughing stock of the world in just over a year 💩💩💩🤬 🤬 🤬 " How? What has it done different to the last government? | |||
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"Starmer has just rewarded terrorism, I'm absolutely disgusted in him and they way his government has reduced this country to the laughing stock of the world in just over a year 💩💩💩🤬 🤬 🤬 " Aye, because no one was laughing at our government under the tory clowns | |||
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"So why has not ONE middle eastern country helped Palestine?? Qatar Iran + Significant rhetorical support from Turkey " They wont even take in reffugees . This will never be sorted till one side wins ,palistine want all of it and isreal do also . Both sides have gone to far ,innicents get killed as in every war . | |||
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"Starmer should hang his head in shame, spineless git" Why? He's done what 150 other countries have done. Are they all spineless too? Recognising Palestine as a state is meant to stop Israel claiming all of the l_nd which they believe they have a right too. A 2 state solution can only happen if you have 2 states. | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. " The left leaning members on this site are the most deluded people I have ever seen. | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. " Agreed | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. The left leaning members on this site are the most deluded people I have ever seen. " Absolutely! | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. " Its not backing hamas though. Its an attempt to stop a genocide. | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. Its not backing hamas though. Its an attempt to stop a genocide. " Israel won't stop till Hamas is destroyed. | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. Its not backing hamas though. Its an attempt to stop a genocide. Israel won't stop till Hamas is destroyed. " No matter who gets in the way. | |||
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"He's about to announce that Palestine will be recognised as a state. The first step to a two-state solution or does it reward terrorism?" Some will see it as rewarding Hamas for terrorism (or at least a consolation prize) Others might categorize it as symbolic punishment against Israel for genocidal crimes against Gazans. Then again, It could be taken as a mercenary ploy to maintain/win-back favor/future votes with muslims and the wider 'from the river to the sea ...' brigade. Either way ... the Two-State Solution has never been further from being realised in anything other than empty hopes and hollow words. | |||
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"Every person in this thread would be killed by Hamas. Its not backing hamas though. Its an attempt to stop a genocide. Israel won't stop till Hamas is destroyed. " They are the good guys in all this but demonised by the leftie newspapers | |||
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"How can they discuss a two stature solution without involving Hamas a terrorist organisation, who do not want one. Hamas only want the destruction of Israel and that will never be allowed to happen." I'm guessing that you brush off reports of worse atrocities committed by Israelis as mere propaganda? Why should Hamas accept a deal that would see the Palestinians with only 21% of the land? At the fall of the Ottoman Empire Jews numbered less than 1%. Only a deal which sees the land split equally in half would seem fair and appropriate, anything less is an insult. | |||
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"How can they discuss a two stature solution without involving Hamas a terrorist organisation, who do not want one. Hamas only want the destruction of Israel and that will never be allowed to happen. I'm guessing that you brush off reports of worse atrocities committed by Israelis as mere propaganda? Why should Hamas accept a deal that would see the Palestinians with only 21% of the land? At the fall of the Ottoman Empire Jews numbered less than 1%. Only a deal which sees the land split equally in half would seem fair and appropriate, anything less is an insult." Hamas will not get a deal! They’ll be wiped out. Most of the hostages are now dead anyway. Arab neighbours stand aside and say nothing, they see Palestinians as gypsies _nd want them gone. You suggest land split equally it’s not what the lunatics of Hamas want, they want the complete destruction of Israel? Now that would be a genocide. The atrocity of Oct 7 caused the Israelis to defend themselves the so called Palestinians cheered them on. Palestine is Hamas there are no obvious differences and, with luck will soon be eradicated. Perhaps, you might like to try to negotiate with them? No I thought not | |||
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"It's nice to see some people talking sense here now. The left are the ones shouting loudest and for such a long time normal people have said "The looney left. Let them carry on" We have all seen how that panned out. The shooting of Charlie Kirk. Calling people Nazis, racists and fascists. Supporting Hamas, an internationally recognised terrorist organisation group. The left are no longer just looney, they are hateful, vengeful and very dangerous. Starmer will go down as the worst PM Britain has ever had. He has done so much damage to Britain in just over a year. If he isn't removed quickly, he will fundamentally change the face of Britain and there will be no turning back." Agreed | |||
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"It's nice to see some people talking sense here now. The left are the ones shouting loudest and for such a long time normal people have said "The looney left. Let them carry on" We have all seen how that panned out. The shooting of Charlie Kirk. Calling people Nazis, racists and fascists. Supporting Hamas, an internationally recognised terrorist organisation group. The left are no longer just looney, they are hateful, vengeful and very dangerous. Starmer will go down as the worst PM Britain has ever had. He has done so much damage to Britain in just over a year. If he isn't removed quickly, he will fundamentally change the face of Britain and there will be no turning back. Agreed" Can he be toppled from within? | |||
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"It's nice to see some people talking sense here now. The left are the ones shouting loudest and for such a long time normal people have said "The looney left. Let them carry on" We have all seen how that panned out. The shooting of Charlie Kirk. Calling people Nazis, racists and fascists. Supporting Hamas, an internationally recognised terrorist organisation group. The left are no longer just looney, they are hateful, vengeful and very dangerous. Starmer will go down as the worst PM Britain has ever had. He has done so much damage to Britain in just over a year. If he isn't removed quickly, he will fundamentally change the face of Britain and there will be no turning back. Agreed" Very true, and now we can clearly see what Starmer meant by 'change'! | |||
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"It's nice to see some people talking sense here now. The left are the ones shouting loudest and for such a long time normal people have said "The looney left. Let them carry on" We have all seen how that panned out. The shooting of Charlie Kirk. Calling people Nazis, racists and fascists. Supporting Hamas, an internationally recognised terrorist organisation group. The left are no longer just looney, they are hateful, vengeful and very dangerous. Starmer will go down as the worst PM Britain has ever had. He has done so much damage to Britain in just over a year. If he isn't removed quickly, he will fundamentally change the face of Britain and there will be no turning back. Agreed Can he be toppled from within?" Several conservative leaders were so I imagine it’ll be possible with labour. | |||
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"Well for all the deniers ...when they attack isreal yet again as is their mandate and thus proving its about the eradication of the jews will leftists finally wake up ? There are 22 arab states huge states infact and isreal aren't allowed a state the size of Wales in which a jewish presents has been established since biblical times. Palestine was only ever name that as an insult to the Jewish people. Isn't that a clue.just my opinion in my little echo chamber...." It's hard to go along with the eternal victim narrative when they are in such a position of power, and using that power to aggressively persecute a much weaker enemy. Saying that, I do not doubt that if the boot were on the other foot, their Islamic neighbours would drive every Jew out of the Middle East and back to Europe/The West, where almost all of them originated until very recently. But the boot is very firmly on the Israeli-Jewish foot ... and they are kicking the shit out of anyone who poses an actual or theoretical threat to their self-interests. | |||
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"Well for all the deniers ...when they attack isreal yet again as is their mandate and thus proving its about the eradication of the jews will leftists finally wake up ? There are 22 arab states huge states infact and isreal aren't allowed a state the size of Wales in which a jewish presents has been established since biblical times. Palestine was only ever name that as an insult to the Jewish people. Isn't that a clue.just my opinion in my little echo chamber.... It's hard to go along with the eternal victim narrative when they are in such a position of power, and using that power to aggressively persecute a much weaker enemy. Saying that, I do not doubt that if the boot were on the other foot, their Islamic neighbours would drive every Jew out of the Middle East and back to Europe/The West, where almost all of them originated until very recently. But the boot is very firmly on the Israeli-Jewish foot ... and they are kicking the shit out of anyone who poses an actual or theoretical threat to their self-interests. " I think you'll find that the Jew originated in the land of Israel _nd were driven out into the Diaspora hundreds of years ago. The Jews of Europe you are talking about RETURNED to the land of their ancestors... Israel. | |||
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"Well for all the deniers ...when they attack isreal yet again as is their mandate and thus proving its about the eradication of the jews will leftists finally wake up ? There are 22 arab states huge states infact and isreal aren't allowed a state the size of Wales in which a jewish presents has been established since biblical times. Palestine was only ever name that as an insult to the Jewish people. Isn't that a clue.just my opinion in my little echo chamber.... It's hard to go along with the eternal victim narrative when they are in such a position of power, and using that power to aggressively persecute a much weaker enemy. Saying that, I do not doubt that if the boot were on the other foot, their Islamic neighbours would drive every Jew out of the Middle East and back to Europe/The West, where almost all of them originated until very recently. But the boot is very firmly on the Israeli-Jewish foot ... and they are kicking the shit out of anyone who poses an actual or theoretical threat to their self-interests. I think you'll find that the Jew originated in the land of Israel _nd were driven out into the Diaspora hundreds of years ago. The Jews of Europe you are talking about RETURNED to the land of their ancestors... Israel. " That's the story we are told to believe ... Not everyone does. | |||
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"It's what you want to believe. Fact and not a story. Jews were first driven into the diaspora in the 6th century BCE with the Babylonian Exile in 587/586 BCE, but the larger and most historically significant dispersal was after the Roman Empire destroyed the Second Temple in 70 CE. The term diaspora refers to the dispersion of Jews from their homeland and is associated with these two major events in antiquity, though various smaller exiles _nd waves of persecution continued throughout history, contributing to the ongoing spread of Jewish communities globally. The First Jewish Diaspora (Babylonian Exile) When: The Babylonian exile occurred in two stages: in 597 BCE, when the Neo-Babylonian Empire conquered the Kingdom of Judah, and then again in 586 BCE, after the destruction of Jerusalem and the First Temple. Why: This was a result of the Babylonian Empire's conquest of the Kingdom of Judah. What happened: The Neo-Babylonian Empire deported and exiled a significant part of the Judean population to Babylon. This event marked the beginning of the Jewish diaspora. The Second Jewish Diaspora (Roman Exile) When: The larger and more significant diaspora occurred in 70 CE. Why: This was a consequence of the Roman Empire's suppression of the First Jewish–Roman War, leading to the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem. What happened: The Roman Empire drove many Jews from their homeland. This event led to the dispersal of Jews across the Middle East and eventually the world, laying the groundwork for future Jewish settlements in Europe and beyond. " A bit like the old gag about the bloke who had had the same broom for 50 years then, Only had 5 replacement brush-heads & 4 different broom-handles. | |||
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"Simple question. There is no Hamas in West Bank, why the continuous killing of innocent Palestinians there ? " You don't get it. Hamas is integrated in the West Bank alongside other jihadists | |||
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"All to get Muslim vote here because no Christian will . Starmer despises British people and think he well above working classes , who thought labour represented . If the trade Union back pro Hamas lefty & Gaza terrorist groups . And they are Starmer paymasters he going do what they want . He no more then a twat . Weak as piss that’s why he has so many women on front bench . Can’t be because he choose them for abilities or brains. And that goes for that numbskull Lammy as well . The Durr !!! Man God help us another 3 years this lies deceit corruption. So, sexist and racist in 1 message. How wonderful. " Ohh speak out against the current government and out comes the racist card. Get out of your hole face reality | |||
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"Well for all the deniers ...when they attack isreal yet again as is their mandate and thus proving its about the eradication of the jews will leftists finally wake up ? There are 22 arab states huge states infact and isreal aren't allowed a state the size of Wales in which a jewish presents has been established since biblical times. Palestine was only ever name that as an insult to the Jewish people. Isn't that a clue.just my opinion in my little echo chamber.... It's hard to go along with the eternal victim narrative when they are in such a position of power, and using that power to aggressively persecute a much weaker enemy. Saying that, I do not doubt that if the boot were on the other foot, their Islamic neighbours would drive every Jew out of the Middle East and back to Europe/The West, where almost all of them originated until very recently. But the boot is very firmly on the Israeli-Jewish foot ... and they are kicking the shit out of anyone who poses an actual or theoretical threat to their self-interests. I think you'll find that the Jew originated in the land of Israel _nd were driven out into the Diaspora hundreds of years ago. The Jews of Europe you are talking about RETURNED to the land of their ancestors... Israel. " there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Judah/Israel since the emergence of the Israelites from the Canaanite population in the Iron Age, though the term "Jew" specifically referred to inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah. Despite periods of diaspora and exile, a persistent Jewish community remained in the land, particularly in the Four Holy Cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed, and Tiberias. This backed by historical records and archaeological finds. | |||
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"The Italian Trade Unions organised a demonstration which turned nasty. Are the left infiltrating these unions _nd why us an Italian union not campaigning for Italian workers and not lost causes overseas" Non tutte le ciambelle escono col buco. | |||
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"Well for all the deniers ...when they attack isreal yet again as is their mandate and thus proving its about the eradication of the jews will leftists finally wake up ? There are 22 arab states huge states infact and isreal aren't allowed a state the size of Wales in which a jewish presents has been established since biblical times. Palestine was only ever name that as an insult to the Jewish people. Isn't that a clue.just my opinion in my little echo chamber.... It's hard to go along with the eternal victim narrative when they are in such a position of power, and using that power to aggressively persecute a much weaker enemy. Saying that, I do not doubt that if the boot were on the other foot, their Islamic neighbours would drive every Jew out of the Middle East and back to Europe/The West, where almost all of them originated until very recently. But the boot is very firmly on the Israeli-Jewish foot ... and they are kicking the shit out of anyone who poses an actual or theoretical threat to their self-interests. I think you'll find that the Jew originated in the land of Israel _nd were driven out into the Diaspora hundreds of years ago. The Jews of Europe you are talking about RETURNED to the land of their ancestors... Israel. That's the story we are told to believe ... Not everyone does. " Sorry which part specifically? | |||
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"The whole of the Arab nations have been try to commit genocide against the Jews for decades if not centuries, payback time , none of the other Arab nations want anything to do with Hamas , palatine is hamas and hamas are Palestinians in my view , if I upset anyone tough " and don’t forget Emperor Palpatine! What a bastard!  | |||
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"The whole of the Arab nations have been try to commit genocide against the Jews for decades if not centuries, payback time , none of the other Arab nations want anything to do with Hamas , palatine is hamas and hamas are Palestinians in my view , if I upset anyone tough " My old English teacher would have made you write that out again. | |||
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