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By *acingfan OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Huddersfield

So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

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The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Milton Keynes

I’m not expecting much tbh

But

The rumours are started by opposing parties to make themselves look better than they are !

Truth is there all as turncoat shitbags as each other

I don’t think we will ever get a government that will work for the British taxpayer!

To much ego and self interest involved with the politicians!

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading

Our larping Chancellor has the very opposite of a Midas touch ... The woman is worse than useless and way out of her obviously limited depth.

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By *oekristansenTV/TS
4 weeks ago

haslemere


"Our larping Chancellor has the very opposite of a Midas touch ... The woman is worse than useless and way out of her obviously limited depth."

Yeah what we really need is the genius of a Truss or the masterminds at Kent County Council. Or the smartness of Rishi eating out to spread it about.

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By *estwillMan
4 weeks ago

Bracknell

Let's cut benefits.

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By *oekristansenTV/TS
4 weeks ago

haslemere


"Let's cut benefits."

Let’s make Amazon and Meta and Google actually pay some tax. Let’s tax the higher rate at an increased percentages. Those are ‘difficult choices’ a government squeezing the middle (yet again) and passing it off as a tough choice is so 2000’s

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By *wladMan
4 weeks ago

high wycombe

We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock

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By *acingfan OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Huddersfield


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock "
I think that people that have worked 40+ years and paid in would argue with that. There are plenty of other ways for savings to be made.

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By *ello 1000Man
4 weeks ago

Lincolnshire


"Let's cut benefits."

Friend of mine used to say the same until he got a life changing illness and was unable to work again ,,, he doesn't say it now

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By *inimee1Man
4 weeks ago

near


"Let's cut benefits.

Friend of mine used to say the same until he got a life changing illness and was unable to work again ,,, he doesn't say it now "

A genuine case but that’s not where 40% of benefit goes

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By *ello 1000Man
4 weeks ago

Lincolnshire


"Let's cut benefits.

Friend of mine used to say the same until he got a life changing illness and was unable to work again ,,, he doesn't say it now

A genuine case but that’s not where 40% of benefit goes"

So you want someone who gets my friends condition to get less money to live on than he does ?

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By *ello 1000Man
4 weeks ago

Lincolnshire


"Let's cut benefits.

Friend of mine used to say the same until he got a life changing illness and was unable to work again ,,, he doesn't say it now

A genuine case but that’s not where 40% of benefit goes"

Don't understand what you mean by the figure 40% ,, to what does it refer and could you supply the source ,,, thankyou

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By *ucksitupMan
4 weeks ago

Shrewsbury


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

"

It’s an old tactic.

Put out rumours that it will be terrible. Then when it’s just bad we all breathe a sigh of relief that it could have been worse. We have still been fucked but with 8 inches not 12.

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By *opeye_DoyleMan
4 weeks ago

Crawley


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

It’s an old tactic.

Put out rumours that it will be terrible. Then when it’s just bad we all breathe a sigh of relief that it could have been worse. We have still been fucked but with 8 inches not 12. "

Exactly this

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By *essa_MTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Red Rose County


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage."

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over

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By *indickMan
4 weeks ago

South Devon


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over"

Exactly this - Covid mgmt, Brexshit & the Truss crash etc it's got us where we are now. Turning us into UK Ltd ran by the people who got us here to 'sort it out'? it makes the current gvmt look like a viable option, which it isn't

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By *ocbigMan
4 weeks ago

Birmingham


"Let's cut benefits.

Let’s make Amazon and Meta and Google actually pay some tax. Let’s tax the higher rate at an increased percentages. Those are ‘difficult choices’ a government squeezing the middle (yet again) and passing it off as a tough choice is so 2000’s "

My thoughts exactly…all the talk of a wealth tax…which I don’t have a particular problem with, but why focus on high value individuals when large/huge multinationals are paying paltry amounts of tax, or paying such low pay rates that government is paying in work benefits which in effect subsidises their profits. High net worth individuals may well upsticks & move out of the country with possible lower tax take….or less tax avoidance, a different discussion, does anyone think that these companies will leave the UK and all that profit because tax _aws were tightened?

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By *lexieMan
4 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton


"Let's cut benefits."

... and give more money to the stinking rich! That's the way to do it! Simples...

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By *ildwestheroMan
4 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

Budgets tend to be controversial. Always winners and losers. Got a nasty feeling that there is going to be more losers that winners with this inept chancellor. Bracing myself for having to pay more tax either directly or indirectly.

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By *ocbigMan
4 weeks ago

Birmingham


"Budgets tend to be controversial. Always winners and losers. Got a nasty feeling that there is going to be more losers that winners with this inept chancellor. Bracing myself for having to pay more tax either directly or indirectly. "

After all the fuss and nonsense over the last few weeks it will be a relief for it all to be over… in all the years I always feel whoever is in power, they give with one hand and take with another…since budgets used to be a one day affair once a year in March.

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere

My biggest fear is for what will happen to council tax. It is completely wrong to tax someone simply on the value of the house theyive in, without knowing anything about their income or expenditure.

Why is it that 4 working adults living in a band B house should pay less council tax than one retired adult living in a band E house?

Every politician knows this is wrong and unfair. Yet any changes that come will simply target the higher bands ... and raise very little by doing so.

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By *immy48Man
4 weeks ago

Sheerness

Stealth taxes everywhere it's what labour do and leave the working class worse off thinking by that taxing the rich makes sense when ineffective and counter productive, it just means higher prices for everything as costs get passed down and less hiring of staff so unemployment goes up coz not hiring ,benefit claims go up coz of job shortages the incentive is lost to strive if a business might as well employ 6 pay overtime but then union funded labour couldn't survive

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By *tar33Man
4 weeks ago

North London (outer)


"My biggest fear is for what will happen to council tax. It is completely wrong to tax someone simply on the value of the house theyive in, without knowing anything about their income or expenditure.

Why is it that 4 working adults living in a band B house should pay less council tax than one retired adult living in a band E house?

Every politician knows this is wrong and unfair. Yet any changes that come will simply target the higher bands ... and raise very little by doing so."

I agree. Poll tax was the fairest solution but we know what happened there. Mrs Thatcher should have stood her ground a little more.

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By *athCDTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Morpeth


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

It’s an old tactic. It's called kite flying

Put out rumours that it will be terrible. Then when it’s just bad we all breathe a sigh of relief that it could have been worse. We have still been fucked but with 8 inches not 12. "

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By *lue555Man
4 weeks ago

harrow


"Let's cut benefits.

Friend of mine used to say the same until he got a life changing illness and was unable to work again ,,, he doesn't say it now

A genuine case but that’s not where 40% of benefit goes

Don't understand what you mean by the figure 40% ,, to what does it refer and could you supply the source ,,, thankyou

"

I work with people that used to work full time cut their hours to like 18 hours to get their rent paid for.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester

I'm hoping for an old school budget.

5p on a packet of fags, and 2p on a pint of beer.

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere


"I'm hoping for an old school budget.

5p on a packet of fags, and 2p on a pint of beer. "

And queues of cars going to fill up because they put a penny on fuel duty.

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By *wansmickMan
4 weeks ago

Belfast

Britain doesn't have a major Party worth voting for :-

Tories are far right wankers

Labour are right of centre wankers ( while Starmer is there)

Reform are racist, fascist wankers

What a feckin choice 💩,💩 or 💩.

God help us.

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By *arlojoeMan
4 weeks ago

darlington


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock "
What do you expect pensioners to live on?

There is a surplus in the money available for pensioners, but it suits the Govmnts narrative to castigated pensioners.

Simple idea, tax benefits as per the rest of us. Tax Motability cars also.

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By *itherneitherTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Burnham on sea

Its utter theatre.

They leak horror stories like income tax going up 3% or something, then when it "only" goes up by 1%, theres a sense of relief

Or they will leak an idea, to see what the response is.

Its immaterial anyway.

The way things are going the IMF will be imposing the real budget nexy year or so anyway.

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock What do you expect pensioners to live on?

There is a surplus in the money available for pensioners, but it suits the Govmnts narrative to castigated pensioners.

Simple idea, tax benefits as per the rest of us. Tax Motability cars also."

Benefits are taxed and motability is paid for from pip to a private business.

All these comments, not just yours, are blanket ideas. One section of society as a whole without thinking that there are differences that need to be taken into account.

Being a taxpayer is just a transactional relationship with the government, you pay, you receive services in return. It's individual to how you view those services but they are there and available.

The government is not just for one sector in society, it has to serve 68m people, what is good for one is not good for another. It won't matter whether you are a misogynist and think the chancellor is not qualified because of her sex or whether you're the furthest left, liberal lunatic in the country.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"Its utter theatre.

They leak horror stories like income tax going up 3% or something, then when it "only" goes up by 1%, theres a sense of relief

Or they will leak an idea, to see what the response is.

Its immaterial anyway.

The way things are going the IMF will be imposing the real budget nexy year or so anyway."

That isn't so bad, maybe the settees could be better.

Wait. That's MFI not IMF

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By *ello 1000Man
4 weeks ago

Lincolnshire


"Its utter theatre.

They leak horror stories like income tax going up 3% or something, then when it "only" goes up by 1%, theres a sense of relief

Or they will leak an idea, to see what the response is.

Its immaterial anyway.

The way things are going the IMF will be imposing the real budget nexy year or so anyway.

That isn't so bad, maybe the settees could be better.

Wait. That's MFI not IMF "

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By *ad Bod ManMan
4 weeks ago

Gloucester


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock What do you expect pensioners to live on?

There is a surplus in the money available for pensioners, but it suits the Govmnts narrative to castigated pensioners.

Simple idea, tax benefits as per the rest of us. Tax Motability cars also.

Benefits are taxed and motability is paid for from pip to a private business.

All these comments, not just yours, are blanket ideas. One section of society as a whole without thinking that there are differences that need to be taken into account.

Being a taxpayer is just a transactional relationship with the government, you pay, you receive services in return. It's individual to how you view those services but they are there and available.

The government is not just for one sector in society, it has to serve 68m people, what is good for one is not good for another. It won't matter whether you are a misogynist and think the chancellor is not qualified because of her sex or whether you're the furthest left, liberal lunatic in the country. "

This!

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By *eterpiperMan
4 weeks ago

fife

Should not even consider changing the two child benefit. Enough spongers in the system already. If you can't afford children, don't have them, the money probably won't get spent on the kids anyway. And it just encourages more migrants to come over, knowing they can breed like rabbits when they get here.

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"Should not even consider changing the two child benefit. Enough spongers in the system already. If you can't afford children, don't have them, the money probably won't get spent on the kids anyway. And it just encourages more migrants to come over, knowing they can breed like rabbits when they get here."

Another uneducated or wilfully ignorant person. Not since 2015 have people who arrive in this country been entitled or able to make claims in the welfare state. They do however contribute more towards the nhs as part of their visa application, their general taxation and contributions to society as a whole.

As for the "can't afford to have kids" attitude, I thought your side was terrified of a take over by brown people???? Which is it? More babies or a take over?

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By *amme!Man
4 weeks ago

on my travels!


"Britain doesn't have a major Party worth voting for :-

Tories are far right wankers

Labour are right of centre wankers ( while Starmer is there)

Reform are racist, fascist wankers

What a feckin choice 💩,💩 or 💩.

God help us."

Agreed! Unfortunately for the country.

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By *hubbyGinger76Man
4 weeks ago

Halesowen

Yet another chance missed to fix couples taxation.

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By *aremanMan
4 weeks ago

Hingham

For the record, I will vote for any party promising to try Reeves for treason.

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By *tagman6930Man
4 weeks ago

SW London

One measure I think was a missed opportunity which was tax free packages under £135 not being taxed until 2029. Mostly Chinese retailers take advantage of this selling to UK public online and literally millions of packages come in the UK from China with no VAT, no customs duty being paid making UK retailers even more uncompetitive.

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"For the record, I will vote for any party promising to try Reeves for treason."

Bit dramatic don't you think?!?

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

Basically we’re all fucked!

Reeves is fucking useless!

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"Basically we’re all fucked!

Reeves is fucking useless!"

Which part of the budget has fucked you or us?

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago


"Basically we’re all fucked!

Reeves is fucking useless!

Which part of the budget has fucked you or us? "

Tax going up, electric car tax at 3p a mile, let’s see what happens to energy bills, can you see them coming down? Just going up from next near with the price cap.

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"Basically we’re all fucked!

Reeves is fucking useless!

Which part of the budget has fucked you or us?

Tax going up, electric car tax at 3p a mile, let’s see what happens to energy bills, can you see them coming down? Just going up from next near with the price cap."

When is tax going up?

Electric cars use the roads, VED is paid to pay for the upkeep.

Energy bills are always going to rise, it's costing more to extract and theres the risk of hundreds of billions in investment being wiped out by a frog faced belgian and dubai resident.

So again, where have you or I been fucked?

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago


"Basically we’re all fucked!

Reeves is fucking useless!

Which part of the budget has fucked you or us?

Tax going up, electric car tax at 3p a mile, let’s see what happens to energy bills, can you see them coming down? Just going up from next near with the price cap.

When is tax going up?

Electric cars use the roads, VED is paid to pay for the upkeep.

Energy bills are always going to rise, it's costing more to extract and theres the risk of hundreds of billions in investment being wiped out by a frog faced belgian and dubai resident.

So again, where have you or I been fucked? "

We’ve bee told to buy electric cars because of the environment and it’s good for us, then given a subsidy and then they are putting 3p a mile on us, this subsidy’s are a waste of ducking money because now I can’t see many electric cars being sold, sales will be down in the UK, manufacturing will be hit and that means less growth, it’s all connected ffs.

The threshold has been held which means about 1.7 million more people pay tax and I am assuming you pay take so possibly that you! Should I go on!

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"Basically we’re all fucked!

Reeves is fucking useless!

Which part of the budget has fucked you or us?

Tax going up, electric car tax at 3p a mile, let’s see what happens to energy bills, can you see them coming down? Just going up from next near with the price cap.

When is tax going up?

Electric cars use the roads, VED is paid to pay for the upkeep.

Energy bills are always going to rise, it's costing more to extract and theres the risk of hundreds of billions in investment being wiped out by a frog faced belgian and dubai resident.

So again, where have you or I been fucked?

We’ve bee told to buy electric cars because of the environment and it’s good for us, then given a subsidy and then they are putting 3p a mile on us, this subsidy’s are a waste of ducking money because now I can’t see many electric cars being sold, sales will be down in the UK, manufacturing will be hit and that means less growth, it’s all connected ffs.

The threshold has been held which means about 1.7 million more people pay tax and I am assuming you pay take so possibly that you! Should I go on! "

Again, they use the roads. They should pay to use them and maintain them. Why should people who don't have electric vehicles pay for tesla drivers (other manufacturers available) to sit in services with their polos and raybans for free? The government subsidises the installation of charging points.

Yes, more people paying tax is a good thing for the country not a bad thing. It means public finances are boosted and therefore, more services will be funded. How is that fucking you or I??

You can go on, I'm sure you'll go on and on and on about how terrible it is but the reality is it could have been a lot worse.

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By *aremanMan
4 weeks ago

Hingham


"For the record, I will vote for any party promising to try Reeves for treason.

Bit dramatic don't you think?!? "

I don't. Make an example of her *pour encourager les autres*

Russia is simply waiting for Trump to give him Ukraine. Then he'll move into aNATO country.

Our army is 1/10 the size of Finland's. Our prize new APC sickens its passengers. Our Navy is led by toxic personalities, The F35 programme is being undermined by costcutting and shortages of technical ranks.

Reeves considers it more important to continue featherbedding the indigent. Hang her*.

*Metaphorically, of course.We won't have hate speech ehere..."

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By *erasusMan
4 weeks ago

Glasgow

Generally the UK has a lower rate of tax revenue per GDP than the majority European Countries, less than the G7 and less than OECD averages. UK taxation levels are much less than the percentage raised in the 1960s

By 2028 UK may move to slightly higher than the G7/ OECD averages

Worth thinking about given the argument about businesses and entrepreneurs moving out.

Basically it means the UK is not some excess taxation outlier!

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By *ubfordom-travellingMan
4 weeks ago

south wales and south west


"For the record, I will vote for any party promising to try Reeves for treason.

Bit dramatic don't you think?!?

I don't. Make an example of her *pour encourager les autres*

Russia is simply waiting for Trump to give him Ukraine. Then he'll move into aNATO country.

Our army is 1/10 the size of Finland's. Our prize new APC sickens its passengers. Our Navy is led by toxic personalities, The F35 programme is being undermined by costcutting and shortages of technical ranks.

Reeves considers it more important to continue featherbedding the indigent. Hang her*.

*Metaphorically, of course.We won't have hate speech ehere...""

I didn't ask for a salad but you gave me one made of words

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By *erasusMan
4 weeks ago

Glasgow


"For the record, I will vote for any party promising to try Reeves for treason.

Bit dramatic don't you think?!?

I don't. Make an example of her *pour encourager les autres*

Russia is simply waiting for Trump to give him Ukraine. Then he'll move into aNATO country.

Our army is 1/10 the size of Finland's. Our prize new APC sickens its passengers. Our Navy is led by toxic personalities, The F35 programme is being undermined by costcutting and shortages of technical ranks.

Reeves considers it more important to continue featherbedding the indigent. Hang her*.

*Metaphorically, of course.We won't have hate speech ehere...""

The significant reduction in UK armed forces and amenities has been running for decades, primarily under periods of Tory Governments. That doesn’t mean a reappraisal should not be undertaken now.

A few things can be laid at this government’s door but not that one!

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By *anw33Man
4 weeks ago

liverpool

How I miss the golden days of Truss/Kwarteng who.did so much for stability & promotion of the economy

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By *awihMan
4 weeks ago

Aldershot


"Let's cut benefits.

Friend of mine used to say the same until he got a life changing illness and was unable to work again ,,, he doesn't say it now

A genuine case but that’s not where 40% of benefit goes

Don't understand what you mean by the figure 40% ,, to what does it refer and could you supply the source ,,, thankyou

"

Probably referring to “in work” benefits, things such as working tax credits (or whatever they call them now) to make up wages to a living amount, child benefit, child care vouchers etc.

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By *tagman6930Man
4 weeks ago

SW London

Fact check:

45% of welfare budget goes on paying the state pension.

22% goes on Universal credit.

18% goes on disability and carer benefits including PIPs

7% goes on Child Benefit.

5% goes on cost of living payments for targeted relief to vulnerable households.

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading

I particularly enjoyed it when Kemi referred to Starmer and Reeves as "Laurel and foolhardy"

Classic

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By *ello 1000Man
4 weeks ago

Lincolnshire


"I particularly enjoyed it when Kemi referred to Starmer and Reeves as "Laurel and foolhardy"

Classic"

A good line and very funny ,, but WOW look at the people Kemi was working with

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading


"I particularly enjoyed it when Kemi referred to Starmer and Reeves as "Laurel and foolhardy"

Classic

A good line and very funny ,, but WOW look at the people Kemi was working with "

Well yes ... Although there could be said to be a chronic dearth of talent and competency on both sides of the chamber right now.

Today's performative rearrangement of the seriously listing and leaky good ship UK's deckchairs was merely another example of another fine mess the larping government has got us into.

A good time to hit the trail in search of lonesome pines .....

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By *YbtmMan
4 weeks ago

Nr Wem

As expected, the labour pledge to put growth front and center failed totally.

As a business owner i have already quit the uk, its not because i am anti uk, far from it, but nothing the govt have proposed would encourage me to invest in people or equipment.

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere


"Generally the UK has a lower rate of tax revenue per GDP than the majority European Countries, less than the G7 and less than OECD averages. UK taxation levels are much less than the percentage raised in the 1960s

By 2028 UK may move to slightly higher than the G7/ OECD averages

Worth thinking about given the argument about businesses and entrepreneurs moving out.

Basically it means the UK is not some excess taxation outlier!"

It's a good job that the UK does have a lower tax burden than the rest of the G7. Simply because I wouldn't trust our lame brain politicians to spend it wisely!

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By *eterpiperMan
4 weeks ago

fife

Most businesses in Britain are foreign owned and probably don't pay the taxes they should be paying. All the shops run by money launderers and criminal gangs- phone repair shops, car washes, barber shops, vape shop, kebab shops, the list is vast , our shopping centres are being taken over by migrant crooks.

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By *rancd2TV/TS
4 weeks ago

Wolverhampton

Everybody seems to want to take more out of the pot, but doesn’t seem so happy when more has to go in.

For example pensioners want to keep the triple lock, but aren’t so happy when some have to pay tax.

Disabled want mobility cars, but aren’t happy when it can’t be a top of the range luxury car.

At some stage, if you want a bigger pot of money to take a cut from it has to come from somewhere.

It’s all well and good saying it should be from someone else, not me, but if everyone left it to someone else, nothing would go in.

If you’re not happy with it, change you vote or your location, don’t just moan.

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By *limboy68Man
4 weeks ago

St Albans

Nothing will change until we start making and growing our own food and energy..

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By *xtraoneMan
4 weeks ago

Gloucester


"Nothing will change until we start making and growing our own food and energy.."

I've turned my front garden over to growing wheat and now building a nuclear reactor in my shed.

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere


"Everybody seems to want to take more out of the pot, but doesn’t seem so happy when more has to go in.

For example pensioners want to keep the triple lock, but aren’t so happy when some have to pay tax.

Disabled want mobility cars, but aren’t happy when it can’t be a top of the range luxury car.

At some stage, if you want a bigger pot of money to take a cut from it has to come from somewhere.

It’s all well and good saying it should be from someone else, not me, but if everyone left it to someone else, nothing would go in.

If you’re not happy with it, change you vote or your location, don’t just moan."

Disabled ... and pensioners ...

Well, that's two easy targets. Any other non-deserving demographics you want to have a go at?

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"Nothing will change until we start making and growing our own food and energy..

I've turned my front garden over to growing wheat and now building a nuclear reactor in my shed. "

I put a wind turbine in my garden.

Then the storm came, and my garden was last seen over the Lancashire coastline

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere


"Nothing will change until we start making and growing our own food and energy..

I've turned my front garden over to growing wheat and now building a nuclear reactor in my shed. "

Well, you must be the only one. Round here everyone is turning their front garden over to concrete, because they need somewhere to store their overweight EV car. Mind you some of those may be going back after the budget.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"Everybody seems to want to take more out of the pot, but doesn’t seem so happy when more has to go in.

For example pensioners want to keep the triple lock, but aren’t so happy when some have to pay tax.

Disabled want mobility cars, but aren’t happy when it can’t be a top of the range luxury car.

At some stage, if you want a bigger pot of money to take a cut from it has to come from somewhere.

It’s all well and good saying it should be from someone else, not me, but if everyone left it to someone else, nothing would go in.

If you’re not happy with it, change you vote or your location, don’t just moan.

Disabled ... and pensioners ...

Well, that's two easy targets. Any other non-deserving demographics you want to have a go at?"

Might as well throw in veterans then. Make it the holy trinity.

Apparently 3,700 of them are sleeping rough. Shame they can't come back in on a dinghy..

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By *lueshirt1Man
4 weeks ago

Berwick upon Tweed/East lothian/Edinburgh

A Romanian lady who comes into where I work and has 7 children was rubbing her hands at the 2 child benefit cap being lifted. She is saving up to buy a house with land in the Romanian countryside to go back to occasionally.

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By *xtraoneMan
4 weeks ago

Gloucester


"A Romanian lady who comes into where I work and has 7 children was rubbing her hands at the 2 child benefit cap being lifted. She is saving up to buy a house with land in the Romanian countryside to go back to occasionally. "

Better tell Nigel

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By *awsMan
4 weeks ago

Portsmouth


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over"

Oh what short memories the deluded left have. I seem to remember Gordson Brown and his incompetent lot leaving the country bankrupt and up shit creek without a paddle. These incompetent Liebour lot will still be blaming the Tories at the end of their reign!

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By *erasusMan
4 weeks ago

Glasgow

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By *erasusMan
4 weeks ago

Glasgow


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over

Oh what short memories the deluded left have. I seem to remember Gordson Brown and his incompetent lot leaving the country bankrupt and up shit creek without a paddle. These incompetent Liebour lot will still be blaming the Tories at the end of their reign!"

Blimey who makes this stuff up?

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By *erasusMan
4 weeks ago

Glasgow


"As expected, the labour pledge to put growth front and center failed totally.

As a business owner i have already quit the uk, its not because i am anti uk, far from it, but nothing the govt have proposed would encourage me to invest in people or equipment.

"

Maybe, just maybe……you won’t be missed much 🤔

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By *awsMan
4 weeks ago

Portsmouth


"Everybody seems to want to take more out of the pot, but doesn’t seem so happy when more has to go in.

For example pensioners want to keep the triple lock, but aren’t so happy when some have to pay tax.

Disabled want mobility cars, but aren’t happy when it can’t be a top of the range luxury car.

At some stage, if you want a bigger pot of money to take a cut from it has to come from somewhere.

It’s all well and good saying it should be from someone else, not me, but if everyone left it to someone else, nothing would go in.

If you’re not happy with it, change you vote or your location, don’t just moan."

It always seems to be the hard working people who contribute to the economy and socially to this country that keep getting shafted by this Liebour lot, while lazy work shy benefit dwellers who contribute nothing at all to society, apart from banging out more kids so they can scrounge more off the state get everything.

And before all you deluded lefty mafia start, I know there are genuine cases, but they’re the ones who also get stitched up and forgotten by this so called caring Liebour party. Didn’t they use to call the tories the “nasty party”? Well two tier Starmer and his cronies have clearly claimed that crown.

Here’s s an idea, seeing that most of these scrongers get a lot more than £12570.00 per year in benefits, HMRC should start taxing them!

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By *awsMan
4 weeks ago

Portsmouth


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over

Oh what short memories the deluded left have. I seem to remember Gordson Brown and his incompetent lot leaving the country bankrupt and up shit creek without a paddle. These incompetent Liebour lot will still be blaming the Tories at the end of their reign!

Blimey who makes this stuff up?"

Why don’t you actually look at the history before making stupid statements!

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over

Oh what short memories the deluded left have. I seem to remember Gordson Brown and his incompetent lot leaving the country bankrupt and up shit creek without a paddle. These incompetent Liebour lot will still be blaming the Tories at the end of their reign!

Blimey who makes this stuff up?"

People who's memory doesn’t stretch back to the period 1997 to 2010?

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By *hiteroseMan
4 weeks ago

Neverwhere


"As expected, the labour pledge to put growth front and center failed totally.

As a business owner i have already quit the uk, its not because i am anti uk, far from it, but nothing the govt have proposed would encourage me to invest in people or equipment.

"

And yet you continue to live in the UK (according to your profile).

And ... if you have 'already quit the UK' then I presume this has nothing to do with today's budget.

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By *over78Man
4 weeks ago

Doncaster

Terrible budget overall. I actually agree with lifting the 2 child cap but only for families where both parents were born in the UK.

We need to curb the decline in new borns and make it as easy as possible to have kids and be a positive tax contributor to the country.

Giving people a hand up to get their families started will benefit us all later on.

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"So much being said about it.

Never known one so anticipated.

I think they are putting the awful rumours out so that we don't complain when we are majorly stuffed.

The awful rumours have already done enough damage.

I think that may have been the last lot. Destroying the magic money forest and then starting on another. How’s Baroness Mone getting by now? How’s Matt Handcock’s publican friend doing? How many Tories who used the old boys network to VIP those government contracts have enriched the country. Liz Truss 49 days that we’ll be paying for another 49 years. Rich Boy well eat out to help out did more to spread covid 19 than Cheltenham races and UEFA cup games combined.

14 years of ineptitude is going to take a while to get over

Oh what short memories the deluded left have. I seem to remember Gordson Brown and his incompetent lot leaving the country bankrupt and up shit creek without a paddle. These incompetent Liebour lot will still be blaming the Tories at the end of their reign!

Blimey who makes this stuff up?

People who's memory doesn’t stretch back to the period 1997 to 2010?"

It's an interesting point.

There's a whole load of voters now who have spent their entire adult life being used to mass migration, austerity, low growth, unstable geo politics.

I'm not sure why they would see the world the same way an older person like myself would.

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge

This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

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By *racknell DeepthroaterMan
4 weeks ago

Bracknell

Let's hope with the lifting of the 2 child cap, the Government remembers to review those claiming additional Universal Credit for the shortfall of the 2 Child Cap and adjusts otherwise they will get double bubble!

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By *ocbigMan
4 weeks ago

Birmingham


"Terrible budget overall. I actually agree with lifting the 2 child cap but only for families where both parents were born in the UK.

We need to curb the decline in new borns and make it as easy as possible to have kids and be a positive tax contributor to the country.

Giving people a hand up to get their families started will benefit us all later on."

But how do we persuade these children to take the jobs that exist, but the current crop of young educated persons don’t seem to to want to do

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By *xtraoneMan
4 weeks ago

Gloucester


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks. "

So says a misogynistic cock sucker.

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By *erasusMan
4 weeks ago

Glasgow


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

So says a misogynistic cock sucker. "

😂😂😂

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By *owestoftBiCdMan
4 weeks ago

Lowestoft

Decent budget but could have gone further

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By *owestoftBiCdMan
4 weeks ago

Lowestoft


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks. "

Pathetic and sad

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester


"Decent budget but could have gone further "

How is it decent?

The chancellor made a commitment when they came into power to eliminate the deficit in this term.

We are on target to borrow £120bn more this year.

Borrowing rates are worse than even under Truss. A third of our 2.5 trillion debt requires financing from elsewhere.

She has a lot of work to do to hit the targets.

We can't afford failure.

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks. "

Misogynistic and pathetic comment.

Pretty much what I'd expect your you sadly.

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

So says a misogynistic cock sucker. "

I do it for fun, not for promotions at work lol! Come on, she didnt get promoted because of her intelligence or skills. Well I suppose skills but not accountancy skills 😆 😂

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By *xtraoneMan
4 weeks ago

Gloucester

Your comments are vile.

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By *ammy aka SammyTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Bedford

Maybe just maybe it would be better to make the two child cap only available for families where both parents work. X

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks. "

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

"

I suppose I was a bit harsh, she more than likely got it because there just isnt anyone with brains in Labour and there wasnt any competition for the role.

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

I suppose I was a bit harsh, she more than likely got it because there just isnt anyone with brains in Labour and there wasnt any competition for the role."

You should have applied then, and lost 😉

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

I suppose I was a bit harsh, she more than likely got it because there just isnt anyone with brains in Labour and there wasnt any competition for the role."

Thanks, I would say that's more the case, but Lord knows what really goes on behind the closed doors of the corridors of power! 😁

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

I suppose I was a bit harsh, she more than likely got it because there just isnt anyone with brains in Labour and there wasnt any competition for the role.

Thanks, I would say that's more the case, but Lord knows what really goes on behind the closed doors of the corridors of power! 😁"

They aren't known as the party of wasters for nothing 😆

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

I suppose I was a bit harsh, she more than likely got it because there just isnt anyone with brains in Labour and there wasnt any competition for the role.

Thanks, I would say that's more the case, but Lord knows what really goes on behind the closed doors of the corridors of power! 😁

They aren't known as the party of wasters for nothing 😆 "

Like the tories aren't known for selling off everything for profit.

Their idol Maggie is really responsible for many of the problems we now face.

But keep on blaiming the people trying to find a way out of the crap we are in.

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading


"This is what happens when the useless woman from accounts gets given a bit of responsibility and promoted for sucking the right cocks.

There is a lot of truth in former part of that statement, despite what some here say. However, the last five words seem completely fabricated, which unfortunately undermines the validity of the remainder of the statement!

The woman is clearly out of her depth as her imminent departure will reveal!

I suppose I was a bit harsh, she more than likely got it because there just isnt anyone with brains in Labour and there wasnt any competition for the role.

Thanks, I would say that's more the case, but Lord knows what really goes on behind the closed doors of the corridors of power! 😁

They aren't known as the party of wasters for nothing 😆

Like the tories aren't known for selling off everything for profit.

Their idol Maggie is really responsible for many of the problems we now face.

But keep on blaiming the people trying to find a way out of the crap we are in. "

I guess they are working on the principle that if they just keep digging ever deeper into the feculent depression ....eventually we will come out the other side?

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By *manMan
4 weeks ago

wiltshire near stapleford

I'm not a big fan of the chancellor, not Kier. But the country was ruined by 14 years of incompetence, bad prime ministers (Johnson, Cameron, Truss, May and Rishi). On top of there mistakes, we had the three major disasters, Brexit and COVID, war in Ukraine.To expect anyone to come in and magically turn everything around in less than 18 months??

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By *ristolsbMan
4 weeks ago

Bedminster, Bristol


"I'm not a big fan of the chancellor, not Kier. But the country was ruined by 14 years of incompetence, bad prime ministers (Johnson, Cameron, Truss, May and Rishi). On top of there mistakes, we had the three major disasters, Brexit and COVID, war in Ukraine.To expect anyone to come in and magically turn everything around in less than 18 months?? "

In total agreement. Brexit alone is costing us £850M a week, and GDP is around 8% lower than projected to have been before Brexit. No government could magic that away. But of course how could we have foreseen the dire results of telling our biggest trade market to fuck off? Oh wait... we could. But the stupid cants that voted for it labelled that Project Fear.

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By *our-slaveMan
4 weeks ago

nottingham


"I'm not a big fan of the chancellor, not Kier. But the country was ruined by 14 years of incompetence, bad prime ministers (Johnson, Cameron, Truss, May and Rishi). On top of there mistakes, we had the three major disasters, Brexit and COVID, war in Ukraine.To expect anyone to come in and magically turn everything around in less than 18 months?? "

The above is the most sensible post in this thread.

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By *essa_MTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Red Rose County

It must have been a good budget anyway. The Daily Fail, The Depress, The Torygraph and The Scum. Are all up in arms. Every one of those rags are run by billionaires who don’t pay their fair share and live abroad.

The markets seem to think it’s a good budget. Lets all remember how they reacted to unfunded tax cuts. Mortgage rates went through the roof.

14 years of dogma and incompetence isn’t getting turned around is 18 months or so. This Government has at least another 3 to 3 1/2 years to go and at least they are making inroads into Tory incompetence.

One thing to remember the Tories cut down the magic money forest. So every penny in extra taxes you are paying is down to them. All the government is doing is balancing the books that were cooked for 14 years

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire

The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

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By *ustOneBearMan
4 weeks ago

Neath

I never knew there were so many multi millionaire economic experts on fab.

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire


"I never knew there were so many multi millionaire economic experts on fab.

"

So what's your take on the issue?

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster! "

Which part of the budget makes you specifically worse off?

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By *opcock58Man
4 weeks ago

Helston


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster! "

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By *astguy7Man
4 weeks ago

Gloucestershire

Everything in the run up to the election said by Reeves was about growth. Now in power they are expanding welfare spending and increasing tax. True to their Labour roots. If you want something different to this, don't vote Labour next time.

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By *liceCDTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Hatfield

Lie after lie during election campaign promises no tax rises going to help those not so well off

LIES LIES LIES

I just hope all the mugs who believed starmer and voted Liebour are satisfied

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By *ruemaleMan
4 weeks ago

notts


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster! "

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right"

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

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By *atthew500Man
4 weeks ago

east yorks/hull


"Lie after lie during election campaign promises no tax rises going to help those not so well off

LIES LIES LIES

I just hope all the mugs who believed starmer and voted Liebour are satisfied "

. I think most didnt vote for labour dreaming of an instantly greater future but realusation that they were the only option to the inept and corrupt tory govt.

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By *ruemaleMan
4 weeks ago

notts


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers."

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one"

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

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By *ustOneBearMan
4 weeks ago

Neath


"I never knew there were so many multi millionaire economic experts on fab.

So what's your take on the issue? "

That everyone on here seems to think they could do better.

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By *ruemaleMan
4 weeks ago

notts

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By *ruemaleMan
4 weeks ago

notts


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now. "

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt

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By *potonMan
4 weeks ago

colchester

Yes, but Rachel Reeves does look sexy best bit about the budget.

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt "

Pensions are going up in the budget.

Did you prefer the truss budget?

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By *lexieMan
4 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton


"I'm not a big fan of the chancellor, not Kier. But the country was ruined by 14 years of incompetence, bad prime ministers (Johnson, Cameron, Truss, May and Rishi). On top of there mistakes, we had the three major disasters, Brexit and COVID, war in Ukraine.To expect anyone to come in and magically turn everything around in less than 18 months?? "

THIS ^

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By *ruemaleMan
4 weeks ago

notts


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt

Pensions are going up in the budget.

Did you prefer the truss budget?"

Irrelevant. She

Lasted five minutes.

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By *3versMan
4 weeks ago

glasgow


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt

Pensions are going up in the budget.

Did you prefer the truss budget?

Irrelevant. She

Lasted five minutes. "

The effects didn't

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By *essa_MTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Red Rose County


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt

Pensions are going up in the budget.

Did you prefer the truss budget?

Irrelevant. She

Lasted five minutes. "

She did more damage in her 49 days than any PM in history.

Not irrelevant proof that the Tories are a busted flush. The economy is not safe in their hands not their rejects holed up at present in reform.

The country will still be paying the price for Tory incompetence in 50 years

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By *laireKTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Manchester

The financial crash knocked 1.25 to 1.5 points off UK growth every year since.

Look at the graph, see the trend line.

In the 3 decades before the crash we were more productive, per capita, than the US.

Now they are 3 times more productive than UK.

Growth per capita is clearly key.

My question is, what does spending tens of billions on welfare do for productivity?

Nothing!

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By *nthebuffMan
4 weeks ago

Liskeard


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt

Pensions are going up in the budget.

Did you prefer the truss budget?

Irrelevant. She

Lasted five minutes.

She did more damage in her 49 days than any PM in history.

Not irrelevant proof that the Tories are a busted flush. The economy is not safe in their hands not their rejects holed up at present in reform.

The country will still be paying the price for Tory incompetence in 50 years "

According to Liebour who never did actually state precisely where the black holes were. Since this shower came in, that black hole has increased massively. (Don't get me wrong, don't think any of the current parties are fit to govern)

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Whether one was for Tory or not, Sunak warned about this and was right

Maybe because he knew what a shit place we were in?

His party basically threw the election away because they had no answers.

Rather have the Tory shit show than this labour one

You had that for 14 years, which is why we are here now.

I was better off under the Tories, now paying tax on my very miniscule private pension as it just goes over the threshold. Always the same with labour. Promise everything then leave the country almost bankrupt

Pensions are going up in the budget.

Did you prefer the truss budget?"

Pensions are indeed going up in the budget......then going back to HM Treasury in raised taxes!

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge

I cant understand why they have stopped the 2 child rule to be honest, if you cant afford them then dont have them, go on the pill, use a condom, have an abortion. There's plenty of options. Taxpayers shouldn't be supporting kids, especially immigrant kids.

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By *ary1066Man
4 weeks ago

Preston


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster!

Which part of the budget makes you specifically worse off? "

The £150 off the energy bills in April , why not January when the cap increases if labour really cares about the cost of living .

If you think anyone will see that decrease in April decrease you are delusional

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By *oose1Man
4 weeks ago

doncaster


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock "
don’t forget we have worked all our lives paying national insurance etc ( I was probaly working when you was a child and your parents claimed family allowance for you so let’s scrap that too )

I’m still paying taxes even though I’m on a pension , let’s hope pensions are scrapped before you retire

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By *opcock58Man
4 weeks ago

Helston

So many guys blinded by their own stupidity. About time we had mid terms like the Americans. Bet they comes back for more next year.whats the point of working these days? Might aswell live in a counsil house and have 8 kids and claim mental health issues. Never have to do a days work and get everthing payed for by us muppets that do work, still at my age!

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By *ancsbisexMan
4 weeks ago

Burnley

Takeaway - If you can legally move to another country and work and live there, then best to do so asap. Life in the UK will be a mugs game in future if you work for a living.

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By *orwdMan
4 weeks ago

Sheffield

Good news for big...getting bigger families...bad news for the rest of us...back bench pressure Starmer gut less.

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By *iss me Kiss me Kiss meMan
4 weeks ago

Morecambe

For want and the price of tea and a slice, the old man dies

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By *etra30Man
4 weeks ago

RAYLEIGH

The way things are going with Starmer and Co all wages and salaries will be taxed at 100% and we will all be on benefits.

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By *ammy aka SammyTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Bedford

Just opens the why bother to work floodgates .xx

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By *ldergent321Man
4 weeks ago

Littlehampton


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock "

You wont be saying that in 25 years time after paying about £120 a month into it.

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By *urious4cockMan
4 weeks ago

Withan

Who's WE

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading

It was a milksop quasi-socialist budget designed entirely to placate the increasingly significant contingent of bolshy Labour MPs who have been snapping at the heels of Captain Hindsight & Rachel From Accounts.

It'll keep the howling hounds at bay for the rest of the year .... But Starmer and his cabinet of calamities will be lucky to cling on to their positions much past the summer of 2026.

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By *rancd2TV/TS
4 weeks ago

Wolverhampton


"So many guys blinded by their own stupidity. About time we had mid terms like the Americans. Bet they comes back for more next year.whats the point of working these days? Might aswell live in a counsil house and have 8 kids and claim mental health issues. Never have to do a days work and get everthing payed for by us muppets that do work, still at my age!"

Good luck with getting a council house

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading


"So many guys blinded by their own stupidity. About time we had mid terms like the Americans. Bet they comes back for more next year.whats the point of working these days? Might aswell live in a counsil house and have 8 kids and claim mental health issues. Never have to do a days work and get everthing payed for by us muppets that do work, still at my age!

Good luck with getting a council house"

The trouble with compulsory redistribution of wealth (Socialism), is that the money-grabbing State eventually runs out of other people's money to fund the whole shit-show.

Yesterday's budget was just a very complicated version of 'Robbing Peter to Pay Paul'

(Peter pulls his weight ... Works hard ... Pays into the system ...Would love to start a family of his own, if only he could afford to)

(Paul hasn't worked since 2018, due to being diagnosed with anxiety issues, caused by the stress of having 6 kids ... 4 of whom have ADHD)

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By *icole mk tvTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Milton keynes


"So many guys blinded by their own stupidity. About time we had mid terms like the Americans. Bet they comes back for more next year.whats the point of working these days? Might aswell live in a counsil house and have 8 kids and claim mental health issues. Never have to do a days work and get everthing payed for by us muppets that do work, still at my age!

Good luck with getting a council house

The trouble with compulsory redistribution of wealth (Socialism), is that the money-grabbing State eventually runs out of other people's money to fund the whole shit-show.

Yesterday's budget was just a very complicated version of 'Robbing Peter to Pay Paul'

(Peter pulls his weight ... Works hard ... Pays into the system ...Would love to start a family of his own, if only he could afford to)

(Paul hasn't worked since 2018, due to being diagnosed with anxiety issues, caused by the stress of having 6 kids ... 4 of whom have ADHD)

"

Sums it up

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By *amme!Man
4 weeks ago

on my travels!


"Nothing will change until we start making and growing our own food and energy.."

👍👍👍👍

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading


"Nothing will change until we start making and growing our own food and energy..

👍👍👍👍"

Lack of change isn't the problem.

The trouble is that Everything is constantly Changing... Everywhere ... All the time ... at an exponentially unmanageable rate.

Our governmental and social systems aren't designed or equipped to adapt to these changes.

'Digging For Victory', pottering about on bicycles & covering the country in Chinese-made solar panels isn't going to touch the sides.

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By *suckcocks666Man
4 weeks ago

Birstall

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By *suckcocks666Man
4 weeks ago

Birstall


"The budget is a masterclass in fiscal sleight of hand – taxing the many to fund the few, while pretending to be 'fair'! But we can see through it!

Labour's economic vision is a tired mix of tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow and borrow until we are stifled by huge loan and interest repayments!

It's the same old, same old Labour recipe that's failed every time it's been tried. And the result? Stagnation, debt, despair and ruination as we head for another Winter of Discontent!

This incompetent, clueless chancellor is more interested in picking winners and losers, doling out favours to her mates in the trade unions and the public sector. Meanwhile, ordinary hardworking families are left to foot the bill.

It's not just a tax grab – it's a values test. Labour is clearly telling us that they don't believe in aspiration, entrepreneurship, or personal responsibility. They believe in state dependency, bureaucracy and control of our freedoms.

That's not a plan for the future – it's a formula for total disaster! "

100% agree.

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By *illyloverMan
4 weeks ago

EH48


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock I think that people that have worked 40+ years and paid in would argue with that. There are plenty of other ways for savings to be made."

I’ve worked 51 years and hardly missed a day. I think I’ve paid my dues

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

It’s all starting to unravel again!

Feckin useless!

And before anyone from the left mentioned 450k kids taken out of pivots they could have done that with the welfare bill and the first budget but they chose to cow tow to the unions and pay train drivers more and they still went on strike!

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By *etmepants offMan
4 weeks ago

dartford

I think rachel from accounts is a secret reform supporter, and is doing everything she can to encourage the electorate to vote reform at the next election

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By *antsMeetsMan
4 weeks ago

uxbridge

The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees.

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees."

Try not to judge others by your own actions.

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By *ightflyMan
4 weeks ago

sittingbourne


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees."
so worse than mad Liz and whatever his name was ?

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By *lexieMan
4 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton


"It was a milksop quasi-socialist budget designed entirely to placate the increasingly significant contingent of bolshy Labour MPs who have been snapping at the heels of Captain Hindsight & Rachel From Accounts.

It'll keep the howling hounds at bay for the rest of the year .... But Starmer and his cabinet of calamities will be lucky to cling on to their positions much past the summer of 2026.

The mouisty left in Starmers toxic mixed bag will be back for more for sure. He promised them before the GE, if they kept their heads down and there mouths shut then socialist nevarna was just round the corner... well, here we are; at the corner! The feathers are gonna fly!

"

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By *aremanMan
4 weeks ago

Hingham

4/5 of my income is state pension. I'm paying tax on the rest. On this budget I should break even, if:

1. I don't drink at all

2. I don't drive at all

3. I don't have an interest-bearing savings account other than ISAs

And I am looking with deep envy at the new living wage rate.

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By *tephen_b50Man
4 weeks ago

Bristol


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees. so worse than mad Liz and whatever his name was ?"

Kwasi Kwarteng - aka "Kami Kwasi".

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By *ranform71Man
4 weeks ago

Hinckley

Why don’t they ever kiss before they absolutely fuck us. Lol

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By *q oralistMan
4 weeks ago

Torquay

Like it or not and regardless of your political affiliations, the economy will hit buffers and crash if the fast expanding welfare bell cannot be reduced. There will just not be enough inflated taxation to keep up with it. With Labour's ultra left MPs calling the shots Starmer and his crew are a busted flash and cannot control welfarism. They have the same problem in France and Germany. The balance between productive and unproductive people has to be put back

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By *lexieMan
4 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton


"So many guys blinded by their own stupidity. About time we had mid terms like the Americans. Bet they comes back for more next year.whats the point of working these days? Might aswell live in a counsil house and have 8 kids and claim mental health issues. Never have to do a days work and get everthing payed for by us muppets that do work, still at my age!

Good luck with getting a council house

The trouble with compulsory redistribution of wealth (Socialism), is that the money-grabbing State eventually runs out of other people's money to fund the whole shit-show.

Yesterday's budget was just a very complicated version of 'Robbing Peter to Pay Paul'

(Peter pulls his weight ... Works hard ... Pays into the system ...Would love to start a family of his own, if only he could afford to)

(Paul hasn't worked since 2018, due to being diagnosed with anxiety issues, caused by the stress of having 6 kids ... 4 of whom have ADHD)

"

Thankfully, Ai will soon be doing all the work and we can all stay home on genrous handouts from the government. We just need someone to figure out how to make the robots pay PAYE to fund it all! RACHEL, RACHEL... where are you?

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By *q oralistMan
4 weeks ago

Torquay


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees. so worse than mad Liz and whatever his name was ?

Kwasi Kwarteng - aka "Kami Kwasi"."

Over the medium long term Reeves will have done far more damage than Truss did, that's a given.

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees. so worse than mad Liz and whatever his name was ?

Kwasi Kwarteng - aka "Kami Kwasi".

Over the medium long term Reeves will have done far more damage than Truss did, that's a given."

Imagine if Truss had been left in power...

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By *tephen_b50Man
4 weeks ago

Bristol


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock don’t forget we have worked all our lives paying national insurance etc ( I was probaly working when you was a child and your parents claimed family allowance for you so let’s scrap that too )

I’m still paying taxes even though I’m on a pension , let’s hope pensions are scrapped before you retire "

And let's not forget that through the 1970's to mid 80's, the BASIC rate of income tax was around 35%. Thatcher reduced it, but where she really screwed it down was on the top rates: a recipe for the massive increase in inequality that followed.

People really need to get over the delusion that we can have Scandinavian standards of public services, financed by American rates of taxation.

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees. so worse than mad Liz and whatever his name was ?

Kwasi Kwarteng - aka "Kami Kwasi".

Over the medium long term Reeves will have done far more damage than Truss did, that's a given.

Imagine if Truss had been left in power..."

Luckily, she at least had the good grace to fuck of out of it shortly after proving herself inept and unsuitable for any position of serious responsibility.

If only the hopeless RR would do the same and go back to dealing with customer service queries at a high street bank instead of completely muffing up the UK economy.

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By *wm17Man
4 weeks ago

Carlisle


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock "

Says you who is 25 years from retirement, you wouldn't say that as a pensioner right now.

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire

Regardless of politics, none of the Labour front bench are of suitable calibre for the high office they are attempting to fulfil, especially when you think of Labour party heavyweights of the past, such as those of the Wilson/Callaghan governments. They may have had a lot to be desired and the end result wasn't good, but they had the confidence, experience and necessary political skills to enforce their policies, whether one agreed with them or not.

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By *espectdueMan
4 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"Regardless of politics, none of the Labour front bench are of suitable calibre for the high office they are attempting to fulfil, especially when you think of Labour party heavyweights of the past, such as those of the Wilson/Callaghan governments. They may have had a lot to be desired and the end result wasn't good, but they had the confidence, experience and necessary political skills to enforce their policies, whether one agreed with them or not. "

Possibly true, but I think this is true of all political parties now.

I can hardly think of anyone that fits that description.

One of the largest problems now is social media where opinions, whether correct or lies are spread instantly as if they are facts.

Made more difficult for the current government by the fact the main newspapers are against them.

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By *eepeter4Man
4 weeks ago

Bournemouth


"The worse Chancellor in the history of British politics and she still has a job! She must be constantly on her knees. so worse than mad Liz and whatever his name was ?

Kwasi Kwarteng - aka "Kami Kwasi".

Over the medium long term Reeves will have done far more damage than Truss did, that's a given."

👇👇

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By *evanianMan
4 weeks ago

Flintshire


"Regardless of politics, none of the Labour front bench are of suitable calibre for the high office they are attempting to fulfil, especially when you think of Labour party heavyweights of the past, such as those of the Wilson/Callaghan governments. They may have had a lot to be desired and the end result wasn't good, but they had the confidence, experience and necessary political skills to enforce their policies, whether one agreed with them or not.

Possibly true, but I think this is true of all political parties now.

I can hardly think of anyone that fits that description.

One of the largest problems now is social media where opinions, whether correct or lies are spread instantly as if they are facts.

Made more difficult for the current government by the fact the main newspapers are against them. "

Yes, British politics is certainly lacking the respected confident characters of experience, dedication and political skill such as those we have seen in the past, social media certainly bears influence on the political opinions of the electorate, although whichever party is in power certain elements of the media will do all they can to oppose them and sway public opinion.

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By *q oralistMan
4 weeks ago

Torquay


"We'd be a lot better off without the triple lock don’t forget we have worked all our lives paying national insurance etc ( I was probaly working when you was a child and your parents claimed family allowance for you so let’s scrap that too )

I’m still paying taxes even though I’m on a pension , let’s hope pensions are scrapped before you retire

And let's not forget that through the 1970's to mid 80's, the BASIC rate of income tax was around 35%. Thatcher reduced it, but where she really screwed it down was on the top rates: a recipe for the massive increase in inequality that followed.

People really need to get over the delusion that we can have Scandinavian standards of public services, financed by American rates of taxation."

Back in 2004 I was in Denmark and people explained to me their high rates of taxation and they really hated it

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By *awsMan
4 weeks ago

Portsmouth


"Regardless of politics, none of the Labour front bench are of suitable calibre for the high office they are attempting to fulfil, especially when you think of Labour party heavyweights of the past, such as those of the Wilson/Callaghan governments. They may have had a lot to be desired and the end result wasn't good, but they had the confidence, experience and necessary political skills to enforce their policies, whether one agreed with them or not.

Possibly true, but I think this is true of all political parties now.

I can hardly think of anyone that fits that description.

One of the largest problems now is social media where opinions, whether correct or lies are spread instantly as if they are facts.

Made more difficult for the current government by the fact the main newspapers are against them.

Yes, British politics is certainly lacking the respected confident characters of experience, dedication and political skill such as those we have seen in the past, social media certainly bears influence on the political opinions of the electorate, although whichever party is in power certain elements of the media will do all they can to oppose them and sway public opinion. "

Prior to that war monger and liarTony Blair becoming the leader of the Liebour party and then prime minister, John Smith was the leader and what a politician he was. A man on integrity and honour. Unfortunately he was taken so suddenly and tragically. I was a Liebour supporter back then and actually voted for Blair when he became Prime Minister. Since then Liebour have been led by liars, hypocrites and incompetent buffoons.

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By *etmepants offMan
4 weeks ago

dartford

Rachel been caught out again not being trueful

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By *impy2019200Man
4 weeks ago

Ayr

Folks let's just realise they are doing all this to line their pockets before being moved on. Politics is a big part of the country but I've never been interested as I've seen over years they lie through their teeth. Promote what they want folk to hear to get the votes then look after no 1 and are sure them and their family can live luxurious life. Fuck the government.

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By *arefeetMan
4 weeks ago

Manchester

You can't make it up

So its the fault of the media

OR

This Government is utterly useless

Lies Lies Lies

Not putting the UK people first

Thank god they will never be in power for a LONG time after the next general election.

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By *impy2019200Man
4 weeks ago

Ayr


"You can't make it up

So its the fault of the media

OR

This Government is utterly useless

Lies Lies Lies

Not putting the UK people first

Thank god they will never be in power for a LONG time after the next general election."

next general election can't hurry up . And way they are doing things will there still be a country there once they are out. I've heard one thing that due tk the way the inheritance tax is if they continue with the plan they want the country will be worse off than we were in ww2 when they had worked out rations which would cover 1 person for 2-4 weeks and way it's estimated now is a ration would last 6 days

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By *arefeetMan
4 weeks ago

Manchester

Fact

Labour always never puts the hard working people first

AND

Leaves the country in dept

You have to me mentally ill to vote labour

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By *impy2019200Man
4 weeks ago

Ayr


"Fact

Labour always never puts the hard working people first

AND

Leaves the country in dept

You have to me mentally ill to vote labour "

very true. So is it a case of votes being rigged. They do not care for anyone apart from there own self/family.

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By *andomguy321Man
4 weeks ago

reading


"Fact

Labour always never puts the hard working people first

AND

Leaves the country in dept

You have to me mentally ill to vote labour "

To be fair on the mentally ill ... They are far more likely to receive greater benefit payments under a Labour administration.

So they are bound to vote Labour.

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By *xtraoneMan
4 weeks ago

Gloucester

It's called democracy there's always going to be millions of voters who's not going to get the government they voted for, please don't winge about it for the next four years.

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