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"Free speech is an illusion has not existed in my lifetime and I am in my 70's " Absolutely spot on. | |||
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"It's called 'free' speech. " No it isn't   xx | |||
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"Ye, this isn't America. We don't have free speech in the UK. Sadly." You're correct, we don't. We have freedom of expression xx | |||
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"Ye, this isn't America. We don't have free speech in the UK. Sadly. You're correct, we don't. We have freedom of expression xx"Unless you express the wrong thing. | |||
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"Ye, this isn't America. We don't have free speech in the UK. Sadly. However, if I am right in that, that chant, means a call to violence, then yeh it is the right thing to do." Let's ban "Onward Christian Soldiers" too, then. /hey....not a bad idea either... | |||
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"Now Tom has never attended any political march or cause. Apparently the Chief of Police and the Government will now sanction arrests on pro Palestine marches if the protesters display signs or chant the slogan, Globalise In****da. I am not sure if that phrase is good or bad but what the F is going on here? Genuinly confused.com" Maybe you should look up what the phrase means before posting another thread on here. | |||
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"We’re talking in the third person, now, are we? Copying Trump or has your id taken over? "Yes, I pointed out to hi. That trump did it and now he thinks its funny to do the same thing.. | |||
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"Now Tom has never attended any political march or cause. Apparently the Chief of Police and the Government will now sanction arrests on pro Palestine marches if the protesters display signs or chant the slogan, Globalise In****da. I am not sure if that phrase is good or bad but what the F is going on here? Genuinly confused.com" Fine everyone of them who chants it £5000 each and if they don't pay, then jail them until they do | |||
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"Just Ban Pro Palesistine Marches or Anti Israel. Whichever you prefer to call them. " Agree fully | |||
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"Ye, this isn't America. We don't have free speech in the UK. Sadly. However, if I am right in that, that chant, means a call to violence, then yeh it is the right thing to do." Do you condemn far right calls for violence ? Is homophobia "free speech" ? | |||
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"Just Ban Pro Palesistine Marches or Anti Israel. Whichever you prefer to call them. " Let's ban anti-muslim hate marches too. | |||
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"A lot of people confuse the concept of free speech with the very different concept of "consequence free speech". We DO have free speech and you're free to express whatever opinions you like. What you can't do in the UK (and rightly so) is incite others to violence or to express support for proscribed organisations. Some speech has consequences, and the world would be a better place if people recognised that and maybe gave some considered thought to moderating their behaviour and language at times. Calling for a group of people to be exterminated for example is not an example of free speech. " Well said. | |||
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"A lot of people confuse the concept of free speech with the very different concept of "consequence free speech". We DO have free speech and you're free to express whatever opinions you like. What you can't do in the UK (and rightly so) is incite others to violence or to express support for proscribed organisations. Some speech has consequences, and the world would be a better place if people recognised that and maybe gave some considered thought to moderating their behaviour and language at times. Calling for a group of people to be exterminated for example is not an example of free speech. " How about calling for a group of people NOT to be exterminated? Sounds harmless, but it's now forbidden under our great democracy. | |||
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"We’re talking in the third person, now, are we? Copying Trump or has your id taken over?
Yes, I pointed out to hi. That trump did it and now he thinks its funny to do the same thing.."I’m starting to think he’s not entirely well or has been radicalised by spending too much time deep diving Russian funded far right disinformation groups. | |||
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"How about calling for a group of people NOT to be exterminated? Sounds harmless, but it's now forbidden under our great democracy." That's interesting, I've never seen that, can you point me to where that happened? | |||
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"How about calling for a group of people NOT to be exterminated? Sounds harmless, but it's now forbidden under our great democracy. That's interesting, I've never seen that, can you point me to where that happened? " Every pro-Palestine demonstration. It's not as though Israeli govt's desire to exterminate Palestinians is something they've kept hidden. They actually brag about it. | |||
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"Just Ban Pro Palesistine Marches or Anti Israel. Whichever you prefer to call them. Let's ban anti-muslim hate marches too." What continues to baffle me is the disparity in attitudes regarding Muslims and Jews. We need to free ourselves from the perpetuated trope of Jew as eternal victim, especially where history reveals them to be, for a large part, the instigators. Yet the majority of the world remain too ovine to challenge this. Only then will the emperor be exposed as being truly naked.  | |||
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"How about calling for a group of people NOT to be exterminated? Sounds harmless, but it's now forbidden under our great democracy. That's interesting, I've never seen that, can you point me to where that happened? Every pro-Palestine demonstration. It's not as though Israeli govt's desire to exterminate Palestinians is something they've kept hidden. They actually brag about it. " Given that you offer no evidence for an arrest "for asking for a group not to be exterminated", and offered merely that a few arrests have happened at a pro Palestine march, then I'm going to suggest you're being wilfully disingenuous and arguing in bad faith. The arrests that have occurred at such marches were for showing support for proscribed organisations, and I suspect you well know this. The fact that pro Palestine marches have gone ahead almost weekly for two years with very low charge/ arrest / prosecution shows your argument position to be utterly false. It's very simple... your right to protest in the UK is upheld and you're free to air your views, but support for proscribed organisations is a different matter. | |||
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"Just Ban Pro Palesistine Marches or Anti Israel. Whichever you prefer to call them. Let's ban anti-muslim hate marches too. What continues to baffle me is the disparity in attitudes regarding Muslims and Jews. We need to free ourselves from the perpetuated trope of Jew as eternal victim, especially where history reveals them to be, for a large part, the instigators. Yet the majority of the world remain too ovine to challenge this. Only then will the emperor be exposed as being truly naked. "Although clearly rooted in religions, if that aspect is left to one side (I know how daft that sounds but bear with me), what we have is neighboring countries gouging land from each other… same as most wars/conflicts…religion is often the justification used .. to no one’s credit. So take out religion and shout ‘down with Russia’ about the Ukraine war… no one gets arrested, try the same with ‘down with Israel’…would there be a different outcome as ‘anti semitism ‘ comes riding in? But I shouted Israel, not Jews.. | |||
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"Just Ban Pro Palesistine Marches or Anti Israel. Whichever you prefer to call them. Let's ban anti-muslim hate marches too. What continues to baffle me is the disparity in attitudes regarding Muslims and Jews. We need to free ourselves from the perpetuated trope of Jew as eternal victim, especially where history reveals them to be, for a large part, the instigators. Yet the majority of the world remain too ovine to challenge this. Only then will the emperor be exposed as being truly naked.
Although clearly rooted in religions, if that aspect is left to one side (I know how daft that sounds but bear with me), what we have is neighboring countries gouging land from each other… same as most wars/conflicts…religion is often the justification used .. to no one’s credit.
So take out religion and shout ‘down with Russia’ about the Ukraine war… no one gets arrested, try the same with ‘down with Israel’…would there be a different outcome as ‘anti semitism ‘ comes riding in? But I shouted Israel, not Jews.."Spot on. Fundamentally i see little difference between the two conficts yet with one the world villifies the aggressor, with the other it supports it. It makes no sense to me. You are correct in your analysis regarding anti-Semitism, no one dares stick their head above the parapet for fear of being so accused. It hardly seems to me to be the worst thing one could be accused of. There is also a racial aspect here. With Russia/Ukraine it's white against white, with Israel/Palestine it's white against brown. In attempting to avoid accusations of anti-Semitism such people are themselves inadvertantly being racist. | |||
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"Interfada is a racist term used by followers of one religion against everyone who does not choose to be subjugated by that religion." Perhaps 'interfada' is, but intifada isn't. | |||
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"These marches are pointless in the first place , nothing good ever happens because of them . What ever they are about . " It's a day out for them ... They enjoy the event and get to feel that their tribe is making a show of power in numbers on a public stage. | |||
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"These marches are pointless in the first place , nothing good ever happens because of them . What ever they are about . It's a day out for them ... They enjoy the event and get to feel that their tribe is making a show of power in numbers on a public stage. " Or perhaps people with compassion and moral conscience would prefer to be seen on the right side of history. | |||
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"Im all for Israel "Why? | |||
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"Ye, this isn't America. We don't have free speech in the UK. Sadly. However, if I am right in that, that chant, means a call to violence, then yeh it is the right thing to do. Do you condemn far right calls for violence ? Is homophobia "free speech" ?" I condemn all calls for violence, why wouldn't I? Seems an odd question. Yes, in my opinion all speech should be free unless you're calling for or inciting violence. Everyone should be able to and allowed to criticize anyone and anything that they have an objection to, regardless of what or who they are criticizing. Telling someone they will get in trouble for voicing a concern about something that they are concerned about... is verging on tyranny and authoritarianism, actually it is. I feel the whole "phobic" finger pointing is only going make situations worse. | |||
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"These marches are pointless in the first place , nothing good ever happens because of them . What ever they are about . It's a day out for them ... They enjoy the event and get to feel that their tribe is making a show of power in numbers on a public stage. Or perhaps people with compassion and moral conscience would prefer to be seen on the right side of history. " If it involves Israel... then they are very keen to be seen protesting against them. Anything else involving other countries ..... not so much | |||
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"These marches are pointless in the first place , nothing good ever happens because of them . What ever they are about . It's a day out for them ... They enjoy the event and get to feel that their tribe is making a show of power in numbers on a public stage. Or perhaps people with compassion and moral conscience would prefer to be seen on the right side of history. If it involves Israel... then they are very keen to be seen protesting against them. Anything else involving other countries ..... not so much " Perhaps related to the history of the pseudo-state. It is possible to single out Israel as no other nation shares the equivalent. | |||
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"These marches are pointless in the first place , nothing good ever happens because of them . What ever they are about . It's a day out for them ... They enjoy the event and get to feel that their tribe is making a show of power in numbers on a public stage. Or perhaps people with compassion and moral conscience would prefer to be seen on the right side of history. If it involves Israel... then they are very keen to be seen protesting against them. Anything else involving other countries ..... not so much Perhaps related to the history of the pseudo-state. It is possible to single out Israel as no other nation shares the equivalent." Glad you made that point - Palestine is a perfect example of a Pseudo-State. | |||
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"The big problem with this is that people can’t seem to separate the difference between the different groups involved. There are 4 distinct groups involved: 1. The Israeli Government. 2. The Hamas group. 3. Ordinary Israeli People. 4. Ordinary Palestinian People. 1 & 2 are as bad as one another, and both are to be condemned for their actions. 3 & 4 are the innocent victims of 1 & 2 and are the ones who have suffered because of their actions. But as long as people can’t separate these groups 3 & 4 will keep on being targeted by supporters of 1 & 2 and the cycle of violence will not be broken." That sounds very sensible | |||
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"The big problem with this is that people can’t seem to separate the difference between the different groups involved. There are 4 distinct groups involved: 1. The Israeli Government. 2. The Hamas group. 3. Ordinary Israeli People. 4. Ordinary Palestinian People. 1 & 2 are as bad as one another, and both are to be condemned for their actions. 3 & 4 are the innocent victims of 1 & 2 and are the ones who have suffered because of their actions. But as long as people can’t separate these groups 3 & 4 will keep on being targeted by supporters of 1 & 2 and the cycle of violence will not be broken." If only it really was that simple. In truth, there isn't a great deal of separation. Draw a Ven Diagram of 'The Israeli Government' & 'Ordinary Israeli people' ... or 'The Hamas group' & 'Ordinary Palestinian people' ... and there will be a significant overlapping of each pair. And what about all the other 'Groups'/Nation States/Religious Affiliates that are involved in and strive to influence the whole seemingly never-ending saga? It is a Gordian knot that only expands and tightens over time. | |||
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"Ye, this isn't America. We don't have free speech in the UK. Sadly. You're correct, we don't. We have freedom of expression xx"Not unless you’re a Liebour councillor calling for protesters against illegal immigration to have their throat cuts or a trans activist calling for feminists to be punched in the face, then you can have all the free speech you want under two tier Keir! | |||
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"Peace on earth it's Christmas time Love thy neighbour The Uk is now a fast growing multicultural society with new arrivals every day Embrace and give shelter to our fellow humans they come here for a better life from some awful places We must build and provide permanent housing for them instead of keeping them in hotels which should only be used as a temporary measure Theres room for tens of millions more people in this country and theres plenty of land they could build new houses and places of worship on Come on Starmah get the ball rolling and build new communities that these poor people can settle in " We cant even build housing for our own | |||
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"Peace on earth it's Christmas time Love thy neighbour The Uk is now a fast growing multicultural society with new arrivals every day Embrace and give shelter to our fellow humans they come here for a better life from some awful places We must build and provide permanent housing for them instead of keeping them in hotels which should only be used as a temporary measure Theres room for tens of millions more people in this country and theres plenty of land they could build new houses and places of worship on Come on Starmah get the ball rolling and build new communities that these poor people can settle in " Spoken like someone who has a very shallow root system and little understanding of Britain. | |||
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"Peace on earth it's Christmas time Love thy neighbour The Uk is now a fast growing multicultural society with new arrivals every day Embrace and give shelter to our fellow humans they come here for a better life from some awful places We must build and provide permanent housing for them instead of keeping them in hotels which should only be used as a temporary measure Theres room for tens of millions more people in this country and theres plenty of land they could build new houses and places of worship on Come on Starmah get the ball rolling and build new communities that these poor people can settle in " oh dear, far too many bleeding hearts | |||
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"Peace on earth it's Christmas time Love thy neighbour The Uk is now a fast growing multicultural society with new arrivals every day Embrace and give shelter to our fellow humans they come here for a better life from some awful places We must build and provide permanent housing for them instead of keeping them in hotels which should only be used as a temporary measure Theres room for tens of millions more people in this country and theres plenty of land they could build new houses and places of worship on Come on Starmah get the ball rolling and build new communities that these poor people can settle in We cant even build housing for our own " We can but people keep objecting | |||
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"No such thing here as free speech. America has it right you should be free to say anything you want doesn’t matter who it offends the freedom to offend comes with freedom of speech " As long as its not against the president though.. | |||
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"No such thing here as free speech. America has it right you should be free to say anything you want doesn’t matter who it offends the freedom to offend comes with freedom of speech As long as its not against the president though.. " Why are people so nasty to Trump. Haters will always hate. Accept democracy for what it is. The man with the most votes wins. Simples | |||
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"No such thing here as free speech. America has it right you should be free to say anything you want doesn’t matter who it offends the freedom to offend comes with freedom of speech As long as its not against the president though.. Why are people so nasty to Trump. Haters will always hate. Accept democracy for what it is. The man with the most votes wins. Simples" Except when he lost and wouldn't except it. | |||
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"No such thing here as free speech. America has it right you should be free to say anything you want doesn’t matter who it offends the freedom to offend comes with freedom of speech As long as its not against the president though.. Why are people so nasty to Trump. Haters will always hate. Accept democracy for what it is. The man with the most votes wins. Simples Except when he lost and wouldn't except it. " Wasnt that the BBC editing ? Sue the bastards. Stop the BBC. | |||
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"We should all be a lot more tolerant and understanding of one anothers customs religions and beliefs The Uk is a wide open door for anyone that choses to come here, that is why they choose to come here for a better life. We would all do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. We have 17 guys in our block of flats that came here by small boat They are all friendly and keen to work once they eventually get their permit to work They came here from some pretty awful places to feel safe We are all human We should celebrate the fact that we live in a free country and welcome in others who want to live here "Send them back to safe france . | |||
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"No such thing here as free speech. America has it right you should be free to say anything you want doesn’t matter who it offends the freedom to offend comes with freedom of speech As long as its not against the president though.. Why are people so nasty to Trump. Haters will always hate. Accept democracy for what it is. The man with the most votes wins. Simples Except when he lost and wouldn't except it. Wasnt that the BBC editing ? Sue the bastards. Stop the BBC." No. | |||
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"We should all be a lot more tolerant and understanding of one anothers customs religions and beliefs The Uk is a wide open door for anyone that choses to come here, that is why they choose to come here for a better life. We would all do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. We have 17 guys in our block of flats that came here by small boat They are all friendly and keen to work once they eventually get their permit to work They came here from some pretty awful places to feel safe We are all human We should celebrate the fact that we live in a free country and welcome in others who want to live here
Send them back to safe france ."But then the poor French would be absolutely inundated with dusky doctors/engineers/architects. "Sacrebleu! Notre coupe déborde déjà de la crème des talents immigrés!" | |||
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"We should all be a lot more tolerant and understanding of one anothers customs religions and beliefs The Uk is a wide open door for anyone that choses to come here, that is why they choose to come here for a better life. We would all do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. We have 17 guys in our block of flats that came here by small boat They are all friendly and keen to work once they eventually get their permit to work They came here from some pretty awful places to feel safe We are all human We should celebrate the fact that we live in a free country and welcome in others who want to live here
Send them back to safe france .
But then the poor French would be absolutely inundated with dusky doctors/engineers/architects.
"Sacrebleu! Notre coupe déborde déjà de la crème des talents immigrés!""Let them become legal over there and then actualy apply and entre the country with a job already. . Not a lot to ask | |||
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"We should all be a lot more tolerant and understanding of one anothers customs religions and beliefs The Uk is a wide open door for anyone that choses to come here, that is why they choose to come here for a better life. We would all do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. We have 17 guys in our block of flats that came here by small boat They are all friendly and keen to work once they eventually get their permit to work They came here from some pretty awful places to feel safe We are all human We should celebrate the fact that we live in a free country and welcome in others who want to live here
Send them back to safe france .
But then the poor French would be absolutely inundated with dusky doctors/engineers/architects.
"Sacrebleu! Notre coupe déborde déjà de la crème des talents immigrés!"
Let them become legal over there and then actualy apply and entre the country with a job already. .
Not a lot to ask "I'd rather they stay in France .. All of them | |||
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"We should all be a lot more tolerant and understanding of one anothers customs religions and beliefs The Uk is a wide open door for anyone that choses to come here, that is why they choose to come here for a better life. We would all do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. We have 17 guys in our block of flats that came here by small boat They are all friendly and keen to work once they eventually get their permit to work They came here from some pretty awful places to feel safe We are all human We should celebrate the fact that we live in a free country and welcome in others who want to live here
Send them back to safe france .
But then the poor French would be absolutely inundated with dusky doctors/engineers/architects.
"Sacrebleu! Notre coupe déborde déjà de la crème des talents immigrés!"
Let them become legal over there and then actualy apply and entre the country with a job already. .
Not a lot to ask
I'd rather they stay in France .. All of them "Ultimately, it is the responsibility of our esteemed migrant ministers. They will inform you regarding who is responsible for making the decision. | |||
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"These chancers are fleeing war torn France. Sink the boats. " Oh so now, not stop the boats, but sink them. So commit murder then. Thats a new step. | |||
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"I agree sinking the boats would be wrong, all that nasty neoprene rubbish floating about. No just ignore the boats, let them land (if they make it) give them nothing in the way of accommodation or food or any help. Watch how quick it stops "Sadly the humane, softly-softly approach has clearly failed, and we're facing a mounting crisis, likely to result in widespread rioting that seriously risks lives – British and foreign. Protecting our own British people must come first! To paraphrase a certain past and greatly admired premier, 'We must defend these islands, whatever the cost may be! | |||
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"I agree sinking the boats would be wrong, all that nasty neoprene rubbish floating about. No just ignore the boats, let them land (if they make it) give them nothing in the way of accommodation or food or any help. Watch how quick it stops "That would still basically be murder and or would just make them commit crime when they are hungry. Better to speed up the processing and send them back when they fail. | |||
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"I agree sinking the boats would be wrong, all that nasty neoprene rubbish floating about. No just ignore the boats, let them land (if they make it) give them nothing in the way of accommodation or food or any help. Watch how quick it stops "Just let them work and pay their own way if they're refused asylum kick them out. | |||
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"I agree sinking the boats would be wrong, all that nasty neoprene rubbish floating about. No just ignore the boats, let them land (if they make it) give them nothing in the way of accommodation or food or any help. Watch how quick it stops
That would still basically be murder and or would just make them commit crime when they are hungry.
Better to speed up the processing and send them back when they fail. "How can you murder someone when you're nowhere near them? (Maybe you should look up the definition of murder). And if they commit crime then lock them up and that automatically speeds up the booting out process. | |||
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"I agree sinking the boats would be wrong, all that nasty neoprene rubbish floating about. No just ignore the boats, let them land (if they make it) give them nothing in the way of accommodation or food or any help. Watch how quick it stops
That would still basically be murder and or would just make them commit crime when they are hungry.
Better to speed up the processing and send them back when they fail. "As I said previously, the humane approach has failed, I certainly agree that it's important to accelerate the necessary legal amendments, and return them via the means necessary. The ultimate objective has to be national defence and the protection of our people and our domestic affairs. | |||
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"I agree sinking the boats would be wrong, all that nasty neoprene rubbish floating about. No just ignore the boats, let them land (if they make it) give them nothing in the way of accommodation or food or any help. Watch how quick it stops
That would still basically be murder and or would just make them commit crime when they are hungry.
Better to speed up the processing and send them back when they fail.
As I said previously, the humane approach has failed, I certainly agree that it's important to accelerate the necessary legal amendments, and return them via the means necessary. The ultimate objective has to be national defence and the protection of our people and our domestic affairs. "Yes exactly, which they seem to be doing via legal routes as any decent country should. Noting how other countries such a Denmark work and attempting to do the same while speeding up processing is a good step forward. Incidentally. Obviously Churchil had the help of other people including poles, Sikhs, etc to defeat fascists. | |||
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"Sink the boat!!!!!!Surely, you take great pride in your cultural heritage, jester???" I don't believe in murdering anyone sea. | |||
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"Sink the boat!!!!!!Surely, you take great pride in your cultural heritage, jester??? I don't believe in murdering anyone sea. " Due to your kind nature, I was conversing with individuals who possess a generous spirit. | |||
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"Sink the boat!!!!!!Surely, you take great pride in your cultural heritage, jester??? I don't believe in murdering anyone sea. " Defending your country is not murder. Its called war. Same as Israel defending itself against Terror | |||
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"Sink the boat!!!!!!Surely, you take great pride in your cultural heritage, jester??? I don't believe in murdering anyone sea. Defending your country is not murder. Its called war. Same as Israel defending itself against Terror" *Tom* on the thread entitled 40000 , your last comment in reply to my post was that I should get over Brexit because I lost and we are not longer in Europe ,,, you seem to have misunderstood my message ,,, it was not in relation to which side won ,,, it was pointing out that those who voted for the winning side should take responsibility for the current small boat crisis ,, which they appear not to be doing ,, mainland Europe had a problem with small boats prior to 2016 , the UK didn't , ( sorry for replying on this thread but the other got too large and I really think it is an issue that those who voted for Brexit should acknowledge and own irrespective of how embarrassing it may be for them ) | |||
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"Sink the boat!!!!!!Surely, you take great pride in your cultural heritage, jester??? I don't believe in murdering anyone sea. Defending your country is not murder. Its called war. Same as Israel defending itself against Terror *Tom* on the thread entitled 40000 , your last comment in reply to my post was that I should get over Brexit because I lost and we are not longer in Europe ,,, you seem to have misunderstood my message ,,, it was not in relation to which side won ,,, it was pointing out that those who voted for the winning side should take responsibility for the current small boat crisis ,, which they appear not to be doing ,, mainland Europe had a problem with small boats prior to 2016 , the UK didn't , ( sorry for replying on this thread but the other got too large and I really think it is an issue that those who voted for Brexit should acknowledge and own irrespective of how embarrassing it may be for them ) " Its now over 41,000. Stop the Boats | |||
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"Sink the boat!!!!!!Surely, you take great pride in your cultural heritage, jester??? I don't believe in murdering anyone sea. Defending your country is not murder. Its called war. Same as Israel defending itself against Terror *Tom* on the thread entitled 40000 , your last comment in reply to my post was that I should get over Brexit because I lost and we are not longer in Europe ,,, you seem to have misunderstood my message ,,, it was not in relation to which side won ,,, it was pointing out that those who voted for the winning side should take responsibility for the current small boat crisis ,, which they appear not to be doing ,, mainland Europe had a problem with small boats prior to 2016 , the UK didn't , ( sorry for replying on this thread but the other got too large and I really think it is an issue that those who voted for Brexit should acknowledge and own irrespective of how embarrassing it may be for them ) Its now over 41,000. Stop the Boats " You make my point for me | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. " Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this " The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) | |||
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"These chancers are fleeing war torn France. Sink the boats. " There's already enough shit in the channel with all the sewage 😆, but i get where you're coming from. 👍 | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards)" Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ?" It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. " You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? | |||
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Why?"Because he’s brain dead and ignorant of the genocide against a population. Hamas are legitimate targets not innocents in the middle, or medics, or reporters, or others in neighbouring countries.. but he seems to have missed that key point… | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? " Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. " How bright do they have to be , we only expect them to ignore any rules of the road when riding their deliveroo bikes and get the food to you while it’s still luke warm | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. " That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) " I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you?" My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, " Fair point. I'm not going to try and contradict your personal experience ... It's your own snapshot. Just not enough to see the bigger picture. | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, Fair point. I'm not going to try and contradict your personal experience ... It's your own snapshot. Just not enough to see the bigger picture. " But is the bigger picture that they are not skilled ? Unless we can provide details we just don't know ,, we can guess ,, but we don't know ,, apparently the scum that are putting these people into the boats are charging a small fortune ( allegedly I have no facts ) so they must have been clever enough to make some money somewhere , , | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards)" Why didn’t you say all of them? Are you a shy person? | |||
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" the Uk should be sending cruise ships out to countries and collect them & bring them here safely with their children and families Then provide them with housing and work permits as soon as possible Come on Starmah get your head out of the sand" What a great idea. And no need to sail directly here. Stop off at lots of different ports so their new life starts with a great holiday. I like your thinking.. | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, Fair point. I'm not going to try and contradict your personal experience ... It's your own snapshot. Just not enough to see the bigger picture. But is the bigger picture that they are not skilled ? Unless we can provide details we just don't know ,, we can guess ,, but we don't know ,, apparently the scum that are putting these people into the boats are charging a small fortune ( allegedly I have no facts ) so they must have been clever enough to make some money somewhere , , " One point we did both miss while attempting to find if the number of asylum seekers arriving by small boat were skilled or unskilled ,was the fact that they are asylum seekers so their skilled / unskilled situation is basically irrelevant | |||
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"The fact is the small boats will never stop coming, these poor people are travelling halfway around the world to come here for a better life from some awful places you and I would do the same if we were in their position Why do they come here? Because the Uk is the best cpuntry that treats them like human beings by giving them food and shelter as soon as they arrive We should be proud of that, while other countries turn their backs on them and give them nothing then just deport them or punish them like singapore does Stopping the small boats is very easy, And in doing so the people traficking illegal gabgs would be put out of business overnight the Uk should be sending cruise ships out to countries and collect them & bring them here safely with their children and families Then provide them with housing and work permits as soon as possible Come on Starmah get your head out of the sand" Typical British people who never travelled in their life thinking they are the best in the world . Lots of countries with a better standard than here just open your eyes or travel more . | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, " I have conversed with numerous individuals. Some possess above-average IQs, while others have average IQs; I have yet to encounter anyone with a below-average IQ. Interestingly, their proficiency in English was sufficient for them to identify the unpleasant individuals who aimed to sabotage their efforts. | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, I have conversed with numerous individuals. Some possess above-average IQs, while others have average IQs; I have yet to encounter anyone with a below-average IQ. Interestingly, their proficiency in English was sufficient for them to identify the unpleasant individuals who aimed to sabotage their efforts. " You put them through IQ tests? ... Crikey, you're nothing if not thorough. Which one did you use on the numerous individuals you have conversed with? Wechsler scales (WAIS-V): ... Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales ... Reasoning and Intelligence online test (RIOT) perhaps? | |||
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"Now Tom has never attended any political march or cause. Apparently the Chief of Police and the Government will now sanction arrests on pro Palestine marches if the protesters display signs or chant the slogan, Globalise In****da. I am not sure if that phrase is good or bad but what the F is going on here? Genuinly confused.com" Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences and if you support terrorists and terrorist supporters then you get what you deserve after all the law is the law | |||
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"Now Tom has never attended any political march or cause. Apparently the Chief of Police and the Government will now sanction arrests on pro Palestine marches if the protesters display signs or chant the slogan, Globalise In****da. I am not sure if that phrase is good or bad but what the F is going on here? Genuinly confused.com Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences and if you support terrorists and terrorist supporters then you get what you deserve after all the law is the law " Yes and Greta Thunderberg just arrested I read under legislation | |||
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"The fact is the small boats will never stop coming, these poor people are travelling halfway around the world to come here for a better life from some awful places you and I would do the same if we were in their position Why do they come here? Because the Uk is the best cpuntry that treats them like human beings by giving them food and shelter as soon as they arrive We should be proud of that, while other countries turn their backs on them and give them nothing then just deport them or punish them like singapore does Stopping the small boats is very easy, And in doing so the people traficking illegal gabgs would be put out of business overnight the Uk should be sending cruise ships out to countries and collect them & bring them here safely with their children and families Then provide them with housing and work permits as soon as possible Come on Starmah get your head out of the sand" I can’t tell if this is serious or a pisstake!! | |||
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"Is Greta now classed as a terror suspect. Not in my book. " No, she's moe like electric cars, just a waste of space !! | |||
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"The fact is the small boats will never stop coming, these poor people are travelling halfway around the world to come here for a better life from some awful places you and I would do the same if we were in their position Why do they come here? Because the Uk is the best cpuntry that treats them like human beings by giving them food and shelter as soon as they arrive We should be proud of that, while other countries turn their backs on them and give them nothing then just deport them or punish them like singapore does Stopping the small boats is very easy, And in doing so the people traficking illegal gabgs would be put out of business overnight the Uk should be sending cruise ships out to countries and collect them & bring them here safely with their children and families Then provide them with housing and work permits as soon as possible Come on Starmah get your head out of the sand I can’t tell if this is serious or a pisstake!!" Any Human life should be equal to and just as important as the rest Every civilised country should help them like the uk does Then the world would be a better place Its not their fault they were born into war torn poverty stricken socially deprived countries If we were in their shoes we would do exactly the same for a better life | |||
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"Is Greta now classed as a terror suspect. Not in my book. No, she's moe like electric cars, just a waste of space !!" Pity she doesn't self combust Tesla style 🔥🔥🔥 | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, I have conversed with numerous individuals. Some possess above-average IQs, while others have average IQs; I have yet to encounter anyone with a below-average IQ. Interestingly, their proficiency in English was sufficient for them to identify the unpleasant individuals who aimed to sabotage their efforts. You put them through IQ tests? ... Crikey, you're nothing if not thorough. Which one did you use on the numerous individuals you have conversed with? Wechsler scales (WAIS-V): ... Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales ... Reasoning and Intelligence online test (RIOT) perhaps? " Yes that was after your English test | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, I have conversed with numerous individuals. Some possess above-average IQs, while others have average IQs; I have yet to encounter anyone with a below-average IQ. Interestingly, their proficiency in English was sufficient for them to identify the unpleasant individuals who aimed to sabotage their efforts. You put them through IQ tests? ... Crikey, you're nothing if not thorough. Which one did you use on the numerous individuals you have conversed with? Wechsler scales (WAIS-V): ... Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales ... Reasoning and Intelligence online test (RIOT) perhaps? Yes that was after your English test " Ah I see ..... You are just making things up again ;o) | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, I have conversed with numerous individuals. Some possess above-average IQs, while others have average IQs; I have yet to encounter anyone with a below-average IQ. Interestingly, their proficiency in English was sufficient for them to identify the unpleasant individuals who aimed to sabotage their efforts. You put them through IQ tests? ... Crikey, you're nothing if not thorough. Which one did you use on the numerous individuals you have conversed with? Wechsler scales (WAIS-V): ... Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales ... Reasoning and Intelligence online test (RIOT) perhaps? Yes that was after your English test Ah I see ..... You are just making things up again ;o)" Weren't you doing the same ? | |||
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"The boats aren't going to stop ... Tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants will come across the English Channel next year and add to the UK's already considerable burden of carrying their weight & coping with the negative impact they have on British society as a whole. Any government in power needs to act decisively and expel them by any means necessary .... Even if that means upsetting the human rights brigade and breaching outdated international _aws/agreements. Do you have any figures as to how many that have arrived are unskilled ? ,, I haven't seen any information on this The vast majority can hardly speak English and are poorly educated (even by their own country of origin's pretty basic standards) Not saying you are incorrect I am saying I don't know ,, what figures do you have to back up your statement ? It's not controversial or contentious to state that Cross-channel illegal migrants arriving in the UK have far lower average skill levels compared to those arriving through legal work routes/with work visas. I don't have, or need figures to back that statement up either. You probably do need figures and statements to back up your claim otherwise your claim is merely a claim and although it might be correct might also be incorrect , otherwise it is as unprovable as saying people who voted for Brexit were not as intelligent as those who voted remain , it's just something that someone says ,, once again I am not saying you are wrong but do you have any proof to show you are correct ? Sorry, just giving my opinions ... not making a formal presentation at a parliamentary Select Committee. Feel free to study the matter in greater detail and come up with any officially recorded statistics/numbers if so desired. That's a fair point , well made , I actually thought that as you made the "statement" you might have been able to back it up with proof , I was merely interested wether your statement was fact , but apparently guess work ( might be a correct guess but a guess all the same ) I think it's more than a shot in the dark somehow. I'd be extremely surprised to be proven wrong. What do your casual observations and instincts tell you? My observations from talking to people who have come here are that you are wrong BUT the number of people I have spoken to is very low ( so you might be right ) I was prepared to accept your assumptions which is why I wondered if they were from official figures , but apparently not ,, I genuinely have not got an issue with anyone having an *opinion* one way or the other , the small boat issue is a MAJOR problem , but there is a issue of misinformation which is not helping , mainly caused , not by people on FAB but by political people who should know better ,, I have conversed with numerous individuals. Some possess above-average IQs, while others have average IQs; I have yet to encounter anyone with a below-average IQ. Interestingly, their proficiency in English was sufficient for them to identify the unpleasant individuals who aimed to sabotage their efforts. You put them through IQ tests? ... Crikey, you're nothing if not thorough. Which one did you use on the numerous individuals you have conversed with? Wechsler scales (WAIS-V): ... Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales ... Reasoning and Intelligence online test (RIOT) perhaps? Yes that was after your English test Ah I see ..... You are just making things up again ;o) Weren't you doing the same ? " Not at all ... Anyone with an average IQ would be able to see that. | |||
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