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"The USA so called peace prosal , given to the Ukraine and Russia, apparently with out agreement from either party. Nor with any regard to the United Nations. From the heading, I have shown my feelings. I will had one more before you lot can voice your opinions. If the Ukraine capitulate, NATO and the UN are finished, world war 3 will be inevitable. " World war 3 is inevitable What planet are you on,it will never happen | |||
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"Orange Man bad!" I find it odd when the cult say this as some kind of gotcha, given that he is quite demonstrably bad. 🤷 | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 21/11/25 19:09:20]" The criminal Trump has no option but to obey Putins orders. No one knows what Putin has over the criminal but it must be huge. I have just listened to a reporter who had a copy of what the yanks sent to Ukraine supposedly as a piece plan, it’s just ridiculous advice and could have been written by a 4yo. | |||
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"America is after mining rights in Ukraine. The world is being eaten up by China and America in competition for minerals and resources That’s why Trump isn’t committing to Ukraine Problem upcoming for US is big Chinese involvement in Cuba " Yet, you'd think if he wants Ukrainian resources, full support would be best chance ?!!? | |||
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"Reduce troops by 60%,dont join nato ? give up part of country? What planet is trump on ? Its open invite to putin to take ukraine if they signed up to deal,they wont they would be mad to and europe needs to back them or else we are next,trump must be getting a big financial deal out of this,thats all hes interested in,his own personal financial gain."  | |||
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"America is after mining rights in Ukraine. The world is being eaten up by China and America in competition for minerals and resources That’s why Trump isn’t committing to Ukraine Problem upcoming for US is big Chinese involvement in Cuba " The USA have always been a self serving gang and are totally unreliable. GB only finished paying off the Americans for WW11 in 2006, and now they strut about the world like heroes , we all know what they really are. | |||
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"You lot should really do your research,when nato was formed,every nation that joined signed an agreement saying they would never advance further east than rammstein germany,they are now a 1000 miles further east than that,all putin dosnt want is nato on his border,not to much to ask really is it,and how trust worthy does that make all the nato members and nations" What an interesting excerpt from "The Young Commissar's Book of History". | |||
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"Agreed. Lost all respect for America. Putin has shit on trump." The criminal Trump is is a total arse hole playing America for the idiots they are happy to be. Putin is just another dictator with plenty of information and use the turd Trump as he wishes. | |||
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"I totally agree with the OP and America clearly demonstrated this fact when they elected a lunatic to be their head of state, very very sad." The lunatics (as you call them) are only given the opportunity to run the asylum when the so called sane people are found to be inadequate! There is no one else... | |||
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"I totally agree with the OP and America clearly demonstrated this fact when they elected a lunatic to be their head of state, very very sad. The lunatics (as you call them) are only given the opportunity to run the asylum when the so called sane people are found to be inadequate! There is no one else..." Who ever said that the people who voted for that lunatic were sane? I can assure you that it wasn’t me. It was only 20% of the yanks who were that stupid but it clearly indicates that those who believe in democracy have plenty to worry about. | |||
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"Polling such as the Gallup poll shows that the Ukrainian people want an immediate end to the conflict. The Neo-Cons, E.U. and U.K. and other war pigs want to fight to the last Ukrainian, the Ukrainian people don't. " Fact check: The last Gallup poll shows that 52% would prefer a negotiated peace to continuing the war. 52% of that 52% ie a minority of the population) were prepared to make territorial concessions inorder to end the war. "Immediate" end? Not covered in the survey. "Neocons?" Think you're confusing this conflict with Iraq. Most of them are reduced to punting Israeli propaganda in their care homes, and Bolton is on trial right now... As to the "warpigs", not to labour the point, if Ukraine is taken by the fascist oligarch in Moscow, the Baltics will the next in Putin's sights - already are, in fact - and destabilisation of Europe will continue beyond this. So don't worry, mate, keep up the propaganda and you may well get your job in the GRU back... | |||
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"I totally agree with the OP and America clearly demonstrated this fact when they elected a lunatic to be their head of state, very very sad. The lunatics (as you call them) are only given the opportunity to run the asylum when the so called sane people are found to be inadequate! There is no one else... Who ever said that the people who voted for that lunatic were sane? I can assure you that it wasn’t me. It was only 20% of the yanks who were that stupid but it clearly indicates that those who believe in democracy have plenty to worry about." I meant the other politicians were inadequate, not the voters... when there is no worthy politicians to vote for, the snake oil salesmen will step up to the plate to fill the void! | |||
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"Polling such as the Gallup poll shows that the Ukrainian people want an immediate end to the conflict. The Neo-Cons, E.U. and U.K. and other war pigs want to fight to the last Ukrainian, the Ukrainian people don't. Fact check: The last Gallup poll shows that 52% would prefer a negotiated peace to continuing the war. 52% of that 52% ie a minority of the population) were prepared to make territorial concessions inorder to end the war. "Immediate" end? Not covered in the survey. "Neocons?" Think you're confusing this conflict with Iraq. Most of them are reduced to punting Israeli propaganda in their care homes, and Bolton is on trial right now... As to the "warpigs", not to labour the point, if Ukraine is taken by the fascist oligarch in Moscow, the Baltics will the next in Putin's sights - already are, in fact - and destabilisation of Europe will continue beyond this. So don't worry, mate, keep up the propaganda and you may well get your job in the GRU back... " That's odd because from the Gallup Poll: Ukrainians Support Negotiated Peace Which of the following statements about the war with Russia comes closest to your personal views? Line chart showing the trend in personal views of Ukrainians toward the war between Ukraine and Russia. In 2025, more people want Ukraine to seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible (69%) than to continue fighting until Ukraine wins (24%), reversing the trend from 2022 when 73% favoured fighting until victory... | |||
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".... In 2025, more people want Ukraine to seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible (69%) than to continue fighting until Ukraine wins (24%), reversing the trend from 2022 when 73% favoured fighting until victory... " Wouldn't you? The kicker is that little word "negotiated". The current offer was reached without Ukraine's participation, and is essentially a lis tof Russian demands, plausibly translated directly from Russian and handed to Trump's stupid and malicious "negotiators". The Gallup poll doesn't ask: " Do you want to negate your right to a free and autonomous country, and hand over its assets to an enemy which has been killing your people for years? So please stop pretending it does, tovarich. | |||
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"America is after mining rights in Ukraine. The world is being eaten up by China and America in competition for minerals and resources That’s why Trump isn’t committing to Ukraine Problem upcoming for US is big Chinese involvement in Cuba Yet, you'd think if he wants Ukrainian resources, full support would be best chance ?!!? " No he’s playing hard ball It’s on trumps terms Same with kicking Sadam out of Kuwait | |||
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".... In 2025, more people want Ukraine to seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible (69%) than to continue fighting until Ukraine wins (24%), reversing the trend from 2022 when 73% favoured fighting until victory... Wouldn't you? The kicker is that little word "negotiated". The current offer was reached without Ukraine's participation, and is essentially a lis tof Russian demands, plausibly translated directly from Russian and handed to Trump's stupid and malicious "negotiators". The Gallup poll doesn't ask: " Do you want to negate your right to a free and autonomous country, and hand over its assets to an enemy which has been killing your people for years? So please stop pretending it does, tovarich. " No I wouldn't, I'm not a Chicken Hawk and don't have the stomach to watch thousands of young and old people thrown to the frontline to a certain death after a week or two's training. In actual fact autonomy was already granted, to the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, this agreement was broken (by elensky) and the conflict escalated. That's not pretence, it's fact. | |||
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"Wrong again, sweetpea. Autonomy wasn't granted to those regions by anyone other than Russia, following a deeply flawed referendum unrecognised by anyone other than Russia. This refers: https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/documents-with-outline-of-donetsk-and-luhansk-1694779024.html Your chum the Leningrad Butcher can stop the fighting immediately, so perhaps you might address your sensitive observations to him. Think he's listening? LOL" Why don't you join the have-a-go army then (International Legionnaires) or are you only willing to see other peoples sons and dads on the frontline where they're being slaughtered by the thousands every week? https://www.ildu.com.ua/how-to-join/ Wish you the best of luck... | |||
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" ...Wish you the best of luck..." Far too old, wouldn't be any use. Happy to engage with noncombatant Russian propagandists, though..  | |||
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"I totally agree with the OP and America clearly demonstrated this fact when they elected a lunatic to be their head of state, very very sad. The lunatics (as you call them) are only given the opportunity to run the asylum when the so called sane people are found to be inadequate! There is no one else... Who ever said that the people who voted for that lunatic were sane? I can assure you that it wasn’t me. It was only 20% of the yanks who were that stupid but it clearly indicates that those who believe in democracy have plenty to worry about. I meant the other politicians were inadequate, not the voters... when there is no worthy politicians to vote for, the snake oil salesmen will step up to the plate to fill the void!" It was the voters who elected this dunce and the responsibility's lies with them and no one else. Harris was not a good opponent but she was not a proven fraudster, sexual deviant, persistent liar nor was she a proven enemy of democracy. In electing this appalling criminal they have proven themselves to indeed be traitors to the free world. | |||
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"A bit off-Piste, but I did mention the fact that the United Nations were ignored by the USA in anything to do with a peace settlement. I am a supporter of the concept of a world organisation to breaker disputes between nations. But with two of the 5 permanent members, The USA and Russia having no respect for the UN, China paying little attention to the UN, which leaves the UK and France, with the help Germany and most of the rest of the Nato countries to support Ukraine. Is it the end of the UN in is current structure? Personally I think it requires a complete overhaul." The UN is one of many organisations founded decades ago that have been left behind in a rapidly changing world. | |||
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"Wouldn't be surprised that trump has agreed to some kind of deal with scummy Putin that involves oil etc. he's only in it for his own benefit and not the world." I have to agree that Putin is scum but he is no worse than criminal Trump, both gangsters. The only difference between them is that Putin knows everything about Trump so obviously holds the whip hand Trump has to obey anything that Putin orders him to do, the American people should hang their heads in shame as they elected this turd into power. The situation facing the world is entirely the fault of the Yanks, fuck every one of them. | |||
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"The end is nigh..... Putin will nuke us all " Why would Putin do such a very silly thing? He has billions invested throughout the planet on which he, his children and grandchildren can live a life of unimaginable luxury for generations. He is certainly a brigand but he is not deranged and will not start a nuclear war, the cost to him personally would be beyond calculation. The criminal Trump who is clearly devoid of even a scrap of intelligence is another matter completely. | |||
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"I totally agree with the OP and America clearly demonstrated this fact when they elected a lunatic to be their head of state, very very sad. The lunatics (as you call them) are only given the opportunity to run the asylum when the so called sane people are found to be inadequate! There is no one else... Who ever said that the people who voted for that lunatic were sane? I can assure you that it wasn’t me. It was only 20% of the yanks who were that stupid but it clearly indicates that those who believe in democracy have plenty to worry about. I meant the other politicians were inadequate, not the voters... when there is no worthy politicians to vote for, the snake oil salesmen will step up to the plate to fill the void! It was the voters who elected this dunce and the responsibility's lies with them and no one else. Harris was not a good opponent but she was not a proven fraudster, sexual deviant, persistent liar nor was she a proven enemy of democracy. In electing this appalling criminal they have proven themselves to indeed be traitors to the free world." The 'same ole same ole" has let the US and the UK electorate down... That's why Trump rules with two terms in the USA and Farage is waiting in the wings in the UK... he has no worthy competition! | |||
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"Trump can’t afford to keep supplying arms to Ukraine, so he has proposed a peace treaty which is unacceptable to Ukraine. When Ukraine rejects it he can say Ukraine is uncooperative and he then has an excuse to stop supplying arms. Objective accomplished and he can blame Ukraine for it all going wrong. Typical Trump strategy." He will then do a trade deal with Ukraine and Russia... prolly better than killing each other! | |||
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" The 'same ole same ole" has let the US and the UK electorate down... That's why Trump rules with two terms in the USA and Farage is waiting in the wings in the UK... he has no worthy competition!" The average village idiot could a better job than Farage. | |||
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" The 'same ole same ole" has let the US and the UK electorate down... That's why Trump rules with two terms in the USA and Farage is waiting in the wings in the UK... he has no worthy competition! The average village idiot could a better job than Farage. " My point exactly... which doesn't say much for the rest, Starmer, Sunak, Johnson, Tish, Cameron! Can you remember the last time we had a PM worthy of the title? When the electorate have to turn to snake oil salesmen like Farage... you know the country is in deep trouble. Still, if nothing else, he might frighten the horses and somebody may then step up to the plate and be a proper PM... | |||
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"Everyone needs to stop relying on usa, cant trust them,get new allies elsewhere" Emmm, good idea, but wait... didn't we have some in the EU..? What happened there! China perhaps...?  | |||
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"Everyone needs to stop relying on usa, cant trust them,get new allies elsewhere Emmm, good idea, but wait... didn't we have some in the EU..? What happened there! China perhaps...? "The UK electric were misled by the lies spread by Farage Johnston &Co and very stupidly voted to leave the EU, and now they are making the same mistake all over again. Starmer has persisted in keeping the UK complicit with Israel in the genocide being visited on the Palastinian civilian population, so should never be trusted in office again. The horrible dilemma now facing the electorate is clear and one can only hope that the lunacy demonstrated by the Yanks is not repeated. | |||
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"Everyone needs to stop relying on usa, cant trust them,get new allies elsewhere Emmm, good idea, but wait... didn't we have some in the EU..? What happened there! China perhaps...?
The UK electric were misled by the lies spread by Farage Johnston &Co and very stupidly voted to leave the EU, and now they are making the same mistake all over again. Starmer has persisted in keeping the UK complicit with Israel in the genocide being visited on the Palastinian civilian population, so should never be trusted in office again. The horrible dilemma now facing the electorate is clear and one can only hope that the lunacy demonstrated by the Yanks is not repeated."EU can't seem to organise the proverbial piss up as far as Ukraine is concerned. | |||
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"EU can't seem to organise the proverbial piss up as far as Ukraine is concerned." To be fair the EU is skating a very thin line given it has Russia on its own borders. Too much overt support for Ukraine (e.g. troops boots on ground) and it's asking for retaliation directly from Putin. Too little and it looks like throwing Ukraine under the bus. Plus you've got varying amounts of expressed support within the bloc itself. | |||
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"Everyone needs to stop relying on usa, cant trust them,get new allies elsewhere Emmm, good idea, but wait... didn't we have some in the EU..? What happened there! China perhaps...? "well uk left eu so.....theres plenty other powerfull countries in the world ,only a fool would do what trump says if you do your as bad as the idiots that voted him in,they may have to put up with him but uk or anyone else should tell him to piss off and mind his own business,he seems to be involved in every conflict going,carribean countries then south america next on his list. | |||
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"Everyone needs to stop relying on usa, cant trust them,get new allies elsewhere Emmm, good idea, but wait... didn't we have some in the EU..? What happened there! China perhaps...?
The UK electric were misled by the lies spread by Farage Johnston &Co and very stupidly voted to leave the EU, and now they are making the same mistake all over again. Starmer has persisted in keeping the UK complicit with Israel in the genocide being visited on the Palastinian civilian population, so should never be trusted in office again. The horrible dilemma now facing the electorate is clear and one can only hope that the lunacy demonstrated by the Yanks is not repeated.
EU can't seem to organise the proverbial piss up as far as Ukraine is concerned."That’s a very brave statement! I’m sure that you are aware that the EU have contributed 124 billion to Ukraine, not like the USA who want repaid for every bullet that they provide. | |||
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"UKRAINE 'LEADERSHIP' HAS EXPRESSED ZERO GRATITUDE FOR OUR EFFORTS". Quote from Trump today in response to the US peace (capitulation) document given to the Ukraine. It's the same as saying you did not thank me for taking my foot off your head. The guy is deranged." The whole world can see that Trump is a deranged criminal, and this capitulation he has asked Ukraine to accept shows he is Putins possession and has no option but to obey his masters orders. This idiot was elected by the American electorate and the responsibility lies squarely on them, and proves that they are indeed traitors to the free world. | |||
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"Trump is the US. president that forced israel palestine ukraine and russua to engage in peace talks and quietened north korea down What did biden or obama do re north korea or ukraine & israel they just kept shelling out bombs bullets and cash And let north korea and iran develope their nuclear weapons Starmer only jumped on the peace talks after trump got the ball rolling same as the rest of the european leaders " My friend, you really do need to educate yourself much better on the reality of who this turd is. I will confine myself to proven facts, Trump stands convicted of 34 charges of fraud, sexual deviancy and the entire world watched him incite the mob to attack the Senate in which 5 people were killed, he is also a draft dodger and has been declared bankrupt on 6 occasions, he is also a proven habitual liar. This wonderful 28 point plan which he has presented to Ukraine which is innocent state invaded by an aggressive bully is simply a capitulation to the bully, you would appear to find that acceptable but most of the free world would not agree. This criminal has also armed Israel in its quest to destroy its Arab civilian neighbours and many Israel leaders have arrest warrants against them for war crimes. I struggle to understand what you find admirable about this dreadful individuals outrageous actions, he has in my opinion made how the OP opened this thread to be totally correct. | |||
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"Trump is the US. president that forced israel palestine ukraine and russua to engage in peace talks and quietened north korea down What did biden or obama do re north korea or ukraine & israel they just kept shelling out bombs bullets and cash And let north korea and iran develope their nuclear weapons Starmer only jumped on the peace talks after trump got the ball rolling same as the rest of the european leaders My friend, you really do need to educate yourself much better on the reality of who this turd is. I will confine myself to proven facts, Trump stands convicted of 34 charges of fraud, sexual deviancy and the entire world watched him incite the mob to attack the Senate in which 5 people were killed, he is also a draft dodger and has been declared bankrupt on 6 occasions, he is also a proven habitual liar. This wonderful 28 point plan which he has presented to Ukraine which is innocent state invaded by an aggressive bully is simply a capitulation to the bully, you would appear to find that acceptable but most of the free world would not agree. This criminal has also armed Israel in its quest to destroy its Arab civilian neighbours and many Israel leaders have arrest warrants against them for war crimes. I struggle to understand what you find admirable about this dreadful individuals outrageous actions, he has in my opinion made how the OP opened this thread to be totally correct." Trump is a criminal, yes, but that has no relevance here. He has presented a list of Russian demands as a ‘peace plan’ yes. But he has got lines of communication open by doing that. That’s the only way to peace. Russia and Ukraine bombing the shit out of each other will never bring peace in the area. So whilst it’s not a guarantee, at least his administration has got the ball rolling. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 21/11/25 19:09:20] The criminal Trump has no option but to obey Putins orders. No one knows what Putin has over the criminal but it must be huge. I have just listened to a reporter who had a copy of what the yanks sent to Ukraine supposedly as a piece plan, it’s just ridiculous advice and could have been written by a 4yo." It is my understanding that Putin/KGB bailed Trump out ones of now twice when he was virtually bankrupt Trump is beholding to Putin hence the Putin favourable terms in Trumps 26 point plan Lets hope that NATO & Europe stand up to both of these blaggards and we manage to avoid WW3 | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 21/11/25 19:09:20] The criminal Trump has no option but to obey Putins orders. No one knows what Putin has over the criminal but it must be huge. I have just listened to a reporter who had a copy of what the yanks sent to Ukraine supposedly as a piece plan, it’s just ridiculous advice and could have been written by a 4yo. It is my understanding that Putin/KGB bailed Trump out ones of now twice when he was virtually bankrupt Trump is beholding to Putin hence the Putin favourable terms in Trumps 26 point plan Lets hope that NATO & Europe stand up to both of these blaggards and we manage to avoid WW3" Trump has been declared bankrupt on 6 occasions and no one doubts that Putin has information on this gangster that would blow him clean out of the water and so has very much the free hand to do whatever he likes. Gangster Trump belongs in jail. | |||
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"Trump is the US. president that forced israel palestine ukraine and russua to engage in peace talks and quietened north korea down What did biden or obama do re north korea or ukraine & israel they just kept shelling out bombs bullets and cash And let north korea and iran develope their nuclear weapons Starmer only jumped on the peace talks after trump got the ball rolling same as the rest of the european leaders My friend, you really do need to educate yourself much better on the reality of who this turd is. I will confine myself to proven facts, Trump stands convicted of 34 charges of fraud, sexual deviancy and the entire world watched him incite the mob to attack the Senate in which 5 people were killed, he is also a draft dodger and has been declared bankrupt on 6 occasions, he is also a proven habitual liar. This wonderful 28 point plan which he has presented to Ukraine which is innocent state invaded by an aggressive bully is simply a capitulation to the bully, you would appear to find that acceptable but most of the free world would not agree. This criminal has also armed Israel in its quest to destroy its Arab civilian neighbours and many Israel leaders have arrest warrants against them for war crimes. I struggle to understand what you find admirable about this dreadful individuals outrageous actions, he has in my opinion made how the OP opened this thread to be totally correct." A few corrections to your “proven facts”. One conviction on 34 counts of fraud. Slightly different to your wording. 5 people were not killed during the attack on the Capitol (not Senate). 1 was killed by police, 4 others died shortly after from natural causes, inc one drug overdose. Many Israeli leaders do not have arrest warrants for war crimes. The correct number is 2. Israel is not in a quest to destroy its Arab neighbours. Which neighbours would those be? I’m no supporter of Trump but you do yourself no favours by deluded TDS and history of anti Americanism. | |||
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"Trump is being lead by the nose by Putin and Netinyahoo. He admires them. He wants to be them. " It's certainly a big and ugly enough nose! 🐽 🐷 | |||
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"Trump is the US. president that forced israel palestine ukraine and russua to engage in peace talks and quietened north korea down What did biden or obama do re north korea or ukraine & israel they just kept shelling out bombs bullets and cash And let north korea and iran develope their nuclear weapons Starmer only jumped on the peace talks after trump got the ball rolling same as the rest of the european leaders My friend, you really do need to educate yourself much better on the reality of who this turd is. I will confine myself to proven facts, Trump stands convicted of 34 charges of fraud, sexual deviancy and the entire world watched him incite the mob to attack the Senate in which 5 people were killed, he is also a draft dodger and has been declared bankrupt on 6 occasions, he is also a proven habitual liar. This wonderful 28 point plan which he has presented to Ukraine which is innocent state invaded by an aggressive bully is simply a capitulation to the bully, you would appear to find that acceptable but most of the free world would not agree. This criminal has also armed Israel in its quest to destroy its Arab civilian neighbours and many Israel leaders have arrest warrants against them for war crimes. I struggle to understand what you find admirable about this dreadful individuals outrageous actions, he has in my opinion made how the OP opened this thread to be totally correct. A few corrections to your “proven facts”. One conviction on 34 counts of fraud. Slightly different to your wording. 5 people were not killed during the attack on the Capitol (not Senate). 1 was killed by police, 4 others died shortly after from natural causes, inc one drug overdose. Many Israeli leaders do not have arrest warrants for war crimes. The correct number is 2. Israel is not in a quest to destroy its Arab neighbours. Which neighbours would those be? I’m no supporter of Trump but you do yourself no favours by deluded TDS and history of anti Americanism." Thank you for correcting what YOU see as errors in my summary of situation now pertaining The criminal Trump was convicted on ALL 34 charges of fraud which he was charged with and that is a proven fact so no apology on that one. 5 people did lose their lives as a direct result of the riot which the criminal Trump incited and that is a proven fact, so no apology I no apology on that. You also attempt to argue that only 2 members of the Isreal gov have arrest warrants for war crimes, well more than 1 does indeed equate to many so once again that is a proven fact and nothing for me to apologise for. I am shocked that you enquire what Arab civilian people that the butchers who are Israel is attempting to eliminate, then ask any human being on the planet and you will get the same answer, but just for you it’s the people of PALESTINE. I have to be fair and I do admit that I did refer to The Capital as the Senate and for that for that grievous error I humbly apologise to anyone who was unable to understand my meaning, if any such person can be found. | |||
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"You lot should really do your research,when nato was formed,every nation that joined signed an agreement saying they would never advance further east than rammstein germany,they are now a 1000 miles further east than that,all putin dosnt want is nato on his border,not to much to ask really is it,and how trust worthy does that make all the nato members and nations" I was just about to give up hope of a sane comment when I saw yours. Some of these people are obviously unable to think beyond the utter shyte and propaganda spewed by the MSN. No consideration of what has been agreed and how Putin was deliberately goaded into the war with Ukraine by NATO and the EU. Since the demise of the Soviet Union every former member country has been swallowed up by the EU, whether or not they met the stringent financial requirements, which many didn't. All that was required was a neutral zone between Russia and the NATO countries, which is obviously Ukraine. Setting up an agreement by NATO to protect Ukraine in the event of conflict with Russia was the way to go but that didn't suit the warmongers. Billions have been siphoned off by Zelinsky and the Biden crime family along the way and on goes the war relentlessly. | |||
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"You lot should really do your research,when nato was formed,every nation that joined signed an agreement saying they would never advance further east than rammstein germany,they are now a 1000 miles further east than that,all putin dosnt want is nato on his border,not to much to ask really is it,and how trust worthy does that make all the nato members and nations I was just about to give up hope of a sane comment when I saw yours. Some of these people are obviously unable to think beyond the utter shyte and propaganda spewed by the MSN. No consideration of what has been agreed and how Putin was deliberately goaded into the war with Ukraine by NATO and the EU. Since the demise of the Soviet Union every former member country has been swallowed up by the EU, whether or not they met the stringent financial requirements, which many didn't. All that was required was a neutral zone between Russia and the NATO countries, which is obviously Ukraine. Setting up an agreement by NATO to protect Ukraine in the event of conflict with Russia was the way to go but that didn't suit the warmongers. Billions have been siphoned off by Zelinsky and the Biden crime family along the way and on goes the war relentlessly. " The above message as Trump would say is Fake News. If you can prove your ridiculous accusations? The land of unsocial media does not count, Walt Disneys Mickey Mouse could have come up with a more credible story, than yours. Shame on you. | |||
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"You lot should really do your research,when nato was formed,every nation that joined signed an agreement saying they would never advance further east than rammstein germany,they are now a 1000 miles further east than that,all putin dosnt want is nato on his border,not to much to ask really is it,and how trust worthy does that make all the nato members and nations I was just about to give up hope of a sane comment when I saw yours. Some of these people are obviously unable to think beyond the utter shyte and propaganda spewed by the MSN. No consideration of what has been agreed and how Putin was deliberately goaded into the war with Ukraine by NATO and the EU. Since the demise of the Soviet Union every former member country has been swallowed up by the EU, whether or not they met the stringent financial requirements, which many didn't. All that was required was a neutral zone between Russia and the NATO countries, which is obviously Ukraine. Setting up an agreement by NATO to protect Ukraine in the event of conflict with Russia was the way to go but that didn't suit the warmongers. Billions have been siphoned off by Zelinsky and the Biden crime family along the way and on goes the war relentlessly. " They weren't swallowed up by the eu, they joined of their own free will. Why shouldn't nato have weapons on the russian border, russia has weapons there. Russia still invaded a sovereign nation, what ever provocation you seem to think they had, they still started a war on innocent people. | |||
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"Trump is the US. president that forced israel palestine ukraine and russua to engage in peace talks and quietened north korea down What did biden or obama do re north korea or ukraine & israel they just kept shelling out bombs bullets and cash And let north korea and iran develope their nuclear weapons Starmer only jumped on the peace talks after trump got the ball rolling same as the rest of the european leaders " Trump stopped the peace accord with Iran where they were not allowed to process uranium. | |||
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"Trump stopped the first world war,and he was only a six year old boy at the time. " Did criminal Trump give you that information? Sounds like something that half wit would dream up and he would expect the dunces who voted for him to believe it 😂😂😂 | |||
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"If trump (or Farage) were being paid or bl@ckmailed by Russia, What would they have done differently? " I dont know, perhaps you have an insite to Trump and Farage minds. | |||
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"The USA so called peace prosal , given to the Ukraine and Russia, apparently with out agreement from either party. Nor with any regard to the United Nations. From the heading, I have shown my feelings. I will had one more before you lot can voice your opinions. If the Ukraine capitulate, NATO and the UN are finished, world war 3 will be inevitable. " Read the book 1983 and it might put your mind at ease. This brinksmanship has, and always will, happen. We're always a breath away from annihilation, try to enjoy the ride. | |||
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"The USA so called peace prosal , given to the Ukraine and Russia, apparently with out agreement from either party. Nor with any regard to the United Nations. From the heading, I have shown my feelings. I will had one more before you lot can voice your opinions. If the Ukraine capitulate, NATO and the UN are finished, world war 3 will be inevitable. " Absolute uneducated hyperbole. | |||
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"Looks like Volod & his conflict-profiteering overlords have to choose between Donnie's art of the deal or cling on in desperation to Europe's fart of denial. The Euro sabre-rattling coalition claims to be willing, but is woefully unable to follow through on anything significant without America's support. America is clearly tired of having to fund & supply Ukraine, which obviously cannot unilaterally defeat uber-belligerent Russia, in this Eastern European war. " Every item that America supplies to Ukraine is charged to the Ukrainian people and the Yanks will expect to be repaid, the UK finished repaying America for WW2 in 2006. These bastards give nothing away. Trump should be worrying about Alaska which is only 55 mls from Russia and could easily be next on Putins list of objectives. Especially with his own monkey swanking about pretending to be in charge 😂😂😂 | |||
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"Looks like Volod & his conflict-profiteering overlords have to choose between Donnie's art of the deal or cling on in desperation to Europe's fart of denial. The Euro sabre-rattling coalition claims to be willing, but is woefully unable to follow through on anything significant without America's support. America is clearly tired of having to fund & supply Ukraine, which obviously cannot unilaterally defeat uber-belligerent Russia, in this Eastern European war. Every item that America supplies to Ukraine is charged to the Ukrainian people and the Yanks will expect to be repaid, the UK finished repaying America for WW2 in 2006. These bastards give nothing away. Trump should be worrying about Alaska which is only 55 mls from Russia and could easily be next on Putins list of objectives. Especially with his own monkey swanking about pretending to be in charge 😂😂😂 " 'Putin Targets Alaska' ... LOL You're plucking from very thin air there Shirty ... An especially rarefied version of creative reality who's stretch splutters out with a stifled gasp. | |||
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"Looks like Volod & his conflict-profiteering overlords have to choose between Donnie's art of the deal or cling on in desperation to Europe's fart of denial. The Euro sabre-rattling coalition claims to be willing, but is woefully unable to follow through on anything significant without America's support. America is clearly tired of having to fund & supply Ukraine, which obviously cannot unilaterally defeat uber-belligerent Russia, in this Eastern European war. Every item that America supplies to Ukraine is charged to the Ukrainian people and the Yanks will expect to be repaid, the UK finished repaying America for WW2 in 2006. These bastards give nothing away. Trump should be worrying about Alaska which is only 55 mls from Russia and could easily be next on Putins list of objectives. Especially with his own monkey swanking about pretending to be in charge 😂😂😂 'Putin Targets Alaska' ... LOL You're plucking from very thin air there Shirty ... An especially rarefied version of creative reality who's stretch splutters out with a stifled gasp. " I fail to see what you find amusing in seeing this as a real possibility. Humpy Pumpy will offer no opposition, he will do exactly what Putin orders him to do. I certainly believe it’s what the Yanks deserve. | |||
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"Looks like Volod & his conflict-profiteering overlords have to choose between Donnie's art of the deal or cling on in desperation to Europe's fart of denial. The Euro sabre-rattling coalition claims to be willing, but is woefully unable to follow through on anything significant without America's support. America is clearly tired of having to fund & supply Ukraine, which obviously cannot unilaterally defeat uber-belligerent Russia, in this Eastern European war. Every item that America supplies to Ukraine is charged to the Ukrainian people and the Yanks will expect to be repaid, the UK finished repaying America for WW2 in 2006. These bastards give nothing away. Trump should be worrying about Alaska which is only 55 mls from Russia and could easily be next on Putins list of objectives. Especially with his own monkey swanking about pretending to be in charge 😂😂😂 'Putin Targets Alaska' ... LOL You're plucking from very thin air there Shirty ... An especially rarefied version of creative reality who's stretch splutters out with a stifled gasp. I fail to see what you find amusing in seeing this as a real possibility. Humpy Pumpy will offer no opposition, he will do exactly what Putin orders him to do. I certainly believe it’s what the Yanks deserve." For someone with no sense of humour ... you're unintentionally hilarious.... Keep em coming Shirty | |||
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"Looks like Volod & his conflict-profiteering overlords have to choose between Donnie's art of the deal or cling on in desperation to Europe's fart of denial. The Euro sabre-rattling coalition claims to be willing, but is woefully unable to follow through on anything significant without America's support. America is clearly tired of having to fund & supply Ukraine, which obviously cannot unilaterally defeat uber-belligerent Russia, in this Eastern European war. Every item that America supplies to Ukraine is charged to the Ukrainian people and the Yanks will expect to be repaid, the UK finished repaying America for WW2 in 2006. These bastards give nothing away. Trump should be worrying about Alaska which is only 55 mls from Russia and could easily be next on Putins list of objectives. Especially with his own monkey swanking about pretending to be in charge 😂😂😂 'Putin Targets Alaska' ... LOL You're plucking from very thin air there Shirty ... An especially rarefied version of creative reality who's stretch splutters out with a stifled gasp. I fail to see what you find amusing in seeing this as a real possibility. Humpy Pumpy will offer no opposition, he will do exactly what Putin orders him to do. I certainly believe it’s what the Yanks deserve. For someone with no sense of humour ... you're unintentionally hilarious.... Keep em coming Shirty "You know absolutely nothing about me, so please keep your your personal attacks to yourself. I believe that the OP posted this thread for serious consideration and I will treat it as such. | |||
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"Looks like Volod & his conflict-profiteering overlords have to choose between Donnie's art of the deal or cling on in desperation to Europe's fart of denial. The Euro sabre-rattling coalition claims to be willing, but is woefully unable to follow through on anything significant without America's support. America is clearly tired of having to fund & supply Ukraine, which obviously cannot unilaterally defeat uber-belligerent Russia, in this Eastern European war. Every item that America supplies to Ukraine is charged to the Ukrainian people and the Yanks will expect to be repaid, the UK finished repaying America for WW2 in 2006. These bastards give nothing away. Trump should be worrying about Alaska which is only 55 mls from Russia and could easily be next on Putins list of objectives. Especially with his own monkey swanking about pretending to be in charge 😂😂😂 'Putin Targets Alaska' ... LOL You're plucking from very thin air there Shirty ... An especially rarefied version of creative reality who's stretch splutters out with a stifled gasp. I fail to see what you find amusing in seeing this as a real possibility. Humpy Pumpy will offer no opposition, he will do exactly what Putin orders him to do. I certainly believe it’s what the Yanks deserve. For someone with no sense of humour ... you're unintentionally hilarious.... Keep em coming Shirty
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"Ironic the USA is negotiating a peace deal when they were responsible for starting it in the first place " Exactly so, the USA are basically attempting to force Ukraine to surrender to the aggressor or they will withdraw support, totally disgraceful but very predictable as the criminal is clearly under Putins control. What would the world give to know what Putin has on this dunce? The Epstein files if they are not redacted might well put this turd into jail where he belongs. | |||
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"Ironic the USA is negotiating a peace deal when they were responsible for starting it in the first place " So the USA ordered Russia to invade Ukraine? Must have missed that. Of course it was during senile old Joe's watch so possible. | |||
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"Seems its a surrender deal proposed by putin and tabled by trump, not a peace deal at all, i hope there is enough support for ukraine to stand up to it without usa,otherwise they are in for a very insecure future,as is europe." Europe has witnessed Russia’s expansionist intent for more than 3 years, so have had time to prepare to face Russia down and tell the Yanks to fo back the corrupt shit-hole they seem to be happy in. | |||
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"Ironic the USA is negotiating a peace deal when they were responsible for starting it in the first place Where do people get this bullshit from? "I think most people can read and do. | |||
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"The USA so called peace prosal , given to the Ukraine and Russia, apparently with out agreement from either party. Nor with any regard to the United Nations. From the heading, I have shown my feelings. I will had one more before you lot can voice your opinions. If the Ukraine capitulate, NATO and the UN are finished, world war 3 will be inevitable. " Oh please.....  | |||
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"Not the entire USA but certainly the capitulator in chief trying to hide the pics of him blowing bubba. " What do you know about these infamous pics? | |||
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"Ironic the USA is negotiating a peace deal when they were responsible for starting it in the first place Where do people get this bullshit from? "Well, these fantastical theories manifest and are passed around within the flatulently gaseous bubbles of the Trump Derangement Syndrome support group meetings ... Often as part of a montage during their daily Two Minutes Hate period. I wouldn't be too harsh on the poor deluded & intellectually disadvantaged darlings ... From a purely humanitarian aspect, they are more deserving of pity than scorn. | |||
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"I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the vast majority of contributors to this post for recognising the danger to world that the criminal Trump represents and how he has indeed made the USA an enemy of the free world, and who have the courage to agree with the OP. The total stupidity exhibited by the few who persist in supporting this convicted fraudster, sex deviant, persistent liar, draft dodging enemy of democracy and 6 times bankrupt dunce who really need to be ashamed." Slow . . . Hand . . . Clap | |||
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"We’re already in world war 3 government need to go king queen needs to be the law I believe they are traitors so are other country." Idiotic | |||
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"We’re already in world war 3 government need to go king queen needs to be the law I believe they are traitors so are other country." If you're not on drugs you should be. | |||
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"We’re already in world war 3 government need to go king queen needs to be the law I believe they are traitors so are other country." Could you expand on your radical theory/plans? | |||
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"I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the vast majority of contributors to this post for recognising the danger to world that the criminal Trump represents and how he has indeed made the USA an enemy of the free world, and who have the courage to agree with the OP. The total stupidity exhibited by the few who persist in supporting this convicted fraudster, sex deviant, persistent liar, draft dodging enemy of democracy and 6 times bankrupt dunce who really need to be ashamed." Maybe focus your obsession on say... Xi Jinping (China), Vladimir Putin (Russia), Kim Jong Un (North Korea), Alexander Lukashenko (Belarus), Bashar al-Assad (Syria), Isaias Afwerki (Eritrea), Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea), Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Iran), Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (Egypt), Paul Biya (Cameroon). Mullah Hibatullah Akhundzada (Supreme leader of the Afghans) Ramdan Kadyrov (Chechen Republic) But I appreciate this 'great bunch of lads'... fucking choir boys that they are - dont come close to the fear you have of the orange terror. | |||
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"I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the vast majority of contributors to this post for recognising the danger to world that the criminal Trump represents and how he has indeed made the USA an enemy of the free world, and who have the courage to agree with the OP. The total stupidity exhibited by the few who persist in supporting this convicted fraudster, sex deviant, persistent liar, draft dodging enemy of democracy and 6 times bankrupt dunce who really need to be ashamed. Maybe focus your obsession on say... Xi Jinping (China), Vladimir Putin (Russia), Kim Jong Un (North Korea), Alexander Lukashenko (Belarus), Bashar al-Assad (Syria), Isaias Afwerki (Eritrea), Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea), Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Iran), Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (Egypt), Paul Biya (Cameroon). Mullah Hibatullah Akhundzada (Supreme leader of the Afghans) Ramdan Kadyrov (Chechen Republic) But I appreciate this 'great bunch of lads'... fucking choir boys that they are - dont come close to the fear you have of the orange terror. " I am pleased that you see these people as being a “great bunch of lads”. Not an opinion that I share with you but who you decide to admire is your business. You did forget to include Mr Trump in that list of unsavoury individuals and his criminal record certainly qualifies him. | |||
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"I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the vast majority of contributors to this post for recognising the danger to world that the criminal Trump represents and how he has indeed made the USA an enemy of the free world, and who have the courage to agree with the OP. The total stupidity exhibited by the few who persist in supporting this convicted fraudster, sex deviant, persistent liar, draft dodging enemy of democracy and 6 times bankrupt dunce who really need to be ashamed. Maybe focus your obsession on say... Xi Jinping (China), Vladimir Putin (Russia), Kim Jong Un (North Korea), Alexander Lukashenko (Belarus), Bashar al-Assad (Syria), Isaias Afwerki (Eritrea), Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea), Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Iran), Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (Egypt), Paul Biya (Cameroon). Mullah Hibatullah Akhundzada (Supreme leader of the Afghans) Ramdan Kadyrov (Chechen Republic) But I appreciate this 'great bunch of lads'... fucking choir boys that they are - dont come close to the fear you have of the orange terror. I am pleased that you see these people as being a “great bunch of lads”. Not an opinion that I share with you but who you decide to admire is your business. You did forget to include Mr Trump in that list of unsavoury individuals and his criminal record certainly qualifies him." Truly you portray all the hallmarks of a gold plated simpleton. Congratulations sir. | |||
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"I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the vast majority of contributors to this post for recognising the danger to world that the criminal Trump represents and how he has indeed made the USA an enemy of the free world, and who have the courage to agree with the OP. The total stupidity exhibited by the few who persist in supporting this convicted fraudster, sex deviant, persistent liar, draft dodging enemy of democracy and 6 times bankrupt dunce who really need to be ashamed. Maybe focus your obsession on say... Xi Jinping (China), Vladimir Putin (Russia), Kim Jong Un (North Korea), Alexander Lukashenko (Belarus), Bashar al-Assad (Syria), Isaias Afwerki (Eritrea), Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea), Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Iran), Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (Egypt), Paul Biya (Cameroon). Mullah Hibatullah Akhundzada (Supreme leader of the Afghans) Ramdan Kadyrov (Chechen Republic) But I appreciate this 'great bunch of lads'... fucking choir boys that they are - dont come close to the fear you have of the orange terror. I am pleased that you see these people as being a “great bunch of lads”. Not an opinion that I share with you but who you decide to admire is your business. You did forget to include Mr Trump in that list of unsavoury individuals and his criminal record certainly qualifies him. Truly you portray all the hallmarks of a gold plated simpleton. Congratulations sir." Once again you choose to ignore the subject of this post and resort to making a personal attack on someone who holds a different opinion to yours and who is very willing to defend it, while you are demonstrably not. Good manners cost nothing is very true and you would be well advised to keep that in mind. | |||
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"This thread has a certain comedy value with all the nonsense being spouted." It has been good for a chortle, hasn't it
Visions of seething puffed-up cockerals crowing with strained indignation atop steaming great dung-heaps of their own making.
It's been a wonderful display of po-faced pontification that never fails to elicit spontaneous giggles.
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"This thread has a certain comedy value with all the nonsense being spouted. It has been good for a chortle, hasn't it
Visions of seething puffed-up cockerals crowing with strained indignation atop steaming great dung-heaps of their own making.
It's been a wonderful display of po-faced pontification that never fails to elicit spontaneous giggles.
"I am interested to know the reasons why you both are criticising others, that have contrbuted to the discussion? Everyone has a right to express their opinion on the question being asked. Unfortunately you have both chosen not to provide anything useful to the discussion, instead just make discouraging remakes on all participants. I trust you both count yourselves in the same way that you count the rest of us. | |||
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"I was held up slightly by those who dont want to add constructive points to the discussion. Putin today has basically refused any talks with the Ukraine. So it looks like the USA proposal is dead in the water, for the moment." Well done op in drawing attention to members who contribute zero to this post but continue to hurl abuse at those who do. Nothing that the criminal does surprises me, and I doubt anyone believed that America’s proposed capitulation which they expected Ukrain to accept is dead in the water. It was ever just another example of Humpy’s extreme stupidity. What is required is for Europe to find some balls and send there army’s to properly support Ukraine in this war against the aggressor. I am old enough to have known plenty of Tommy’s who fought with the Yanks in WW2 and I can assure you that none of them had a high opinion of them. | |||
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"This thread has a certain comedy value with all the nonsense being spouted. It has been good for a chortle, hasn't it
Visions of seething puffed-up cockerals crowing with strained indignation atop steaming great dung-heaps of their own making.
It's been a wonderful display of po-faced pontification that never fails to elicit spontaneous giggles.
I am interested to know the
reasons why you both are criticising others, that have contrbuted to the discussion?
Everyone has a right to express their opinion on the question being asked.
Unfortunately you have both chosen not to provide anything useful to the discussion, instead just make discouraging remakes on all participants.
I trust you both count yourselves in the same way that you count the rest of us."Who have I criticised exactly? Who is above criticism anyway? And why are you only in favour of opinions that match your own? Ridiculous statements are open to ridicule ... It's all part of the cut and thrust of grown-up discourse. So you might want to try lightening up and lose the censorial attitude. You really should have nothing to fear from being exposed to opinions that may differ from your own ... once you accept that not everyone is going to agree with you on any given matter, and that's ok ... Then it's far easier to relax in the lounge. | |||
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"There's not an ounce of accuracy or sense in this thread and most of the so called political topics on this site. Just posturing from a particular political wing without any real knowledge. Received so called wisdom masquerading as informed opinion." You have the same liberty to voice your opinion as any one else, so please do so. | |||
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"There's not an ounce of accuracy or sense in this thread and most of the so called political topics on this site. Just posturing from a particular political wing without any real knowledge. Received so called wisdom masquerading as informed opinion. You have the same liberty to voice your opinion as any one else, so please do so." He just did Shirty ... Quite concisely | |||
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