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"How Jewish?" Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. " So what. Not permitted in Islam either. Or Christianity for most of the last 2000 years. But loads of people do it anyway. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. " I guess Matt Lucas didn't get the memo (Can't have been easy for him either, being the only Jewish gay in the village) | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. I guess Matt Lucas didn't get the memo (Can't have been easy for him either, being the only Jewish gay in the village) " Or Rob Rinder. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. So what. Not permitted in Islam either. Or Christianity for most of the last 2000 years. But loads of people do it anyway." Ease up there, I didn't make the rules, just repeating them. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. " They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. | |||
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"Are there degrees of Jewishness ? Miriam Karlin gets my vote" There are many degrees, and they often joke about it. Eric Hall used to describe himself as Jewish-ish. | |||
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"Take a holiday to Golders Green or Stamford Hill" Golders Green is a couple of miles from me and as you suggest, very Jewish. I live in Finchley which has the highest concentration of Iranian people in the UK. I know a number of people from both communities who happily co-exist, just normal everyday people like everyone else. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky." Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. " The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew? | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew?" Jewish is not a race, if one is Jewish or a Jew the assumption is that one follows Judaism. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew? Jewish is not a race, if one is Jewish or a Jew the assumption is that one follows Judaism. " That's just ignorance. According to a 2001 survey by City University of New York, 49% of all American Jews identify as being secular while 22% of American Jews as of 2013 identify as having no religion Characteristics of a secular Jew: Cultural and national identity: They see their Jewish identity as cultural or national, separate from religious practice. Relationship to religious observance: They may celebrate holidays like Hanukkah or Passover as important family and cultural rituals, even without religious belief. Separation of religion and state: Many secular Jews support the separation of church and state and advocate for civil marriages and public transportation on Shabbat. Modern values: They often embrace modernity and align with individual freedom, democracy, and Western liberal ideals. | |||
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"Go to Turkey and you will see hundreds of muslims smoking, drinking and even knock you up a nice fry up or a bacon butty. They actually have a pork shop in a resort near where we stay." Turkey has become quite secular over the last 100 years, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire and then the rise of Attaturk. Also Turks like to distance themselves from Arabs (due to Arabs and the Brits working together to end the Ottoman Empire), but yeah in most tourist destinations in Turkey it’s a lot more secular and people will drink (me included), and not really follow Islam. There are still places in Turkey that follow Islam more religiously however, just depends where you go Also you’re probably having turkey bacon instead of pork bacon, it’s difficult to get that there | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew? Jewish is not a race, if one is Jewish or a Jew the assumption is that one follows Judaism. That's just ignorance. According to a 2001 survey by City University of New York, 49% of all American Jews identify as being secular while 22% of American Jews as of 2013 identify as having no religion Characteristics of a secular Jew: Cultural and national identity: They see their Jewish identity as cultural or national, separate from religious practice. Relationship to religious observance: They may celebrate holidays like Hanukkah or Passover as important family and cultural rituals, even without religious belief. Separation of religion and state: Many secular Jews support the separation of church and state and advocate for civil marriages and public transportation on Shabbat. Modern values: They often embrace modernity and align with individual freedom, democracy, and Western liberal ideals. " Pretty sure yahweh doesn't see it like that. | |||
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"...Lots of Jewish people eat bacon sandwiches...." Ed Miliband for one. But you could tell it was an effort. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew? Jewish is not a race, if one is Jewish or a Jew the assumption is that one follows Judaism. " Jews are a race just as Arabs are a race . Both of which can choose which religion they follow or not but usually Judaism or Islamism as the main ones | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew? Jewish is not a race, if one is Jewish or a Jew the assumption is that one follows Judaism. That's just ignorance. According to a 2001 survey by City University of New York, 49% of all American Jews identify as being secular while 22% of American Jews as of 2013 identify as having no religion Characteristics of a secular Jew: Cultural and national identity: They see their Jewish identity as cultural or national, separate from religious practice. Relationship to religious observance: They may celebrate holidays like Hanukkah or Passover as important family and cultural rituals, even without religious belief. Separation of religion and state: Many secular Jews support the separation of church and state and advocate for civil marriages and public transportation on Shabbat. Modern values: They often embrace modernity and align with individual freedom, democracy, and Western liberal ideals. " I suspect a lot of Christians will fall into the same category- celebrate Christmas, Easter have a church wedding and that's it | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. They could be an atheist though, or just not bothered. People don't live to the strict rules you imagine, I have Muslim mates who enjoy a pint and the odd glass of whisky. Ah, so we're talking about people who identify as Jewish but are not religious. That's different then, and pretty daft. The OP never mentioned religion. Please tell me what is daft about being a non-religious, ethnic Jew? Jewish is not a race, if one is Jewish or a Jew the assumption is that one follows Judaism. Jews are a race just as Arabs are a race . Both of which can choose which religion they follow or not but usually Judaism or Islamism as the main ones" Ah, well that settles it then, once you show me the biological markers that define a Jew. | |||
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" .... Ah, well that settles it then, once you show me the biological markers that define a Jew. " Maternal mitochondrial DNA | |||
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"I don't care about religion or ethnicity, it's all about the person themselves. " Completely agree with you, which is the way it should be. | |||
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" .... Ah, well that settles it then, once you show me the biological markers that define a Jew. Maternal mitochondrial DNA" So European Jews & Ethiopian Jews are of the same race .... Or is their 'race' based on social constructs rather than biological markers? | |||
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"How Jewish?" what's the measurable scale? Surely it's that you are either Jewish, or not. Or is there some factor whereby one can be semi-jew? Quasi-jew? Wouldn't that be circumspect? | |||
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" .... Ah, well that settles it then, once you show me the biological markers that define a Jew. Maternal mitochondrial DNA So European Jews & Ethiopian Jews are of the same race .... Or is their 'race' based on social constructs rather than biological markers? " I admit, I don't know the details. But traditionally, I gather, you're not a proper Jew unless your mother is, and mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from the mother. That said, there are several other lines of enquiry, and a lot of uncertainty and argument, (as is routine among Jewish scholars). Ethiopian and Indian Jews may well be only slightly related to the baseline Sephardim and diaspora Ashkenazim. | |||
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"A weird topic to discuss. Brings to mind the Nuremberg Laws of 1935." The Fabguys forums are full of 'weird topics' .... A veritable smorgasbord of human peculiarities | |||
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" .... Ah, well that settles it then, once you show me the biological markers that define a Jew. Maternal mitochondrial DNA So European Jews & Ethiopian Jews are of the same race .... Or is their 'race' based on social constructs rather than biological markers? I admit, I don't know the details. But traditionally, I gather, you're not a proper Jew unless your mother is, and mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from the mother. That said, there are several other lines of enquiry, and a lot of uncertainty and argument, (as is routine among Jewish scholars). Ethiopian and Indian Jews may well be only slightly related to the baseline Sephardim and diaspora Ashkenazim." Jew is a religion and an ethnicity, ethnicity is distinct from race. As a whole Jews are far too diverse to be considered a race any more than Muslims or Christians can. A significant percentage of the population has little or no DNA that might be classed as Jewish whatsoever, being the descendants of converts. Equally i'm sure many people have 'Jewish DNA' that are about as far as it's possible to get from being seen as one, maybe even myself. It means nothing. I find it odd that some would still cling so vehemently to this outmoded and disproven way of thinking.  | |||
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" ... Jew is a religion and an ethnicity, ethnicity is distinct from race. As a whole Jews are far too diverse to be considered a race any more than Muslims or Christians can. A significant percentage of the population has little or no DNA that might be classed as Jewish whatsoever, being the descendants of converts. Equally i'm sure many people have 'Jewish DNA' that are about as far as it's possible to get from being seen as one, maybe even myself. It means nothing. I find it odd that some would still cling so vehemently to this outmoded and disproven way of thinking. "I don't. "Ethnicity" depends on what you believe you are, regardless of whether you are or not, so it's subjective. What I'm talking about is the objective commonality between people who claim to be separate from others. Cf, frequent claims to be "God's chosen" Whom did God choose for His special favour, and on what basis? And why is the religion almost impermeable for those whose mothers were not Jews? PS I lived next to a rabbi for a bit... | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. So what. Not permitted in Islam either. Or Christianity for most of the last 2000 years. But loads of people do it anyway. Ease up there, I didn't make the rules, just repeating them. " No... you said because of the rule he was "presumably not Jewish at all". | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. So what. Not permitted in Islam either. Or Christianity for most of the last 2000 years. But loads of people do it anyway. Ease up there, I didn't make the rules, just repeating them. No... you said because of the rule he was "presumably not Jewish at all". " Yep. Same sex playing is not allowed. I'm not sure that the Jewish god (the same god that spawned jesus and then killed himself, and the god of islam), would be very happy about Jewish people not following his law. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. So what. Not permitted in Islam either. Or Christianity for most of the last 2000 years. But loads of people do it anyway. Ease up there, I didn't make the rules, just repeating them. No... you said because of the rule he was "presumably not Jewish at all". Yep. Same sex playing is not allowed. I'm not sure that the Jewish god (the same god that spawned jesus and then killed himself, and the god of islam), would be very happy about Jewish people not following his law. " Agree with you The word of God according to all Abrahamic religions is that homosexuality is a sin, and usually one of the ‘major sins’. My family come from a Muslim background, no one in my family is religious, and because I’m gay, it contradicts with a lot of Islam so I don’t consider myself Muslim. You cannot be gay and Muslim, Jew, Christian at the same time. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. " In the state of [dare I mention it?] Israel, which is supposedly a Jewish nation, homosexuality is both legal and widely tolerated except by Orthodox Jews. Even with them they probably get up to mischief behind closed doors. | |||
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"How Jewish? Presumably not Jewish at all if it's same sex relations. Homosexuality is not permitted in Judaism. In the state of [dare I mention it?] Israel, which is supposedly a Jewish nation, homosexuality is both legal and widely tolerated except by Orthodox Jews. Even with them they probably get up to mischief behind closed doors." Correct. The film Eyes Wide Open gives that example | |||
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"What is this obsession with labels Ignore old "writings" that oppress any one Eat pork if it makes you happy, sane goes for prawns and communion wafers" Hold up there, if you ignore old writings you're going straight to hell. But great that you're happy to offer advice that will condemn someone to eternal torment. | |||
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