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"What about poor Fergie?" Her sassy rendition of the national anthem was quite something  | |||
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"Discuss " Ask me nicely and I'll have a think about it. | |||
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"What about poor Fergie? Her sassy rendition of the national anthem was quite something "Here's me thinking that was Nelly Furtado | |||
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"What about poor Fergie? Her sassy rendition of the national anthem was quite something
Here's me thinking that was Nelly Furtado"Hehe, you said "fur" | |||
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"What about poor Fergie?" the little grey fergies have been around for years and pretty much loved by tractor fans | |||
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"At least put your own point of view if you’re that interested." Exactly! What a condescending way in which to pose a question!! | |||
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"What’s he actually done wrong I’m not following the story " The story's been running for 15 years or so, major news. Do you really have no idea at all? | |||
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"What about poor Fergie? the little grey fergies have been around for years and pretty much loved by tractor fans " Indeed so, the Little Grey Fergie provided a complete revolution in agricultural development with their 3-point linkage system. | |||
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"What’s he actually done wrong I’m not following the story The story's been running for 15 years or so, major news. Do you really have no idea at all?" News travels very slowly in the Highlands ... They didn't hear about the abdication of Edward VIII until 1972 | |||
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"Well you have to give credit to the royal family; finally getting woke and cancelling one of their own." It’s the self preservation society… and the King could read the room. The tide of public opinion was calling for it, and the political climate at the moment doesn’t necessarily favour the status quo. It’s an attempt to keep on the right side of public opinion, and shows that nobody is above being held to account. Which I’m sure will make a lot of people nervous. I liked the closing comment about thinking of the victims in all of this. I’m glad he’s been pushed. | |||
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"What about poor Fergie?" What about her? Having a silly airhead wife probably started the road to his downfall | |||
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"I used to see him regularly driving up The Long Walk in a convertible Aston. One of those twats that ties a jumper around his neck. " Ugh, the more I find out about that guy... | |||
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"What’s he actually done wrong I’m not following the story The story's been running for 15 years or so, major news. Do you really have no idea at all? News travels very slowly in the Highlands ... They didn't hear about the abdication of Edward VIII until 1972" The Highlands is possibly where he will be exiled to far away from any neighbours or press, although Sandringham has been mooted as a possibility also. Probably not Royal Wood Farm because that belongs to the Prince of Wales, but maybe Anmer Hall near Sandringham. When Napoleon abdicated there was a possibility of him being exiled to a remote estate in England, however King George wouldn’t sanction it, and he was shipped off to St. Helena without ever putting foot on English soil. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor should think himself fortunate not to be exiled to a very remote island in the South Atlantic. | |||
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"Well you have to give credit to the royal family; finally getting woke and cancelling one of their own." Only because they're shit scared of what the backlash would be if they just ignored the public mood. Self preservation and nothing else. Fuck them all. | |||
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"It's hard on Norfolk though. .. isnt there an Island somewhere that could contain his ego ?" Epstein Island  | |||
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"Well you have to give credit to the royal family; finally getting woke and cancelling one of their own. Only because they're shit scared of what the backlash would be if they just ignored the public mood. Self preservation and nothing else. Fuck them all. " The way William was, having to sit by him at the last funeral, this isn’t just down to public opinion, but it has helped | |||
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"What’s he actually done wrong I’m not following the story The story's been running for 15 years or so, major news. Do you really have no idea at all? News travels very slowly in the Highlands ... They didn't hear about the abdication of Edward VIII until 1972 The Highlands is possibly where he will be exiled to far away from any neighbours or press, although Sandringham has been mooted as a possibility also. Probably not Royal Wood Farm because that belongs to the Prince of Wales, but maybe Anmer Hall near Sandringham. When Napoleon abdicated there was a possibility of him being exiled to a remote estate in England, however King George wouldn’t sanction it, and he was shipped off to St. Helena without ever putting foot on English soil. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor should think himself fortunate not to be exiled to a very remote island in the South Atlantic." Well, their is the old Mountbatten estate near Romsey in Hampshire...? However, wherever he ends up in exile, it may not be enough to bury the stink that has been generated for the Windsor 'firm'... Chas realises this has to go away, and stay away before dis'lodged' and disgruntled gingers think they have nothing to lose now by selling their royal memoirs. Andy could even face criminal charges here if the current police investigation throws up more dirt! He and his close associates would be well advised to stay away from tunnel underpasses and concrete pillars! | |||
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"Get rid of the lot." Ah yes!!... Let's replace the monarchy with a presidency? Hmmmm??... President Starmer??? Errr!! Nah! Maybe not a bright idea there!! 😆 | |||
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"Remove all of their stupid made up titles, same with Peers, the only titles I recognise are ones people have earned, such as Doctor or Professor and ones people have been elected to like MP, MSP, AM Etc. " I fully agree with the sentiment here expressed. | |||
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"It's hard on Norfolk though. .. isnt there an Island somewhere that could contain his ego ?" Maybe 1 of the uninhabited Falklands islands would be suitable | |||
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"What about poor Fergie? the little grey fergies have been around for years and pretty much loved by tractor fans Indeed so, the Little Grey Fergie provided a complete revolution in agricultural development with their 3-point linkage system. Those narrow front wheels could turn the steering wheel into a thumb breaker! "  | |||
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"What about poor Fergie? the little grey fergies have been around for years and pretty much loved by tractor fans Indeed so, the Little Grey Fergie provided a complete revolution in agricultural development with their 3-point linkage system. Those narrow front wheels could turn the steering wheel into a thumb breaker! "The diesel one was terrific, but the petrol-paraffin version couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. | |||
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"It's hard on Norfolk though. .. isnt there an Island somewhere that could contain his ego ? Maybe 1 of the uninhabited Falklands islands would be suitable " Or Rockall. | |||
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"What about poor Fergie? the little grey fergies have been around for years and pretty much loved by tractor fans Indeed so, the Little Grey Fergie provided a complete revolution in agricultural development with their 3-point linkage system. Those narrow front wheels could turn the steering wheel into a thumb breaker!
The diesel one was terrific, but the petrol-paraffin version couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding."The 4 cylinder 35 was just as bad too! | |||
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"My mate was in the Falklands war , royal Navy. All the war hero bull anbout Andrew really pisses him and his mates off. mummys boy was stationed on a ship miles from the action, only there if things went really wrong. The ship he was on had loads of protection while my mate and all the other poor bastards were on the front line He went to a falklands vets re union a few years back. All the vets were sat down and the prick came into the room - half stood up half didnt see him. he shouted out "lets try that again shall we", left the room and came back as everyone stood up. My mate took a oath to queen and country like all the vets, but the fat nonce was despised by nearly every one in the Navy" Unfortunately he was an honorary Vice Admiral, the fact that they all stood up the 2nd time shows they respect military hierarchy not him, respect is to the rank and not the person. Now he has lost that honorary rank he is a the same as every other person in that room, a retired serviceman, no serving or ex service personnel will be standing up to attention if that situation occurs again. | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince " It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. | |||
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"My mate was in the Falklands war , royal Navy. All the war hero bull anbout Andrew really pisses him and his mates off. mummys boy was stationed on a ship miles from the action, only there if things went really wrong. The ship he was on had loads of protection while my mate and all the other poor bastards were on the front line He went to a falklands vets re union a few years back. All the vets were sat down and the prick came into the room - half stood up half didnt see him. he shouted out "lets try that again shall we", left the room and came back as everyone stood up. My mate took a oath to queen and country like all the vets, but the fat nonce was despised by nearly every one in the Navy Unfortunately he was an honorary Vice Admiral, the fact that they all stood up the 2nd time shows they respect military hierarchy not him, respect is to the rank and not the person. Now he has lost that honorary rank he is a the same as every other person in that room, a retired serviceman, no serving or ex service personnel will be standing up to attention if that situation occurs again." Point taken, but if he had been a half decent officer he'd have let it go. If he'd been announced, maybe that would have been different, but I well remember failing to salute a zob who was approaching from my rear (fnaaarrr) and being pulled up for it. About turn, quick march, halt, salute - then I said I hadn't seen him as he was coming from behind, and there wasn't much more he could say. | |||
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"Only 3 months and he'll be a state pensioner. " He'll be the right age, but has he kept up with his National Insurance contributions? Either way, he'll be eligible for a bus pass. | |||
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"Only 3 months and he'll be a state pensioner. He'll be the right age, but has he kept up with his National Insurance contributions? Either way, he'll be eligible for a bus pass." Konectbus...he'll have a shock when he tells the driver where he wants to go... | |||
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"My mate was in the Falklands war , royal Navy. All the war hero bull anbout Andrew really pisses him and his mates off. mummys boy was stationed on a ship miles from the action, only there if things went really wrong. The ship he was on had loads of protection while my mate and all the other poor bastards were on the front line He went to a falklands vets re union a few years back. All the vets were sat down and the prick came into the room - half stood up half didnt see him. he shouted out "lets try that again shall we", left the room and came back as everyone stood up. My mate took a oath to queen and country like all the vets, but the fat nonce was despised by nearly every one in the Navy Unfortunately he was an honorary Vice Admiral, the fact that they all stood up the 2nd time shows they respect military hierarchy not him, respect is to the rank and not the person. Now he has lost that honorary rank he is a the same as every other person in that room, a retired serviceman, no serving or ex service personnel will be standing up to attention if that situation occurs again. Point taken, but if he had been a half decent officer he'd have let it go. If he'd been announced, maybe that would have been different, but I well remember failing to salute a zob who was approaching from my rear (fnaaarrr) and being pulled up for it. About turn, quick march, halt, salute - then I said I hadn't seen him as he was coming from behind, and there wasn't much more he could say." I wouldn’t want Mr. Mountbatten Windsor coming up from my behind! | |||
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"It's hard on Norfolk though. .. isnt there an Island somewhere that could contain his ego ? Maybe 1 of the uninhabited Falklands islands would be suitable Or Rockall." St .Kinda Island | |||
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"The Andrew formally known as Prince 😂 " The Andrew informally known as Nonce | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. " My understanding of paedophile is anyone who has sex with a child which is exactly what this pollock admitted to when he paid 12 million £ to Miss Duffey to avoid being convicted in court. He is a horrible individual and well done to Miss Duffey for having the courage to show show this person up for exactly what he is. | |||
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"It's hard on Norfolk though. .. isnt there an Island somewhere that could contain his ego ? Maybe 1 of the uninhabited Falklands islands would be suitable Or Rockall." What's the situation with Anthrax Island these days? | |||
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"It's hard on Norfolk though. .. isnt there an Island somewhere that could contain his ego ? Maybe 1 of the uninhabited Falklands islands would be suitable Or Rockall. What's the situation with Anthrax Island these days?" It's clear. And far too close to civilisation. | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. My understanding of paedophile is anyone who has sex with a child which is exactly what this pollock admitted to when he paid 12 million £ to Miss Duffey to avoid being convicted in court. He is a horrible individual and well done to Miss Duffey for having the courage to show show this person up for exactly what he is." I've no idea who Miss Duffey/Duffy is, however a paedophile is someone who is attracted to prepub*escent children. His alleged victim was 17 at the time of the alleged incidents, above the age of consent. | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. My understanding of paedophile is anyone who has sex with a child which is exactly what this pollock admitted to when he paid 12 million £ to Miss Duffey to avoid being convicted in court. He is a horrible individual and well done to Miss Duffey for having the courage to show show this person up for exactly what he is. I've no idea who Miss Duffey/Duffy is, however a paedophile is someone who is attracted to prepub*escent children. His alleged victim was 17 at the time of the alleged incidents, above the age of consent." Im sure she was under the age of consent -18 - in USA where it happened | |||
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" He went to a falklands vets re union a few years back. All the vets were sat down and the prick came into the room - half stood up half didnt see him. he shouted out "lets try that again shall we", left the room and came back as everyone stood up. " What a fuckin cunt. Sorry, let's try that again shall we. What a fuckin sweaty nonce cunt. | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince... ...It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid... ... however a paedophile is someone who is attracted to prepub*escent children. His alleged victim was 17 at the time of the alleged incidents, above the age of consent." The legal age for consensual sex is irrelevant. She had not reached the age of majority. She was a child in the eyes of the law. A child is not deemed to have reached mental maturity to participate in certain activities, vote, buy cigarettes or alcohol nor engage in pr0stitution (even if they do so willingly or voluntarily). Having sex with a person under 18 who is being paid for engaging in that act is a criminal offence in both the USA and the UK, as the age of majority is 18 (in some US states the age of majority is 21). The Oxford dictionary definition of a paedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children, puberty is not included in that definition, anyone under the age of majority is a child. Notwithstanding that, a person convicted under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 in the UK would have their name entered onto the sex offenders register. The colloquial terms for a person on the sex register is paedo or nonce. | |||
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"Didn't see her screaming with 12,000,000." She's dead. Is that satisfactory enough for you and your victim shaming? | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. My understanding of paedophile is anyone who has sex with a child which is exactly what this pollock admitted to when he paid 12 million £ to Miss Duffey to avoid being convicted in court. He is a horrible individual and well done to Miss Duffey for having the courage to show show this person up for exactly what he is. I've no idea who Miss Duffey/Duffy is, however a paedophile is someone who is attracted to prepub*escent children. His alleged victim was 17 at the time of the alleged incidents, above the age of consent. Im sure she was under the age of consent -18 - in USA where it happened" The issue was that she was trafficked, basically a sex sla*ve, rather than her age. | |||
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"Discuss " Discuss? don’t you have any comments of your own or don’t you have the knowledge or intelligence to get involved? | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life." Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? " She killed herself . wtf ? | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? She killed herself . wtf ? " Lots of people who had a consensual relationship with the media take their own lives ... That doesn't necessarily mean that 'The Media' drove them to it. You wanted to discuss the subject, So .... | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? She killed herself . wtf ? Lots of people who had a consensual relationship with the media take their own lives ... That doesn't necessarily mean that 'The Media' drove them to it. You wanted to discuss the subject, So .... " Did she actively pursue the media for her own financial gain? If so, why did she take her own life, as you suggest she achieved her objective? | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? She killed herself . wtf ? Lots of people who had a consensual relationship with the media take their own lives ... That doesn't necessarily mean that 'The Media' drove them to it. You wanted to discuss the subject, So .... Did she actively pursue the media for her own financial gain? If so, why did she take her own life, as you suggest she achieved her objective?" I can't answer for her ... No idea what was going through her mind when she took the decision to end her life. I can say, however, say that Ms Giuffre voluntarily gave her services to Dateline NBC, 60 Minutes Australia, and the BBC. Then went on to co-author a book with journalist Amy Wallace. Officially, at least, Jeffrey Epstein also took his own life. Another one down to the media in your view? | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. My understanding of paedophile is anyone who has sex with a child which is exactly what this pollock admitted to when he paid 12 million £ to Miss Duffey to avoid being convicted in court. He is a horrible individual and well done to Miss Duffey for having the courage to show show this person up for exactly what he is. I've no idea who Miss Duffey/Duffy is, however a paedophile is someone who is attracted to prepub*escent children. His alleged victim was 17 at the time of the alleged incidents, above the age of consent. Im sure she was under the age of consent -18 - in USA where it happened The issue was that she was trafficked, basically a sex sla*ve, rather than her age." you have said she was above the age of consent, im pretty sure that in the states it was 18 so she was below the age- he would have known that for sure. In usa law sha was a child | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? She killed herself . wtf ? Lots of people who had a consensual relationship with the media take their own lives ... That doesn't necessarily mean that 'The Media' drove them to it. You wanted to discuss the subject, So .... Did she actively pursue the media for her own financial gain? If so, why did she take her own life, as you suggest she achieved her objective? I can't answer for her ... No idea what was going through her mind when she took the decision to end her life. I can say, however, say that Ms Giuffre voluntarily gave her services to Dateline NBC, 60 Minutes Australia, and the BBC. Then went on to co-author a book with journalist Amy Wallace. Officially, at least, Jeffrey Epstein also took his own life. Another one down to the media in your view? " It seems you were mistaken regarding her financial benefits; otherwise, why would she take her own life? She should have been elated with the money she received. Indeed, the media followed her closely, contributing to a level of pressure she could not handle, ultimately leading to her tragic decision. It's as straightforward as that. Initially, she sought to have her voice amplified by the media, but she later came to understand that their focus was not on her but rather on Epstein and Prince Andrew. Personally, I do not believe Epstein ended his own life.May be I am wrong . | |||
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"He earns 20m from land and properties in duchy of Lancaster I heard on 5live today x" A mere 20 million? Poor guy  | |||
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"The peado formerly known as Prince It's 'paedo' (paedophile), and there's no evidence he is one. The word is over-used these days, diminishing its impact and making whoever uses it look stupid. My understanding of paedophile is anyone who has sex with a child which is exactly what this pollock admitted to when he paid 12 million £ to Miss Duffey to avoid being convicted in court. He is a horrible individual and well done to Miss Duffey for having the courage to show show this person up for exactly what he is. I've no idea who Miss Duffey/Duffy is, however a paedophile is someone who is attracted to prepub*escent children. His alleged victim was 17 at the time of the alleged incidents, above the age of consent. Im sure she was under the age of consent -18 - in USA where it happened The issue was that she was trafficked, basically a sex sla*ve, rather than her age. you have said she was above the age of consent, im pretty sure that in the states it was 18 so she was below the age- he would have known that for sure. In usa law sha was a child " Virginia Roberts asserted that she had sex with Prince Andrew on three occasions, including a trip to London in 2001 when she was 17, and later in New York and on Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands. She was not below the age of consent in any of those places, and none of the allegations against him have suggested she was. | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? She killed herself . wtf ? Lots of people who had a consensual relationship with the media take their own lives ... That doesn't necessarily mean that 'The Media' drove them to it. You wanted to discuss the subject, So .... Did she actively pursue the media for her own financial gain? If so, why did she take her own life, as you suggest she achieved her objective? I can't answer for her ... No idea what was going through her mind when she took the decision to end her life. I can say, however, say that Ms Giuffre voluntarily gave her services to Dateline NBC, 60 Minutes Australia, and the BBC. Then went on to co-author a book with journalist Amy Wallace. Officially, at least, Jeffrey Epstein also took his own life. Another one down to the media in your view? It seems you were mistaken regarding her financial benefits; otherwise, why would she take her own life? She should have been elated with the money she received. Indeed, the media followed her closely, contributing to a level of pressure she could not handle, ultimately leading to her tragic decision. It's as straightforward as that. Initially, she sought to have her voice amplified by the media, but she later came to understand that their focus was not on her but rather on Epstein and Prince Andrew. Personally, I do not believe Epstein ended his own life.May be I am wrong . Oh I think she had a very keen interest in accumulating great wealth and celebrity status. As was her right of course. But as the old saying goes - 'Be careful what you wish for' Without the media's involvement, & the public's appetite for salacious scandal, Epstein, Maxwell ... & Andrew Windsor(+ Ferguson) would still be sitting pretty. " It is astonishing how you completely overlook her bravery, instead attributing credit to the media, which constantly seeks profit. | |||
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"Virginia Roberts asserted that she had sex with Prince Andrew on three occasions, including a trip to London in 2001 when she was 17, and later in New York and on Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands. She was not below the age of consent in any of those places, and none of the allegations against him have suggested she was." The legal age for consensual sex is irrelevant. She was engaged by Epstein to provide sex in receipt of payment. She had not reached the age of majority, which is 18 in the UK and US (in some US states the age of majority is 21). She was a child in the eyes of the law. A child is not deemed to have reached mental maturity to participate in certain activities. A child cannot vote, cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol, cannot even get married without parental consent and cannot engage in pr0stitution even if they do so willingly. Having sex with a person under 18 who is being paid for engaging in that act is a criminal offence in both the USA and the UK. It remains an offence even if the child is willingly participating, as they are considered not have the mental maturity to consent to being pr0stituted. | |||
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"About time too…. I wonder if HM the King getting heckled a few days ago helped him make this decision a little faster? But the final part of the statement is very telling on the stance of the King & Queen.. “Their Majesties wish to make clear that their thoughts and utmost sympathies have been, and will remain with, the victims and survivors of any and all forms of abuse.“ " Let's be clear, the heckler of the King is from an anti monarchist group and is using the Andrew situation to further the group's attack on the Crown and will now look to expand investigations with a view to discrediting the concept of the Monarchy as a whole and certain virtue signalling MP's will take up the quest in an effort to guild their own lillies. The King has taken action in an effort to preserve the sanctity of the Crown in response to the baying for blood of the mob (the media). Demonstrating this generation of the Royal Family's fear of losing the support of the socialist lovvies in Westminster. Yes Andrew has made some questionable decisions as to friends and associates mainly driven me thinks by the desire for funds. Yes he has displayed an entitled attitude which is not in line with modern views and attitudes, but is he guilty of breaking any laws? As yet nothing has been proven. Andrew has fallen foul of the court of media driven public opinion and has been sacrificed on that alter. Andrew has become a victim of the Royal Family's mantra of 'Never explain and Never Complain'. For now he has gone and should be left to disappear into oblivion. However I fear that certain people and groups both in the UK and US smell blood and an opportunity to further their own agendas and ability to monetise their tenuous causes(books etc). So don't expect this story to go away anytime soon. It is potentially too much of a revenue stream for media Barron's and wannabe 'me top' so called victims! | |||
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"Few discuss the media's indirect role in the tragedy of that girl. It is truly disheartening to witness how losing a title seems to take precedence over another person's life. Didn't she, as an adult, court the media for her own personal & financial benefit? She killed herself . wtf ? Lots of people who had a consensual relationship with the media take their own lives ... That doesn't necessarily mean that 'The Media' drove them to it. You wanted to discuss the subject, So .... Did she actively pursue the media for her own financial gain? If so, why did she take her own life, as you suggest she achieved her objective? I can't answer for her ... No idea what was going through her mind when she took the decision to end her life. I can say, however, say that Ms Giuffre voluntarily gave her services to Dateline NBC, 60 Minutes Australia, and the BBC. Then went on to co-author a book with journalist Amy Wallace. Officially, at least, Jeffrey Epstein also took his own life. Another one down to the media in your view? It seems you were mistaken regarding her financial benefits; otherwise, why would she take her own life? She should have been elated with the money she received. Indeed, the media followed her closely, contributing to a level of pressure she could not handle, ultimately leading to her tragic decision. It's as straightforward as that. Initially, she sought to have her voice amplified by the media, but she later came to understand that their focus was not on her but rather on Epstein and Prince Andrew. Personally, I do not believe Epstein ended his own life.May be I am wrong . Oh I think she had a very keen interest in accumulating great wealth and celebrity status. As was her right of course. But as the old saying goes - 'Be careful what you wish for' Without the media's involvement, & the public's appetite for salacious scandal, Epstein, Maxwell ... & Andrew Windsor(+ Ferguson) would still be sitting pretty. It is astonishing how you completely overlook her bravery, instead attributing credit to the media, which constantly seeks profit. 'Of seeking profit' Well, she did let Andrew off the hook for 12 million quid. Took the money and ran? She has chosen to end her own life, and you are concerned about Andrew's finances? I remain here, awaiting your response. Why did she take such a drastic step if all she sought was wealth in your perception? Surely, she could have continued on and amassed more riches, after all. You are just repeating yourself now and getting a little confused. Have a re-read through when you have calmed down a bit. The thing about inviting discussion is that you will get to hear opposing points of view. If that's something that makes you feel uncomfortable, then don't go there in the first place. 'Over & Out'" You should have exited after your initial statement, to be honest, as it made no sense from the beginning. You attempted to belittle the girl throughout with your nonsensical financial accusations, while the reality is that she was not concerned about money; her pain stemmed from something entirely different, yet you continued to discuss finances. It seems that everything in your life is measured by monetary value. The media has ruined many lives, so consider sharing your story with them; they won't care at all unless there's money involved. | |||
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"I'm not defending AMW at all but, I think he's now received his just desserts and has been served with an adequate punishment with his loss of royal status, titles, honours etc together with the loss of his home too, he's an obnoxious character by all accounts but it soon will be time to close the book on the whole unsavoury sordid saga and let it a fade into the tombs of history and let him and his immediate family get on with their lives in private without being constantly hounded by the press. " Agree 100%. It's done. He's been disgraced and rightly so. Hopefully he will soon be completely forgotten. | |||
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"About time the AMW formerly known as prince was left alone and forgotten about" Here! Here! Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor was born into a position of extreme high privilege, with the price of being denied the privacy we take for granted. He mixed with the rich and famous, with all the perks that came with it. He's faced serious allegations, which he vigorously denies. A civil settlement was reached with one accuser. He served in the Falklands War, though his actions have faced criticism. The media's reported extensively on the case. Given he's now nearly 65 and has been stripped of his titles and honours perhaps he now deserves more privacy and a chance to live his life in peace as the scandal drifts away to join so many of the past in the dusty annals of history. | |||
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"Can't see him spending the rest of his miserable days in Norfolk .... A move to Dubi perhaps? " Does anyone know if Fergie moved to Norfolk with him, and if not where is she? They separated in 1992, divorced a few years later but seemingly got back together again around 25 years ago. Grifters as they both are, no doubt they did this because it was mutually beneficial, in financial terms at least. Maybe the golden goose has finally croaked it. | |||
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"They are all up to no good. I worked in London with an openly gay guy who was on the gay scene and pretty much a rent boy. He met Edward several times out and about. Charles and his Dad were both good friends with Savile. " There have been suggestions for a long while that Edward was 'theatrical'. I'm not so sure that Savile was ever friends with any of the royal family though, he just milked it. There was some association because of his charitable work, but as Philip's biographer Giles Brandeth has pointed out, the royals can be friendly but it never amounts to friendship. | |||
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"They are all up to no good. I worked in London with an openly gay guy who was on the gay scene and pretty much a rent boy. He met Edward several times out and about. Charles and his Dad were both good friends with Savile. " The Epstein business only lifted a small corner of the blanket under which the interconnected rich operate. Just enough to see more. And there's a lot of pressure to put it back again. | |||
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"They are all up to no good. I worked in London with an openly gay guy who was on the gay scene and pretty much a rent boy. He met Edward several times out and about. Charles and his Dad were both good friends with Savile. " Birds of a feather. | |||
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"About time too…. I wonder if HM the King getting heckled a few days ago helped him make this decision a little faster? But the final part of the statement is very telling on the stance of the King & Queen.. “Their Majesties wish to make clear that their thoughts and utmost sympathies have been, and will remain with, the victims and survivors of any and all forms of abuse.“ " | |||
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"I wonder when the King talked about abuse he had in mind his treatment of Diana?!" 👏 | |||
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"I wonder when the King talked about abuse he had in mind his treatment of Diana?!👏" ... ... Indeed the hypocrisy is obvious. Alexa play Charles Windsor by McCarthy... | |||
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"They are all up to no good. I worked in London with an openly gay guy who was on the gay scene and pretty much a rent boy. He met Edward several times out and about. Charles and his Dad were both good friends with Savile. " How can anyone on this site criticise anyone else--royal or not--for dabbling in a bit of man-on-man activity? As for Savile he was a charmer and a lot of people were taken in by him and unaware of his 'dark side'. Many years ago my stepfather was in Stoke Mandeville Hospital where Saville was a frequent visitor. Savile sat at his bedside for about half an hour and they got on famously. I'm sure dad would have been absolutely mortified if he had lived to hear the truth about Savile. | |||
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"I dont get all the faux pearl clutching about him now, when those of us old enough to remember the 80s will equally remember the newspapers salivating over the exploits of 'Randy Andy', each one touting for pictures of whichever girl he was shagging at the time. " Just a few minor details ... It was generally assumed that: 1. The girls were over the age of consent. 2. They were willing. 3. He did his own procurement, rather than using a pimp. It's possible that 3 was not entirely true - he was, after all, a royal, and used to having his teddy bears neatly arranged for him, so perhaps he had people arranging his shags as well. But any hint of 1 or 2 being false, and media - other than the fawning sycophantic tabloids - would have been all over it. | |||
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"I dont get all the faux pearl clutching about him now, when those of us old enough to remember the 80s will equally remember the newspapers salivating over the exploits of 'Randy Andy', each one touting for pictures of whichever girl he was shagging at the time. Just a few minor details ... It was generally assumed that: 1. The girls were over the age of consent. 2. They were willing. 3. He did his own procurement, rather than using a pimp. It's possible that 3 was not entirely true - he was, after all, a royal, and used to having his teddy bears neatly arranged for him, so perhaps he had people arranging his shags as well. But any hint of 1 or 2 being false, and media - other than the fawning sycophantic tabloids - would have been all over it." Absolutely...he hasn't been convicted of anything..its all tabloid hype. Jug ears shouldn't have had to apologise for anything to do with Andrew. Although he is so far up himself he can see next week's shit, he hasn't been convicted of anything, just trial by media through association. | |||
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"I dont get all the faux pearl clutching about him now, when those of us old enough to remember the 80s will equally remember the newspapers salivating over the exploits of 'Randy Andy', each one touting for pictures of whichever girl he was shagging at the time. Just a few minor details ... It was generally assumed that: 1. The girls were over the age of consent. 2. They were willing. 3. He did his own procurement, rather than using a pimp. It's possible that 3 was not entirely true - he was, after all, a royal, and used to having his teddy bears neatly arranged for him, so perhaps he had people arranging his shags as well. But any hint of 1 or 2 being false, and media - other than the fawning sycophantic tabloids - would have been all over it. Absolutely...he hasn't been convicted of anything..its all tabloid hype. Jug ears shouldn't have had to apologise for anything to do with Andrew. Although he is so far up himself he can see next week's shit, he hasn't been convicted of anything, just trial by media through association. " i was referring to the 80's newspapers. Very different now. There is no doubt in my mind that Windsor was up to his neck in Epstein & Maxwell's vile schemes. This is not just tabloid froth. He made a very large payoff rather than justify his conduct in court - although it wasn't his money, and he has been habitually extravagant with other people's. He has had very serious questions put to him, to which he's oddly unwilling to respond. | |||
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"Andrew should be in prison" You need to have committed a criminal offence for that | |||
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" I think Anne is the only “ normal” one " i agree, as far as anyone in that family could be. i felt sorry for Margaret, though. | |||
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"Regardless of any offence he may have committed in the US, it seems that an offence may have been committed here in UK. Virginia Giuffre may have been over age of consent in the UK but this does not apply when the “victim” has been trafficked - which seems to be the case. Sex with a victim of trafficking is a strict liability offence. There is no defence of ignorance. Authorities probably found it ‘inconvenient’ to follow this up. All very murky" There was no criminal allegation by Veronica Giuffre that she was trafficked for sexual purposes to the UK. There was a law introduced in 2015 regarding human trafficking of all types, but it is not retrospective. | |||
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" I think Anne is the only “ normal” one i agree, as far as anyone in that family could be. i felt sorry for Margaret, though. " She was a spare so they were happy for her to just stoat about pissed No real Joe except being wealthy | |||
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"Regardless of any offence he may have committed in the US, it seems that an offence may have been committed here in UK. Virginia Giuffre may have been over age of consent in the UK but this does not apply when the “victim” has been trafficked - which seems to be the case. Sex with a victim of trafficking is a strict liability offence. There is no defence of ignorance. Authorities probably found it ‘inconvenient’ to follow this up. All very murky There was no criminal allegation by Veronica Giuffre that she was trafficked for sexual purposes to the UK. There was a law introduced in 2015 regarding human trafficking of all types, but it is not retrospective." Thanks | |||
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"And apart from that, he appears to be a pompous prick" That was the impression I got of him during a very brief meeting with him in the 1980s. Also know a guy who served in the RN with him and said the same about AMW. Still don't like this ongoing witch-hunt against him. I've also met Prince Edward. Totally different. Friendly, polite and unassuming. | |||
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"Why of all the people that knew Epstein or have been pictured with him is Andrew the one that the press keep hounding? Trump has less focus being put on him when he clearly had more involvement with Epstein?" Just an idea, but maybe it's something to do with British media being more interested in British political events? If you look at US sources - apart from the ones owned by Trump toadies - there is a lot of focus on Trump, while Windsor is barely mentioned. But in UK sources - apart from the ones owned by royalist toadies - there is a lot of focus on Windsor, but how much mention is there of Trump? | |||
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"Why of all the people that knew Epstein or have been pictured with him is Andrew the one that the press keep hounding? Trump has less focus being put on him when he clearly had more involvement with Epstein? Just an idea, but maybe it's something to do with British media being more interested in British political events? If you look at US sources - apart from the ones owned by Trump toadies - there is a lot of focus on Trump, while Windsor is barely mentioned. But in UK sources - apart from the ones owned by royalist toadies - there is a lot of focus on Windsor, but how much mention is there of Trump? " Plenty of other reasons as well, such as the photograph of Andrew with his arm around the girl, Maxwell also in the picture, the girl making allegations of a sexual nature and, in the last week, revelations of Andrew sending emails asking for more 'inappropriate friends'. | |||
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"Just think who the REALLY powerful people who are on The List that they can cause the downfall of a UK Prince. Shadowy forces at work" He caused his own downfall surely?? | |||
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"Discuss " I find this direction rude, pompous and irritating, not least as the OP hasn’t shown his opinion on the subject. What does everyone else think? | |||
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"Discuss I find this direction rude, pompous and irritating, not least as the OP hasn’t shown his opinion on the subject. What does everyone else think?" I think he's opening the floor for discussion so anyone can put their POV forward. So the complete opposite of what you've said. | |||
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"His middle name is ironic." Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor 🤔 | |||
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"Middle name as mooted by the Op,Al. " Which is clearly erroneous? | |||
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