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"...and once Iran has been sorted out and liberated from its odious tyrants could the US goodwill and drive for freedom be extended to the slightly democracy-challenged petro-tyrannies next door? Plenty to choose from along the shores of the Persian Gulf 🤦🏽♂️"Western interference in the Middle East is what caused most of the problems the region is faced with now. We should learn to leave them and their neighbours alone. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference" The Arab Spring didn't really go well though | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference" 100 percent agreed . I believe this time it will occur. The reasons for this are that the individuals on the streets have nothing left to lose. The inflation and economic situation in Iran are the worst they have ever been in history. There is no freedom, no internet, and no future. The mullahs are unable to create conditions that are even slightly better than they were a month ago; all they do is kill people. The younger generation is exhausted by the religion that has regressed the country by a century. They are clearly demanding a modern and democratic nation. This time, they have a legitimate opposition leader. I'm not sure if you've noticed the number of people in protests in the capital city, Tehran, chanting his name, the son of the late Shah. They refuse to leave streets any longer. The next five to six days are extremely critical, and Iran's freedom could be achieved if they can take control of the streets. The dirty mullah Khamenei will have to seek refuge near Bashar Assad in Russia, but I seriously doubt that Putin will provide him with a safe haven. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference The Arab Spring didn't really go well though" The characteristics of the regimes they oppose are completely distinct. For Iranians, things can not get worse than the situation they're currently in. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference" ...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada..." Precisely. I imagine most of the protesters don't remember what Iran was like under the Shah.  | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... Precisely. I imagine most of the protesters don't remember what Iran was like under the Shah. "At least the capital had water. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... Precisely. I imagine most of the protesters don't remember what Iran was like under the Shah.
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada..." What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada..." Was the Shah's regime oppressive? Fine it wasn't perfect. Democracy existed but it was a bit of a sham. Some political parties were banned and their leaders locked up. There was a certain amount of censorship. Still quite common in a lot of Asian, African and South American countries. However Iran in those days was quite westernised and nowhere near as oppressed as it has been since the mad mullahs have been in control. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... Was the Shah's regime oppressive? Fine it wasn't perfect. Democracy existed but it was a bit of a sham. Some political parties were banned and their leaders locked up. There was a certain amount of censorship. Still quite common in a lot of Asian, African and South American countries. However Iran in those days was quite westernised and nowhere near as oppressed as it has been since the mad mullahs have been in control." Revolution is an ugly business and often seen as a final act of desperation. I don't think people engage in it if things 'aren't that bad'. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... Was the Shah's regime oppressive? Fine it wasn't perfect. Democracy existed but it was a bit of a sham. Some political parties were banned and their leaders locked up. There was a certain amount of censorship. Still quite common in a lot of Asian, African and South American countries. However Iran in those days was quite westernised and nowhere near as oppressed as it has been since the mad mullahs have been in control. Revolution is an ugly business and often seen as a final act of desperation. I don't think people engage in it if things 'aren't that bad'." The 1979 revolution in Iran was a strange one. More religious than anything. Definitely not about replacing the Shah's fairly benevolent dictatorship with a free democracy. Far from it. The 'democracy' the ayatollahs introduced was an even bigger sham. Stringent and oppressive religious laws were introduced. Women were relegated to being very much 2nd class citizens compelled to dress in a certain way in public and had a lot of their rights removed. Plus the likes of 'us on this site' were victims of even more oppression whereby you can be imprisoned or executed or given the stark choice of a compulsory sex change. | |||
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"The dictatorship in Max has completely shut down the internet across the entire country, along with the telephone lines, to shoot and kill protesters in the streets. The hospitals are overwhelmed with injuries, particularly those shot in the eyes. This situation illustrates how corrupt the combination of religion and dictatorship can be. It is no surprise that the entire Middle East is in chaos due to the ayatollahs. Hopefully, the courageous Iranians will rid themselves of these tyrants after nearly 50 years of being held hostage." The shah in exile would sign over any oil rights to the USA just to get his thieving corrupted family back at the trough Trump also appears to be backing the killing of protesters , unfortunately that it was a victim from the LGBTQ community | |||
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"The dictatorship in Max has completely shut down the internet across the entire country, along with the telephone lines, to shoot and kill protesters in the streets. The hospitals are overwhelmed with injuries, particularly those shot in the eyes. This situation illustrates how corrupt the combination of religion and dictatorship can be. It is no surprise that the entire Middle East is in chaos due to the ayatollahs. Hopefully, the courageous Iranians will rid themselves of these tyrants after nearly 50 years of being held hostage. The shah in exile would sign over any oil rights to the USA just to get his thieving corrupted family back at the trough Trump also appears to be backing the killing of protesters , unfortunately that it was a victim from the LGBTQ community " Are you exploring the sites supported by mullahs and amplifying their voices? Why do you claim they are corrupt? What actions have they taken? | |||
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"All recent agreements and minnow country afillitions is over! The new world order has returned to pre first war colonial status! Might is right... and the USA, Russia and China will be carving up the world with new bounderys, resource and land grabs! Europe had better wake up quick if it wants to stay in the game! Oh, Greenland will be known as Trumpland from now on. Probably a good thing, eh! "i think you are correct,people need to wake up to reality of whats going on ,i think many have their heads buried in the sand. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... Was the Shah's regime oppressive? Fine it wasn't perfect. Democracy existed but it was a bit of a sham. Some political parties were banned and their leaders locked up. There was a certain amount of censorship. Still quite common in a lot of Asian, African and South American countries. However Iran in those days was quite westernised and nowhere near as oppressed as it has been since the mad mullahs have been in control." You truly hit the mark, and I completely concur that the Shah regime never appeared to be oppressive. He provided women with voting rights, enhanced education and literacy, developed infrastructure such as roads and railways, promoted economic growth through state-driven industrialisation, and improved healthcare. To claim he was oppressive is utterly nonsensical and merely reflects the propaganda of the mullahs. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was." ...America created the environment for the mullahs to take over | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... Was the Shah's regime oppressive? Fine it wasn't perfect. Democracy existed but it was a bit of a sham. Some political parties were banned and their leaders locked up. There was a certain amount of censorship. Still quite common in a lot of Asian, African and South American countries. However Iran in those days was quite westernised and nowhere near as oppressed as it has been since the mad mullahs have been in control." ...you just agreed with me...the shah was propped up by the Americans...they wanted the oil....they created a breeding ground for revolution Now they're doing the same in Venezuela...they never seem to learn from their mistakes...a mixture of ignorance and arrogance. They talk about their military might...even though they've never won a war on their own.9/11 didn't happen in a vacuum. I'm not condoning violence, but I'm sure there will be consequences for the actions of the lunatic in the Whitehouse...its just a matter of time. | |||
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"The dictatorship in Max has completely shut down the internet across the entire country, along with the telephone lines, to shoot and kill protesters in the streets. The hospitals are overwhelmed with injuries, particularly those shot in the eyes. This situation illustrates how corrupt the combination of religion and dictatorship can be. It is no surprise that the entire Middle East is in chaos due to the ayatollahs. Hopefully, the courageous Iranians will rid themselves of these tyrants after nearly 50 years of being held hostage. The shah in exile would sign over any oil rights to the USA just to get his thieving corrupted family back at the trough Trump also appears to be backing the killing of protesters , unfortunately that it was a victim from the LGBTQ community Are you exploring the sites supported by mullahs and amplifying their voices? Why do you claim they are corrupt? What actions have they taken?" The origins of this culture of corruption trace back to the reign of Reza Shah, the founder of the Pahlavi dynasty. His aggressive land acquisitions—often involving the imprisonment of landowners until they surrendered their properties—set a precedent for state-sanctioned exploitation. This early practice laid the groundwork for the elite’s accumulation of wealth at the expense of the broader populace, reinforcing a pattern of coercion and entitlement that would persist under his son, Mohammad Reza Shah. Under Mohammad Reza Shah, the scope of corruption expanded. Financial scandals involving key figures such as Prince Hamid Reza, who was implicated in drug trafficking and other illicit activities, highlighted the impunity enjoyed by those close to the throne. A state-sponsored study once documented extensive corruption within the royal circle and among senior officials, but the Shah dismissed the findings as fabricated attacks, shielding his inner circle from accountability. This refusal to confront corruption not only alienated reformists but also deepened the public’s sense of betrayal. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was....America created the environment for the mullahs to take over " It is not particularly important who was responsible for that atm ; you are referring to events from 50 years ago. While I concur with that point, it is also true that Europeans provided significant assistance and sheltered that terrorist for many years. The intent of this discussion was to focus on the present circumstances and the current regime, specifically to identify these unpleasant mullahs. That is the essence of this thread. | |||
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"The dictatorship in Max has completely shut down the internet across the entire country, along with the telephone lines, to shoot and kill protesters in the streets. The hospitals are overwhelmed with injuries, particularly those shot in the eyes. This situation illustrates how corrupt the combination of religion and dictatorship can be. It is no surprise that the entire Middle East is in chaos due to the ayatollahs. Hopefully, the courageous Iranians will rid themselves of these tyrants after nearly 50 years of being held hostage. The shah in exile would sign over any oil rights to the USA just to get his thieving corrupted family back at the trough Trump also appears to be backing the killing of protesters , unfortunately that it was a victim from the LGBTQ community Are you exploring the sites supported by mullahs and amplifying their voices? Why do you claim they are corrupt? What actions have they taken? The origins of this culture of corruption trace back to the reign of Reza Shah, the founder of the Pahlavi dynasty. His aggressive land acquisitions—often involving the imprisonment of landowners until they surrendered their properties—set a precedent for state-sanctioned exploitation. This early practice laid the groundwork for the elite’s accumulation of wealth at the expense of the broader populace, reinforcing a pattern of coercion and entitlement that would persist under his son, Mohammad Reza Shah. Under Mohammad Reza Shah, the scope of corruption expanded. Financial scandals involving key figures such as Prince Hamid Reza, who was implicated in drug trafficking and other illicit activities, highlighted the impunity enjoyed by those close to the throne. A state-sponsored study once documented extensive corruption within the royal circle and among senior officials, but the Shah dismissed the findings as fabricated attacks, shielding his inner circle from accountability. This refusal to confront corruption not only alienated reformists but also deepened the public’s sense of betrayal. " Regrettably, your understanding of Iran is limited, and once again, I encourage you to educate yourself before disseminating negativity, particularly regarding individuals who have contributed significantly to the nation's progress towards modernity until the mullahs came and disrupted it. . Really mean it. When it comes to Infrastructure Development, Reza Shah is most famous for building the Trans-Iranian Railway, which connected the Persian Gulf to the Caspian Sea. In terms of Education and Healthcare, he set up a modern, secular education system, leading to the establishment of the University of Tehran in 1934, the first national university. Reza Shah effectively unified Iran with a strong central government and formed a disciplined national army that put down rebellious tribal movements. Overall, Reza Shah's reign marked a time of major advancements in modernising Iran's state and infrastructure. Please go and research more about Iran before reza shah and after he left and see the differences . Same about the shah but don’t want to talk now about history as the thread has been hijacked already. | |||
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"Usually it’s the army that make the difference Once the powers lose that it’s game over " Absolutely  | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was....America created the environment for the mullahs to take over It is not particularly important who was responsible for that atm ; you are referring to events from 50 years ago. While I concur with that point, it is also true that Europeans provided significant assistance and sheltered that terrorist for many years. The intent of this discussion was to focus on the present circumstances and the current regime, specifically to identify these unpleasant mullahs. That is the essence of this thread." ...you're missing the point...its all about the history...you sound American... | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was....America created the environment for the mullahs to take over It is not particularly important who was responsible for that atm ; you are referring to events from 50 years ago. While I concur with that point, it is also true that Europeans provided significant assistance and sheltered that terrorist for many years. The intent of this discussion was to focus on the present circumstances and the current regime, specifically to identify these unpleasant mullahs. That is the essence of this thread....you're missing the point...it’s all about the history...you sound American..." How am I missing the point? I initiated this thread, but I do not wish to delve into the historical context of Iran. My focus is on the current oppressive regime that is executing individuals in the streets and has effectively taken the nation hostage at this time. This is an extremely perilous situation, as another massacre is occurring, and the people are unable to communicate with the outside world. They have shut down all means of communication to facilitate these killings. It is a deeply tragic situation for them. I am not interested in discussing events from 60 years ago regarding Iran; that is not the issue at hand. Although I am not American, I have observed you in numerous threads where you derail the conversation to criticize America and Trump, instead of engaging with others' perspectives. | |||
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"...and once Iran has been sorted out and liberated from its odious tyrants could the US goodwill and drive for freedom be extended to the slightly democracy-challenged petro-tyrannies next door? Plenty to choose from along the shores of the Persian Gulf 🤦🏽♂️"Or even in the UK | |||
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"But it’s ok for Netanyahu and the zionists to kill thousands and thousand of people, including women and children’s, reduce Gaza to rubble, deliberately block food aid. Couldn’t make up the hypocrisy " Did anyone mention Netanyahu on this thread? | |||
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"But it’s ok for Netanyahu and the zionists to kill thousands and thousand of people, including women and children’s, reduce Gaza to rubble, deliberately block food aid. Couldn’t make up the hypocrisy Did anyone mention Netanyahu on this thread?" So as long as we follow your narrow narrative we can play with your ball , no historic context, no like for like actions ,no decent, An attitude that sounds a lot like the regime your trying to condemn | |||
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"Currently, the reported death toll exceeds 100, based on information from just two hospitals. Only God knows how many individuals have lost their lives, as both internet and landline services have been severed by this reprehensible regime. It is appalling to hear of people being killed in the streets by a corrupt government. " Population of Iran ninety two and a half million , so though protesters deaths in any amount are reprehensible , get some context and not the western media biased agenda | |||
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"But it’s ok for Netanyahu and the zionists to kill thousands and thousand of people, including women and children’s, reduce Gaza to rubble, deliberately block food aid. Couldn’t make up the hypocrisy Did anyone mention Netanyahu on this thread? So as long as we follow your narrow narrative we can play with your ball , no historic context, no like for like actions ,no decent, An attitude that sounds a lot like the regime your trying to condemn " I am attempting to maintain the focus on the current situation in Iran and the events occurring at this moment. I previously mentioned that the information you provided regarding Reza Shah and the Shah is inaccurate and seems to be, most likely, connected to the mullahs. Additionally, Netanyahu is not relevant to this discussion. What is the issue with that? | |||
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"Currently, the reported death toll exceeds 100, based on information from just two hospitals. Only God knows how many individuals have lost their lives, as both internet and landline services have been severed by this reprehensible regime. It is appalling to hear of people being killed in the streets by a corrupt government. Population of Iran ninety two and a half million , so though protesters deaths in any amount are reprehensible , get some context and not the western media biased agenda " Are you suggesting that it was acceptable for this regime to sever internet access in order to harm the populace? This report originates from two primary hospitals in Tehran and another city. To downplay the death toll by referencing the population figures is reprehensible. How do you perceive the context? Where do you typically obtain your information? | |||
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"Currently, the reported death toll exceeds 100, based on information from just two hospitals. Only God knows how many individuals have lost their lives, as both internet and landline services have been severed by this reprehensible regime. It is appalling to hear of people being killed in the streets by a corrupt government. Population of Iran ninety two and a half million , so though protesters deaths in any amount are reprehensible , get some context and not the western media biased agenda Are you suggesting that it was acceptable for this regime to sever internet access in order to harm the populace? This report originates from two primary hospitals in Tehran and another city. To downplay the death toll by referencing the population figures is reprehensible. How do you perceive the context? Where do you typically obtain your information? " The uk has restricted your access to open internet and alternative media outlets so what’s the difference. You state your information is coming from two hospitals in iran so not a complete news black out then | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing." Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing." I completely concur, and the circumstances would be significantly improved compared to the current state they find themselves in. The price of oil is merely six dollars a barrel for China, while gas and oil are priced like peanuts for Russia, all in exchange for military protection to maintain their grip on power. The relatives of these mullahs reside abroad, siphoning off the nation's oil and gas revenues from Iran. Billions of Iran's capital are held in foreign accounts. When you examine the inflation and currency rates, it is disheartening to compare them to 1979, a time when the Shah of Iran enjoyed favorable relations with the USA and Western nations. One should not wish for Russia and China to take control of your country, as they will exploit your resources and leave you impoverished. This is why Iranians are now demanding change, as the situation cannot deteriorate any further. | |||
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"Currently, the reported death toll exceeds 100, based on information from just two hospitals. Only God knows how many individuals have lost their lives, as both internet and landline services have been severed by this reprehensible regime. It is appalling to hear of people being killed in the streets by a corrupt government. Population of Iran ninety two and a half million , so though protesters deaths in any amount are reprehensible , get some context and not the western media biased agenda Are you suggesting that it was acceptable for this regime to sever internet access in order to harm the populace? This report originates from two primary hospitals in Tehran and another city. To downplay the death toll by referencing the population figures is reprehensible. How do you perceive the context? Where do you typically obtain your information? The uk has restricted your access to open internet and alternative media outlets so what’s the difference. You state your information is coming from two hospitals in iran so not a complete news black out then" I can furnish you with the details and the link if you are interested. The news that is available is quite limited, and it is disseminated via Starlink. Although not many individuals in Iran have access to Starlink, there are some who do. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was....America created the environment for the mullahs to take over It is not particularly important who was responsible for that atm ; you are referring to events from 50 years ago. While I concur with that point, it is also true that Europeans provided significant assistance and sheltered that terrorist for many years. The intent of this discussion was to focus on the present circumstances and the current regime, specifically to identify these unpleasant mullahs. That is the essence of this thread....you're missing the point...it’s all about the history...you sound American... How am I missing the point? I initiated this thread, but I do not wish to delve into the historical context of Iran. My focus is on the current oppressive regime that is executing individuals in the streets and has effectively taken the nation hostage at this time. This is an extremely perilous situation, as another massacre is occurring, and the people are unable to communicate with the outside world. They have shut down all means of communication to facilitate these killings. It is a deeply tragic situation for them. I am not interested in discussing events from 60 years ago regarding Iran; that is not the issue at hand. Although I am not American, I have observed you in numerous threads where you derail the conversation to criticize America and Trump, instead of engaging with others' perspectives." ....how do you feel then about Israel denying foreign news reporters from entering gaza... or ice agents executing individuals on the streets...same shit different day...wouldn't you agree...btw if you think I'm derailing "your " thread...get on to admin...they will tell you that this is how conversations work... | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing." ...the return of the shah...chapter 2 | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing?" America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try. | |||
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"True change must come from within. The Iranian people, known for their patriotism, would never willingly destroy government property. Spies are at work, and they seek to undermine the revolution. A democratic, prosperous, and free Iran is seen as a threat by regional players—from Israel to the UAE. Let us pray for the safety of innocents. Let us pray for change that emerges from within the country. Let us pray for a united Iran, not another failed nation." However, individuals are firing at the eyes of people from those buildings. I too wish that they would exit those buildings, disarm, and cease the violence. Otherwise, they will face greater consequences than they currently anticipate from the Iranian people. The Iranian government is a repressive fascist regime that must be removed. A significant number of countries in the Middle East would welcome their departure. What issues are present with the UAE? I do not comprehend. | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try." ...you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... | |||
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"...and once Iran has been sorted out and liberated from its odious tyrants could the US goodwill and drive for freedom be extended to the slightly democracy-challenged petro-tyrannies next door? Plenty to choose from along the shores of the Persian Gulf 🤦🏽♂️
Western interference in the Middle East is what caused most of the problems the region is faced with now. We should learn to leave them and their neighbours alone."probably the smartest comment anyone could have made, gets exhausting constantly hearing interference being used as an excuse for moronic immigration ideals. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was....America created the environment for the mullahs to take over It is not particularly important who was responsible for that atm ; you are referring to events from 50 years ago. While I concur with that point, it is also true that Europeans provided significant assistance and sheltered that terrorist for many years. The intent of this discussion was to focus on the present circumstances and the current regime, specifically to identify these unpleasant mullahs. That is the essence of this thread....you're missing the point...it’s all about the history...you sound American... How am I missing the point? I initiated this thread, but I do not wish to delve into the historical context of Iran. My focus is on the current oppressive regime that is executing individuals in the streets and has effectively taken the nation hostage at this time. This is an extremely perilous situation, as another massacre is occurring, and the people are unable to communicate with the outside world. They have shut down all means of communication to facilitate these killings. It is a deeply tragic situation for them. I am not interested in discussing events from 60 years ago regarding Iran; that is not the issue at hand. Although I am not American, I have observed you in numerous threads where you derail the conversation to criticize America and Trump, instead of engaging with others' perspectives.....how do you feel then about Israel denying foreign news reporters from entering gaza... or ice agents executing individuals on the streets...same shit different day...wouldn't you agree...btw if you think I'm derailing "your " thread...get on to admin...they will tell you that this is how conversations work... Ha ha ha , write what you like not interested in that subject # hijack ...not being interested, and not being able to deba...two totally different things.. What are we discussing? I have already updated you on the current situation in Iran, yet you are bringing up Gaza and Israel. If you wish to talk about that topic, please initiate a new thread. Stop derailing the discussions, as that seems to be your preference....im merely asking you, if you're against the same thing in gaza,as you are in Iran...can't you answer..? Why is it that you do not comprehend the distinction between these situations? Gaza and Israelis represent two separate nations. I am referring to a reprehensible regime that perpetrates violence against its own citizens. If you lack interest, that is acceptable to me; however, please discuss Iran instead of Gaza. Alternatively, you may initiate a different thread to observe the opinions of others....ok....you can't answer...thats all I wanted to know really..." I did respond. I'm happy to say it again for you. | |||
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"I sincerely hope that the evil ayatollahs and their vile, oppressive regime does come crashing down. Hopefully from within but will protesting people be enough against a highly trained fanatical army unless there are mass desertions? Hopefully the situation can be sorted without foreign interference...mabye if the USA hadn't propped up the shah and his oppresive regime.....yada yada yada... What do you think about the Europeans? That shady mullah Khomeini was hanging out in France, and they took care of him for years. Then, when the Shah left Iran, they even gave him a free flight back home. Most Iranians had no clue who that jerk was....America created the environment for the mullahs to take over It is not particularly important who was responsible for that atm ; you are referring to events from 50 years ago. While I concur with that point, it is also true that Europeans provided significant assistance and sheltered that terrorist for many years. The intent of this discussion was to focus on the present circumstances and the current regime, specifically to identify these unpleasant mullahs. That is the essence of this thread....you're missing the point...it’s all about the history...you sound American... How am I missing the point? I initiated this thread, but I do not wish to delve into the historical context of Iran. My focus is on the current oppressive regime that is executing individuals in the streets and has effectively taken the nation hostage at this time. This is an extremely perilous situation, as another massacre is occurring, and the people are unable to communicate with the outside world. They have shut down all means of communication to facilitate these killings. It is a deeply tragic situation for them. I am not interested in discussing events from 60 years ago regarding Iran; that is not the issue at hand. Although I am not American, I have observed you in numerous threads where you derail the conversation to criticize America and Trump, instead of engaging with others' perspectives.....how do you feel then about Israel denying foreign news reporters from entering gaza... or ice agents executing individuals on the streets...same shit different day...wouldn't you agree...btw if you think I'm derailing "your " thread...get on to admin...they will tell you that this is how conversations work... Ha ha ha , write what you like not interested in that subject # hijack ...not being interested, and not being able to deba...two totally different things.. What are we discussing? I have already updated you on the current situation in Iran, yet you are bringing up Gaza and Israel. If you wish to talk about that topic, please initiate a new thread. Stop derailing the discussions, as that seems to be your preference....im merely asking you, if you're against the same thing in gaza,as you are in Iran...can't you answer..? Why is it that you do not comprehend the distinction between these situations? Gaza and Israelis represent two separate nations. I am referring to a reprehensible regime that perpetrates violence against its own citizens. If you lack interest, that is acceptable to me; however, please discuss Iran instead of Gaza. Alternatively, you may initiate a different thread to observe the opinions of others....ok....you can't answer...thats all I wanted to know really... I did respond. I'm happy to say it again for you." ...responding and answering...two different things...btw...im pro democracy.. in all countries...not just the one's I favour | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try....you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... Being the expert on all things I suppose you know better ...didn't you already agree with me that America propped up the shah's dictatorship...?....wouthis be another "installation " by the yanks?...you know about the definition of insanity I'm sure..."Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest. | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try....you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... Being the expert on all things I suppose you know better ...didn't you already agree with me that America propped up the shah's dictatorship...?....wouthis be another "installation " by the yanks?...you know about the definition of insanity I'm sure...
Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest."...the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth . Will he give it back, or will he steal more...? Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in? | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try....you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... Being the expert on all things I suppose you know better ...didn't you already agree with me that America propped up the shah's dictatorship...?....wouthis be another "installation " by the yanks?...you know about the definition of insanity I'm sure...
Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth .
Will he give it back, or will he steal more...?
Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in?"What utterly nonsensical information! If victory is to be claimed by the Iranians, Reza Pahlavi will undoubtedly emerge as the next leader of Iran. Does it truly matter that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth? It's all about intelligence, isn't it? Are you keeping up with the news, or are you merely browsing the Ayatollah's website? | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try....you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... Being the expert on all things I suppose you know better ...didn't you already agree with me that America propped up the shah's dictatorship...?....wouthis be another "installation " by the yanks?...you know about the definition of insanity I'm sure...
Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth .
Will he give it back, or will he steal more...?
Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in?
What utterly nonsensical information! If victory is to be claimed by the Iranians, Reza Pahlavi will undoubtedly emerge as the next leader of Iran. Does it truly matter that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth? It's all about intelligence, isn't it? Are you keeping up with the news, or are you merely browsing the Ayatollah's website?"...what did I say that wasn't true....? | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try....you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... Being the expert on all things I suppose you know better ...didn't you already agree with me that America propped up the shah's dictatorship...?....wouthis be another "installation " by the yanks?...you know about the definition of insanity I'm sure...
Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth .
Will he give it back, or will he steal more...?
Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in?
What utterly nonsensical information! If victory is to be claimed by the Iranians, Reza Pahlavi will undoubtedly emerge as the next leader of Iran. Does it truly matter that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth? It's all about intelligence, isn't it? Are you keeping up with the news, or are you merely browsing the Ayatollah's website?...what did I say that wasn't true....?"Pahlavi's wealth actually came from rightful inheritances and smart investments. The term 'st*len' was claimed by the post revolutionary government and IRGC their terrorist organisation. and also about his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics , The assertion is quite inexpensive, lacking any credible source | |||
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"If the evil Ayatollahs and mad mullahs are overthrown and Crown Prince Reza does become head of an American backed transitional government, then surely that would be a good thing. So the Americans want Iranian oil. Great. It would bring great economic prosperity to this beleaguered country plus the oppressed people could enjoy some freedom as well. Hardly a bad thing. Yes because when has American intervention ever been a good thing? America has made blunders in the past. No real thought for the future. Certainly happened in Iraq where G.W.Bush, and his pet poodle Blair, though the Iraqi people would graciously accept a westernised democracy and live happily ever after. Afghanistan was another disaster. Both those troubled countries have warring ethnic and religious groups that will probably never be reconciled. Will Iran be different? We don't know. It certainly seemed quite a happy westernised country when I went there to stay with an Iranian school friend in the early '70s when I was about 17/18. Could it be again after 47 years of dark age oppression? Certainly worth a try....you certainly know how to gloss over facts that don't suit your narrative.... Being the expert on all things I suppose you know better ...didn't you already agree with me that America propped up the shah's dictatorship...?....wouthis be another "installation " by the yanks?...you know about the definition of insanity I'm sure...
Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth .
Will he give it back, or will he steal more...?
Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in?
What utterly nonsensical information! If victory is to be claimed by the Iranians, Reza Pahlavi will undoubtedly emerge as the next leader of Iran. Does it truly matter that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth? It's all about intelligence, isn't it? Are you keeping up with the news, or are you merely browsing the Ayatollah's website?...what did I say that wasn't true....?
Pahlavi's wealth actually came from rightful inheritances and smart investments. The term 'st*len' was claimed by the post revolutionary government and IRGC their terrorist organisation.
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" Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth . Will he give it back, or will he steal more...? Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in?" Doesn't really matter what I think or say because you will disagree with me just for the say of it. | |||
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" Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth . Will he give it back, or will he steal more...? Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in? Doesn't really matter what I think or say because you will disagree with me just for the say of it. "and if you say it he has 5 more questions after  | |||
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" Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth . Will he give it back, or will he steal more...? Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in? Doesn't really matter what I think or say because you will disagree with me just for the say of it. "....its called debating... | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack " .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...?" Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you | |||
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" Hopefully the new Shah, should he accede to his father's throne, will have learnt from his father's mistakes. Yes the old Shah-ist regime was a dictatorship if a fairly benevolent one compared to what has gone on since. From my own brief experience--on week in the early '70s--Tehran was a fairly vibrant city. Very westernised and with a cafe culture. Not much different to say London or Paris. Surely even that would be better that the oppressive Ayatollahs regime. Plus American backing could do wonders for the Iranian economy which is currently in dire straits and the spark that has lit the current unrest....the "new shah"...his dad stole between 100 million to a billion$ in 1979 on the way out the door, so this man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth . Will he give it back, or will he steal more...? Again...his dad, with the help of America sowed the seeds for the religious fanatics. What do you think he will do differently, if he gets in? Doesn't really matter what I think or say because you will disagree with me just for the say of it. ....its called debating..."Do you genuinely believe you can engage in a debate? Debate about what exactly? So far, all you've mentioned is that Shah assisted the USA and brought the Ayatollahs into power? Is that truly the extent of your knowledge? Are you aware of how long it took after 1979 for the mullahs to become fanatics? It seems challenging for you, and you don't seem to research much since you struggle in discussions. Do you have any knowledge about jebheye Melli, cherikhaye fadii, Hezbe toodeh, or the Mojahedin after the 1979 revolution? They were not fanatics and played a significant role in the early stages of the revolution. I prefer not to engage in conversation about 1979 with someone who merely knows anything but repeats phrases and labels others. I hope you comprehend this. | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you" ....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look" Honestly, it’s not really good for you. You didn’t manage to answer all those questions above, and it seems like you’re agreeing with what I said. You might not be a fan of the mullahs, but all the info you’re throwing at me about the Shah sto*le the country’s money and all that is coming from the mullahs, and you’re just repeating their narrative. The main difference between the Shah and the Ayatollahs is that the latter have the power, but the oil and gas money ends up in their accounts abroad. The Shah used that money for modernisation and improving the country’s health system, while the mullahs, on the other hand, are stealing that money and killing people in the streets. That’s the real difference. It seems like you haven’t seen much of the Shah’s era, but you’re really into this debate. | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look Honestly, it’s not really good for you. You didn’t manage to answer all those questions above, and it seems like you’re agreeing with what I said. You might not be a fan of the mullahs, but all the info you’re throwing at me about the Shah sto*le the country’s money and all that is coming from the mullahs, and you’re just repeating their narrative. The main difference between the Shah and the Ayatollahs is that the latter have the power, but the oil and gas money ends up in their accounts abroad. The Shah used that money for modernisation and improving the country’s health system, while the mullahs, on the other hand, are stealing that money and killing people in the streets. That’s the real difference. It seems like you haven’t seen much of the Shah’s era, but you’re really into this debate." ...wow....the shah sounds like a beacon of democracy...you forgot to mention his illegal land grabs, where he killed or imprisoned the people who opposed him. His regime was also embroiled in a huge drug smuggling operation....swept under the carpet of course....he admitted to taking 100 million with him,the people's money...not his...that's where the prince's inheritance came from. ...and you're holding him up as the "rightful heir "..?.... | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look Honestly, it’s not really good for you. You didn’t manage to answer all those questions above, and it seems like you’re agreeing with what I said. You might not be a fan of the mullahs, but all the info you’re throwing at me about the Shah sto*le the country’s money and all that is coming from the mullahs, and you’re just repeating their narrative. The main difference between the Shah and the Ayatollahs is that the latter have the power, but the oil and gas money ends up in their accounts abroad. The Shah used that money for modernisation and improving the country’s health system, while the mullahs, on the other hand, are stealing that money and killing people in the streets. That’s the real difference. It seems like you haven’t seen much of the Shah’s era, but you’re really into this debate....wow....the shah sounds like a beacon of democracy...you forgot to mention his illegal land grabs, where he killed or imprisoned the people who opposed him. His regime was also embroiled in a huge drug smuggling operation....swept under the carpet of course....he admitted to taking 100 million with him,the people's money...not his...that's where the prince's inheritance came from. ...and you're holding him up as the "rightful heir "..?...." Wow, where do you source your information from? It seems you are looking in the wrong place for details about Iran. You have completely overlooked the advancements made in Iran during Pahlavi's era, particularly in industrial growth, the oil sector, infrastructure, land reform, women's rights, education, and health. Just to highlight one fact that might surprise you, the first university in Iran was established in 1934 during Pahlavi's reign. How could he have embezzled funds if he intends to return to Iran to assist the nation now? If someone were to steal money, they would likely flee and you wouldn't hear from them again. Are you suggesting he should give his money to terrorists to facilitate more violence against innocent people? That is quite an absurd statement from you. #Hijack | |||
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"Isn't That Shah dead? " Indeed, he seems to have overlooked that this discussion pertains to the present circumstances in Iran and that the Shah's son, who has been living in exile, is markedly different from both his father and grandfather. It is akin to comparing the current king of the United Kingdom with Edward VII. I would wager that he has not listened to a single one of his speeches; nevertheless, he speaks of him as if he were his next-door neighbour. | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look Honestly, it’s not really good for you. You didn’t manage to answer all those questions above, and it seems like you’re agreeing with what I said. You might not be a fan of the mullahs, but all the info you’re throwing at me about the Shah sto*le the country’s money and all that is coming from the mullahs, and you’re just repeating their narrative. The main difference between the Shah and the Ayatollahs is that the latter have the power, but the oil and gas money ends up in their accounts abroad. The Shah used that money for modernisation and improving the country’s health system, while the mullahs, on the other hand, are stealing that money and killing people in the streets. That’s the real difference. It seems like you haven’t seen much of the Shah’s era, but you’re really into this debate....wow....the shah sounds like a beacon of democracy...you forgot to mention his illegal land grabs, where he killed or imprisoned the people who opposed him. His regime was also embroiled in a huge drug smuggling operation....swept under the carpet of course....he admitted to taking 100 million with him,the people's money...not his...that's where the prince's inheritance came from. ...and you're holding him up as the "rightful heir "..?.... Wow, where do you source your information from? It seems you are looking in the wrong place for details about Iran. You have completely overlooked the advancements made in Iran during Pahlavi's era, particularly in industrial growth, the oil sector, infrastructure, land reform, women's rights, education, and health. Just to highlight one fact that might surprise you, the first university in Iran was established in 1934 during Pahlavi's reign. How could he have embezzled funds if he intends to return to Iran to assist the nation now? If someone were to steal money, they would likely flee and you wouldn't hear from them again. Are you suggesting he should give his money to terrorists to facilitate more violence against innocent people? That is quite an absurd statement from you. #Hijack" ...the shah admitted to taking 100 million...that's a fact...mussolini built bridges, Hitler established volkswagen...what's your point...? | |||
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"Isn't That Shah dead? Indeed, he seems to have overlooked that this discussion pertains to the present circumstances in Iran and that the Shah's son, who has been living in exile, is markedly different from both his father and grandfather. It is akin to comparing the current king of the United Kingdom with Edward VII. I would wager that he has not listened to a single one of his speeches; nevertheless, he speaks of him as if he were his next-door neighbour." ...why would I need to listen to his speeches..? He's fruit of the poisoned tree, he grew up on stol#n money, he hasn't been in his home country in over 50 years...Iran needs new leadership from within, not a rich puppet with a fancy title. America or Israel don't care about ordinary Iranians...they want the oil | |||
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"Iran is an example of what happens to a country if ran by muslims" Ninety-eight percent of Iranians are Muslims; however, many do not possess the ability to read the Quran. The mullahs have attempted to impose their distorted version of religion on the populace, but these efforts have largely failed. Should this movement succeed in ousting the mullahs from power, it is likely that there would be no mosques remaining in the country. Such occurrences arise when religion becomes intertwined with military power and dictatorship. The Shah was a Muslim, yet the nation was remarkably modern, and women enjoyed complete freedom. It is not always as you suggest. I concur that numerous Muslim-majority countries lag behind, and this is largely attributable to issues within the religion itself; however, Turkey presents a slightly more modern and distinct case compared to others. | |||
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"Isn't That Shah dead? Indeed, he seems to have overlooked that this discussion pertains to the present circumstances in Iran and that the Shah's son, who has been living in exile, is markedly different from both his father and grandfather. It is akin to comparing the current king of the United Kingdom with Edward VII. I would wager that he has not listened to a single one of his speeches; nevertheless, he speaks of him as if he were his next-door neighbour....why would I need to listen to his speeches..? He's fruit of the poisoned tree, he grew up on stol#n money, he hasn't been in his home country in over 50 years...Iran needs new leadership from within, not a rich puppet with a fancy title. America or Israel don't care about ordinary Iranians...they want the oil " I typically discuss individuals when I have a clear understanding of their identities. I am not that kind of person to simply look at an article without verifying its accuracy. While I cannot compel you to listen to his speeches, you may continue to mimic what you are saying; however, honestly, you would only need a turban to achieve a perfect resemblance. Previously, you disregarded all the information I shared regarding advancements during the Pahlavi era, which are crucial for a nation more than anything else. To label them as thieves on behalf of the nation is astonishing. The people of Iran possess far greater knowledge about him than you do, and they invoke his name during their current protests. Your statement is once again utterly shocking. The more you write, the more you are 'digging your own hole.' #Hijack | |||
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"Isn't That Shah dead? Indeed, he seems to have overlooked that this discussion pertains to the present circumstances in Iran and that the Shah's son, who has been living in exile, is markedly different from both his father and grandfather. It is akin to comparing the current king of the United Kingdom with Edward VII. I would wager that he has not listened to a single one of his speeches; nevertheless, he speaks of him as if he were his next-door neighbour....why would I need to listen to his speeches..? He's fruit of the poisoned tree, he grew up on stol#n money, he hasn't been in his home country in over 50 years...Iran needs new leadership from within, not a rich puppet with a fancy title. America or Israel don't care about ordinary Iranians...they want the oil I typically discuss individuals when I have a clear understanding of their identities. I am not that kind of person to simply look at an article without verifying its accuracy. While I cannot compel you to listen to his speeches, you may continue to mimic what you are saying; however, honestly, you would only need a turban to achieve a perfect resemblance. Previously, you disregarded all the information I shared regarding advancements during the Pahlavi era, which are crucial for a nation more than anything else. To label them as thieves on behalf of the nation is astonishing. The people of Iran possess far greater knowledge about him than you do, and they invoke his name during their current protests. Your statement is once again utterly shocking. The more you write, the more you are 'digging your own hole.' #Hijack" ....hahaha...but he admitted taking the money....? I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name"...im not disputing his father did some things that were good for Iran...but he also did some fairly bad stuff...but by all means continue to paint a pretty picture of him... | |||
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"Isn't That Shah dead? Indeed, he seems to have overlooked that this discussion pertains to the present circumstances in Iran and that the Shah's son, who has been living in exile, is markedly different from both his father and grandfather. It is akin to comparing the current king of the United Kingdom with Edward VII. I would wager that he has not listened to a single one of his speeches; nevertheless, he speaks of him as if he were his next-door neighbour....why would I need to listen to his speeches..? He's fruit of the poisoned tree, he grew up on stol#n money, he hasn't been in his home country in over 50 years...Iran needs new leadership from within, not a rich puppet with a fancy title. America or Israel don't care about ordinary Iranians...they want the oil I typically discuss individuals when I have a clear understanding of their identities. I am not that kind of person to simply look at an article without verifying its accuracy. While I cannot compel you to listen to his speeches, you may continue to mimic what you are saying; however, honestly, you would only need a turban to achieve a perfect resemblance. Previously, you disregarded all the information I shared regarding advancements during the Pahlavi era, which are crucial for a nation more than anything else. To label them as thieves on behalf of the nation is astonishing. The people of Iran possess far greater knowledge about him than you do, and they invoke his name during their current protests. Your statement is once again utterly shocking. The more you write, the more you are 'digging your own hole.' #Hijack....hahaha...but he admitted taking the money....? I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name"...im not disputing his father did some things that were good for Iran...but he also did some fairly bad stuff...but by all means continue to paint a pretty picture of him..." Absolutely, he was upfront about it. If it had been sto*len money, he wouldn't have let anyone know, and besides, people could have claimed it back anyway , but he said and they didn't... But seriously, ask a mullah how much cash they have stashed away in Europe? They won't spill the beans. Just so you know, a former Iranian banker, Mahmoud Reza Khavari, who was the chairman of Bank Melli Iran, is facing accusations for being part of a $2.6 billion USD embezzlement scandal and he bolted to Canada back in 2011. Then there's the 2023 Iranian tea smuggling scandal, which was a corruption case involving Debsh Tea company that took $3.37 billion from the government fund meant for importing tea and equipment into the mullahs' accounts, and this list just keeps going... and they’re still at it. And remember what Tom Tugend said in Parliament about stealing... who knows how much money is sitting in Khamenei's account? | |||
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"The original Shit of Persia, as Private Eye rightly called him, was a USUK puppet, installed when the democratically elected Mosaddegh nationalised the British predecessor of BP, and was removed in the interests of the oil market. "Mosaddegh was subsequently charged with treason, imprisoned for three years, then put under house arrest until his death and was buried in his own home in order to prevent a political furor. In 2013, the United States government formally acknowledged its role in the coup as being a part of its foreign policy initiatives, including paying protesters and bribing officials." Wikipedia 'Mohammed Mosaddegh' If the Shit hadn't been an oppressive Shit, whose secret service was the envy of the KGB, the traditionalist Shi'a sectarians wouldn't have had a chance at power. Of the bad crow, the bad egg. Iran doesn't need an hereditary despot, any more than it needs a fundamentalist regime, but America can be guaranteed yet again to meddle in a country it apparently knows nothing about, without any care for the longer term. " ...my point exactly....although you presented it much more succinctly than me... | |||
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"It’s so sad what is happening there. I taught a dozen students from Iran a couple of years ago, who fled with their families to the UK. Lovely students , one lad saw his brother shot in a demonstration against the government just a month after his parents were killed in a car crash. He came alone and is now a skilful barber in Scarborough. He told me he would never go back under the present regime. Another student had dreams of going to Oxford University and hopefully she will get there. " The ayatollahs particularly hate the Baha'i faith (syncretist, and hence "heretical") and a lot of its members had to flee here. Genuinely escaping persecution. | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look" You seem to have convinced yourself that Crown Prince Reza will be exactly the same as his father. Doesn't necessarily follow. The late Shah ascended the throne at a very young age and was not very worldly wise. Prince Reza is much older and has seen something of the world. Should he come to power as Shah of a constitutional monarchy or just as head of an interim government, there is nothing to say he will follow in his father's footsteps. Even if he did the Iranian people would still have a better and freer life than they have under the oppressive mullahs. Plus American investment would kickstart the failing economy. | |||
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"The original Shit of Persia, as Private Eye rightly called him, was a USUK puppet, installed when the democratically elected Mosaddegh nationalised the British predecessor of BP, and was removed in the interests of the oil market. "Mosaddegh was subsequently charged with treason, imprisoned for three years, then put under house arrest until his death and was buried in his own home in order to prevent a political furor. In 2013, the United States government formally acknowledged its role in the coup as being a part of its foreign policy initiatives, including paying protesters and bribing officials." Wikipedia 'Mohammed Mosaddegh' If the Shit hadn't been an oppressive Shit, whose secret service was the envy of the KGB, the traditionalist Shi'a sectarians wouldn't have had a chance at power. Of the bad crow, the bad egg. Iran doesn't need an hereditary despot, any more than it needs a fundamentalist regime, but America can be guaranteed yet again to meddle in a country it apparently knows nothing about, without any care for the longer term. " I concur that Shah made a significant error regarding Mossadegh, particularly with the nationalization of oil, which indeed brought wealth to the nation. However, this does not imply that one should overlook the numerous positive contributions he made to Iran. I recommend that you review the points I have emphasized earlier. Nevertheless, Persia was remarkable in its own right; a thorough examination of Persian history will surely astonish you. Once again, my discussion was not intended to focus on Persia or its history; my aim was to underscore the present circumstances. Do you have any thoughts on the current situation, which is quite disheartening for all Iranians? I prefer not to delve into the historical aspects of Iran. #hijack | |||
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"It’s so sad what is happening there. I taught a dozen students from Iran a couple of years ago, who fled with their families to the UK. Lovely students , one lad saw his brother shot in a demonstration against the government just a month after his parents were killed in a car crash. He came alone and is now a skilful barber in Scarborough. He told me he would never go back under the present regime. Another student had dreams of going to Oxford University and hopefully she will get there. " I believe they've taken the lives of over a thousand people in just the past four days. I've heard a lot of troubling things from my Iranian friends; things don't seem great right now. The internet is still down, and on top of that, both mobile and landline services are out... wow. | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look You seem to have convinced yourself that Crown Prince Reza will be exactly the same as his father. Doesn't necessarily follow. The late Shah ascended the throne at a very young age and was not very worldly wise. Prince Reza is much older and has seen something of the world. Should he come to power as Shah of a constitutional monarchy or just as head of an interim government, there is nothing to say he will follow in his father's footsteps. Even if he did the Iranian people would still have a better and freer life than they have under the oppressive mullahs. Plus American investment would kickstart the failing economy." Absolutely! You made some solid points. Reza Pahlavi is 64 and he left Iran at 19. The way we connect globally now with the internet and technology is so different from 50 years ago. It would be narrow-minded to compare the two. I've seen his videos; he speaks fluent French and English, and he's really smart. He wants Iran to be a secular and democratic country, but he believes the people should decide through a general election, which is very democratic. If that happens, the Middle East could find peace. We need to move past the Taliban and the Ayatollahs. Europeans shouldn't stay silent about this situation. | |||
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"....I concur that Shah made a significant error regarding Mossadegh, particularly with the nationalization of oil, which indeed brought wealth to the nation. However, this does not imply that one should overlook the numerous positive contributions he made to Iran. I recommend that you review the points I have emphasized earlier. Nevertheless, Persia was remarkable in its own right; a thorough examination of Persian history will surely astonish you. Once again, my discussion was not intended to focus on Persia or its history; my aim was to underscore the present circumstances. Do you have any thoughts on the current situation, which is quite disheartening for all Iranians? I prefer not to delve into the historical aspects of Iran. #hijack" How the hell can you consider the present without taking account of the past? " In 2000, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright admitted America’s “significant role.” In 2009, President Barack Obama openly acknowledged that the CIA’s actions overthrew a democratic government. In 2023, the CIA itself released an audio file admitting that the coup was “undemocratic.” Even former British officials, such as ex-Foreign Secretary David Owen, have conceded that London must finally acknowledge its central role in the coup. These belated confessions underscore the coup’s enduring stain. They confirm what the Iranian people have always known: the 1953 coup was not a domestic crisis alone, but an international crime against democracy." https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/the-1953-coup-in-iran-a-turning-point-in-dictatorship-and-foreign-domination/ NCR = National Council of Resistance of Iran, which seeks a democratic government. Since you ask And please don't assume I know nothing of Iran's history, or for that matter its culture, which I deeply admire.(I have been to Rumi's tomb) | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? " ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" | |||
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"The original Shit of Persia, as Private Eye rightly called him, was a USUK puppet, installed when the democratically elected Mosaddegh nationalised the British predecessor of BP, and was removed in the interests of the oil market. "Mosaddegh was subsequently charged with treason, imprisoned for three years, then put under house arrest until his death and was buried in his own home in order to prevent a political furor. In 2013, the United States government formally acknowledged its role in the coup as being a part of its foreign policy initiatives, including paying protesters and bribing officials." Wikipedia 'Mohammed Mosaddegh' If the Shit hadn't been an oppressive Shit, whose secret service was the envy of the KGB, the traditionalist Shi'a sectarians wouldn't have had a chance at power. Of the bad crow, the bad egg. Iran doesn't need an hereditary despot, any more than it needs a fundamentalist regime, but America can be guaranteed yet again to meddle in a country it apparently knows nothing about, without any care for the longer term. ...my point exactly....although you presented it much more succinctly than me... What was that? " ..do you have comprehension difficulties? | |||
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"His inheritance was rightful because he succeeded to the throne through the established rules of hereditary monarchy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the son of Reza Shah Pahlavi.there is no evidence that a foreign country installed mullah khomeini in power; but probably through european countries such as uk , France and USA . # hijack .....you've heard of a power vacuum...? Have you viewed the footage of deceased individuals who were shot by your seemingly preferred mullahs? It is profoundly shocking and heartbreaking. Unlike you, I am closely monitoring the current situation in Iran and, as before, I am not concerned with events that transpired 50 years ago. Regarding your understanding, I must assert that you possess absolutely no knowledge of Iran's history, yet you persist in your views. I genuinely feel sorry for you....where did I say I preferred the mullahs...im pro democracy...that means I'm against propping up another dictator...aren't you The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look You seem to have convinced yourself that Crown Prince Reza will be exactly the same as his father. Doesn't necessarily follow. The late Shah ascended the throne at a very young age and was not very worldly wise. Prince Reza is much older and has seen something of the world. Should he come to power as Shah of a constitutional monarchy or just as head of an interim government, there is nothing to say he will follow in his father's footsteps. Even if he did the Iranian people would still have a better and freer life than they have under the oppressive mullahs. Plus American investment would kickstart the failing economy." ...you seem to have convinced yourself that American intervention is a positive step...? | |||
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"The dictatorship in Max has completely shut down the internet across the entire country, along with the telephone lines, to shoot and kill protesters in the streets. The hospitals are overwhelmed with injuries, particularly those shot in the eyes. This situation illustrates how corrupt the combination of religion and dictatorship can be. It is no surprise that the entire Middle East is in chaos due to the ayatollahs. Hopefully, the courageous Iranians will rid themselves of these tyrants after nearly 50 years of being held hostage." People want to be free. Right now the KGB thug in the Kremlin is readying himself to receive another guest, which will leave him one more ally down in the middle east. Assad is already languishing in Moscow and once the Thug tires of him he'll probably either accidentally slip on a radioactive banana skin and somehow fall backwards out of a basement window onto a Moscow church spire or be offered a dodgy cup of tea. Same goes for the Ayatollah. Meanwhile Maduro is spending time at Trump's Pleasure which will leave the Thug with more oil than he knows what to do with. Which might crash the oil price if it ever reaches the market and mean the Thug can no longer fund his 4 year long 3-day war. Interesting times indeed. | |||
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" The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look You seem to have convinced yourself that Crown Prince Reza will be exactly the same as his father. Doesn't necessarily follow. The late Shah ascended the throne at a very young age and was not very worldly wise. Prince Reza is much older and has seen something of the world. Should he come to power as Shah of a constitutional monarchy or just as head of an interim government, there is nothing to say he will follow in his father's footsteps. Even if he did the Iranian people would still have a better and freer life than they have under the oppressive mullahs. Plus American investment would kickstart the failing economy....you seem to have convinced yourself that American intervention is a positive step...?" If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. | |||
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" The people of Iran deserve autonomy, and it looks like they will get it. Unfortunately it will come at a price,but it will never come at the hands of America or Israel. Try not to get personal in the conversation...its not a good look You seem to have convinced yourself that Crown Prince Reza will be exactly the same as his father. Doesn't necessarily follow. The late Shah ascended the throne at a very young age and was not very worldly wise. Prince Reza is much older and has seen something of the world. Should he come to power as Shah of a constitutional monarchy or just as head of an interim government, there is nothing to say he will follow in his father's footsteps. Even if he did the Iranian people would still have a better and freer life than they have under the oppressive mullahs. Plus American investment would kickstart the failing economy....you seem to have convinced yourself that American intervention is a positive step...? If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. " so after the shit show in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq ..you want to give the yanks another chance....have to admire your optimism... | |||
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"There's a lot of pro-Reza Pahlavi propaganda, and this (neutral) outlet has an idea why: https://www.eurasiareview.com/26112025-monarchy-and-reza-pahlavi-a-security-project-to-sow-division-abroad-and-suppress-protests-at-home-oped/ The other view is that his popular support is seriously undermined by his enthusiasm for Israel... "Reza Pahlavi represented an ideal candidate for creating a false political focal point due to: Lack of domestic social support Absence of organizational capacity Political inexperience Complete harmlessness to the power structure Media outlets and social networks leveraged this opportunity to construct a “performative alternative” intended to: Overshadow genuine opposition forces Create divisions among exiled opposition communities Facilitate quieter domestic suppression." He's not a cuddly bunny. He's an entitled opportunist from a fake dynasty, whom the Americans think is just right for the job. (link above) " The link you have provided here pertains to an Iranian Kurdish political Mojahedin, which is not widely accepted among Iranians; I can confidently assert that its popularity is below one percent. The author claims to experience a lack of domestic social support, which is astonishing and would certainly surprise any Iranian. I urge you to locate an Iranian individual wherever you may find one, inquire if this assertion holds any truth, and return to inform me of their response. This is entirely fabricated and misleading. Furthermore, if you examine the videos from Thursday and Friday in Tehran, Qom, Mashhad, Tabriz, Kermanshah, and Sistan-Baluchestan, you will observe that millions have taken to the streets in response to his call, a fact that cannot be disputed as the videos clearly demonstrate this reality. | |||
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"....I concur that Shah made a significant error regarding Mossadegh, particularly with the nationalization of oil, which indeed brought wealth to the nation. However, this does not imply that one should overlook the numerous positive contributions he made to Iran. I recommend that you review the points I have emphasized earlier. Nevertheless, Persia was remarkable in its own right; a thorough examination of Persian history will surely astonish you. Once again, my discussion was not intended to focus on Persia or its history; my aim was to underscore the present circumstances. Do you have any thoughts on the current situation, which is quite disheartening for all Iranians? I prefer not to delve into the historical aspects of Iran. #hijack How the hell can you consider the present without taking account of the past? " In 2000, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright admitted America’s “significant role.” In 2009, President Barack Obama openly acknowledged that the CIA’s actions overthrew a democratic government. In 2023, the CIA itself released an audio file admitting that the coup was “undemocratic.” Even former British officials, such as ex-Foreign Secretary David Owen, have conceded that London must finally acknowledge its central role in the coup. These belated confessions underscore the coup’s enduring stain. They confirm what the Iranian people have always known: the 1953 coup was not a domestic crisis alone, but an international crime against democracy." https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/the-1953-coup-in-iran-a-turning-point-in-dictatorship-and-foreign-domination/ NCR = National Council of Resistance of Iran, which seeks a democratic government. Since you ask And please don't assume I know nothing of Iran's history, or for that matter its culture, which I deeply admire.(I have been to Rumi's tomb)" So, you're bringing up Mossadegh, who became Prime Minister in 1951, and you want us to compare that to 2026??? Totally different times, systems, and situations... It's like comparing Clement Attlee with Starmer. I get that Molana is one of the greatest poets in Iran; his poems are tough to grasp and really deep and sophisticated. Well done to you . | |||
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"For your further interest: https://www.meforum.org/mef-observer/has-reza-pahlavi-become-the-opposition-to-irans-opposition MEF is a pro- Israel conservative outfit, founded by Daniel Pipes (remember him? PNAC?). Even this thinks Reza's a fraud." it leads to an article from December 3, 2025. At that time, there was nothing going on in Iran that could gauge his popularity. Like I mentioned, please look at the videos from January 9th and 10th 2026, as that's when the protests began. You'll see the actual scale of the demonstrations. | |||
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".... So, you're bringing up Mossadegh, who became Prime Minister in 1951, and you want us to compare that to 2026??? Totally different times, systems, and situations... It's like comparing Clement Attlee with Starmer. I get that Molana is one of the greatest poets in Iran; his poems are tough to grasp and really deep and sophisticated. Well done to you ." "Molana (aka the Mevlana) *was* one of the greatest poets in Iran" FIFY. Incidentally, much of his career was spent in Anatolia, hence, "Rumi" Aside from that, I can seee you've missed the point completely. Mosaddegh was democratically elected, (like Starmer). The Shit was installed by the US and UK and there have been no elections since. Given that Iranian public opinion, after US and Israeli aggression, is not necessarily in favour of another attempt by the US to install a puppet, ignoring the past and failing to learn from it, would seem to be obtuse to say the least... Happy to discuss Rumi, Hafez, et al, separately. | |||
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".... So, you're bringing up Mossadegh, who became Prime Minister in 1951, and you want us to compare that to 2026??? Totally different times, systems, and situations... It's like comparing Clement Attlee with Starmer. I get that Molana is one of the greatest poets in Iran; his poems are tough to grasp and really deep and sophisticated. Well done to you . "Molana (aka the Mevlana) *was* one of the greatest poets in Iran" FIFY. Incidentally, much of his career was spent in Anatolia, hence, "Rumi" Aside from that, I can seee you've missed the point completely. Mosaddegh was democratically elected, (like Starmer). The Shit was installed by the US and UK and there have been no elections since. Given that Iranian public opinion, after US and Israeli aggression, is not necessarily in favour of another attempt by the US to install a puppet, ignoring the past and failing to learn from it, would seem to be obtuse to say the least... Happy to discuss Rumi, Hafez, et al, separately. " Are you going to help me with how to pronounce his name? I read his poems in the original language they were written in, not in Turkish, ffs. Like I mentioned, it's a different situation, a different century, and a different time. Honestly, you sent a bunch of stuff that wasn't accurate. Yes interested in hafez and i like khayyam . | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))"....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler. Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...? | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?"It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today? | |||
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" If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. so after the shit show in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq ..you want to give the yanks another chance....have to admire your optimism..." Bit of a different situation. So far, although Trump has done some sabre rattling, there is no mention of American troops entering Iran and overthrowing the Ayatollahs regime or get involved in a civil war. Hopefully the regime will collapse from within. You condemn US intervention. You look on Prince Reza as some dreadful dictator-in-waiting. However you don't come up with an alternative. Suppose you think the Iranians would be better off under some far-left socialist regime! | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?
It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today?"...a sure sign you're losing the argument...attack the messenger...hahaha | |||
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" If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. so after the shit show in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq ..you want to give the yanks another chance....have to admire your optimism... Bit of a different situation. So far, although Trump has done some sabre rattling, there is no mention of American troops entering Iran and overthrowing the Ayatollahs regime or get involved in a civil war. Hopefully the regime will collapse from within. You condemn US intervention. You look on Prince Reza as some dreadful dictator-in-waiting. However you don't come up with an alternative. Suppose you think the Iranians would be better off under some far-left socialist regime! " ...try not to guess what I think...im for letting the Iranian people decide for themselves, I've already listed several disastrous examples of the US effecting regime change,you seem intent on giving the lunatic in the Whitehouse another chance to start a civil war What if Iran doesn't want a western style country? | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?
It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today?...a sure sign you're losing the argument...attack the messenger...hahaha "Stop being ridiculous, I'm just trying to understand why you refer to him as Hitler? It can't be me who's lost the debate. | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?
It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today?...a sure sign you're losing the argument...attack the messenger...hahaha
Stop being ridiculous, I'm just trying to understand why you refer to him as Hitler? It can't be me who's lost the debate."....."it can't be me who's lost the debate "....?.. I never referred to him as Hitler... | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?
It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today?...a sure sign you're losing the argument...attack the messenger...hahaha
Stop being ridiculous, I'm just trying to understand why you refer to him as Hitler? It can't be me who's lost the debate......"it can't be me who's lost the debate "....?..
I never referred to him as Hitler..."Utterly devoid of substance in discussions, merely two words: nonsense and return, two words: nonsense and return, two words: nonsense. Individuals find amusement in your plight. | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?
It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today?...a sure sign you're losing the argument...attack the messenger...hahaha
Stop being ridiculous, I'm just trying to understand why you refer to him as Hitler? It can't be me who's lost the debate......"it can't be me who's lost the debate "....?..
I never referred to him as Hitler...
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"I find it hard to believe that after 50 years they are "invoking his name". Ofcourse they did, you only need to watch the news .....there are neo Nazis all over the world.... Don’t understand your point? ...people around the world are still "invoking hitlers name" when someone has nothing more to add )))))....the other poster described your boy to a tee...an entitled opportunist...a few people invoking his name means very little...as I said...there are still some misguided souls who still support Hitler.
Quick question..describe the mechanism that would bring him to power, if the present regime is overthrown...?
It's not that hard to understand. Why don't you check out the videos showing how many people hit the streets in response to his call? I've mentioned this to you so many times, yet you're still spreading your fake news. He never claimed he would seize power; he's just leading the movement. He stated that the nation will decide who gets the power through elections. Why don't you go through what I've written for you several times? Do you really compare him to Hitler? Have you taken your meds today?...a sure sign you're losing the argument...attack the messenger...hahaha
Stop being ridiculous, I'm just trying to understand why you refer to him as Hitler? It can't be me who's lost the debate......"it can't be me who's lost the debate "....?..
I never referred to him as Hitler...
Utterly devoid of substance in discussions, merely two words: nonsense and return, two words: nonsense and return, two words: nonsense. Individuals find amusement in your plight.....you seem to be repeating yourself....are you ok...?
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" If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. so after the shit show in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq ..you want to give the yanks another chance....have to admire your optimism... Bit of a different situation. So far, although Trump has done some sabre rattling, there is no mention of American troops entering Iran and overthrowing the Ayatollahs regime or get involved in a civil war. Hopefully the regime will collapse from within. You condemn US intervention. You look on Prince Reza as some dreadful dictator-in-waiting. However you don't come up with an alternative. Suppose you think the Iranians would be better off under some far-left socialist regime! ...try not to guess what I think...im for letting the Iranian people decide for themselves, I've already listed several disastrous examples of the US effecting regime change,you seem intent on giving the lunatic in the Whitehouse another chance to start a civil war What if Iran doesn't want a western style country?" How is it possible for Iran to descend into civil war when 98 percent of the population is united and voicing the same sentiments across the nation against dictatorship? There is no conflict among them; Kurds, Baluchis, and Khuzestanis are all united. This reflects a misunderstanding of the situation on your part, but feel free to continue with your misguided notions. | |||
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" If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. so after the shit show in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq ..you want to give the yanks another chance....have to admire your optimism... Bit of a different situation. So far, although Trump has done some sabre rattling, there is no mention of American troops entering Iran and overthrowing the Ayatollahs regime or get involved in a civil war. Hopefully the regime will collapse from within. You condemn US intervention. You look on Prince Reza as some dreadful dictator-in-waiting. However you don't come up with an alternative. Suppose you think the Iranians would be better off under some far-left socialist regime! ...try not to guess what I think...im for letting the Iranian people decide for themselves, I've already listed several disastrous examples of the US effecting regime change,you seem intent on giving the lunatic in the Whitehouse another chance to start a civil war What if Iran doesn't want a western style country? How is it possible for Iran to descend into civil war when 98 percent of the population is united and voicing the same sentiments across the nation against dictatorship? There is no conflict among them; Kurds, Baluchis, and Khuzestanis are all united. This reflects a misunderstanding of the situation on your part, but feel free to continue with your misguided notions. " ...just because they don't want a dictatorship...doesn't mean they want a western style government...stop trying to just your lifestyle on others | |||
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" If it gives the Iranian people liberty and some freedom away from the oppressive yoke of the mad ayatollahs and mullahs, and restores the country's economy then yes it would be a good thing. Perhaps not ideal but you have to remember Iran is a country that has not enjoyed a full western-style democracy in living memory if indeed ever. It seemed a fairly westernised and happy country under the Shah-ist regime but you are not going to turn it into something it has never been overnight. This was the big mistake Bush and Blair made with Iraq. so after the shit show in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq ..you want to give the yanks another chance....have to admire your optimism... Bit of a different situation. So far, although Trump has done some sabre rattling, there is no mention of American troops entering Iran and overthrowing the Ayatollahs regime or get involved in a civil war. Hopefully the regime will collapse from within. You condemn US intervention. You look on Prince Reza as some dreadful dictator-in-waiting. However you don't come up with an alternative. Suppose you think the Iranians would be better off under some far-left socialist regime! ...try not to guess what I think...im for letting the Iranian people decide for themselves, I've already listed several disastrous examples of the US effecting regime change,you seem intent on giving the lunatic in the Whitehouse another chance to start a civil war What if Iran doesn't want a western style country? How is it possible for Iran to descend into civil war when 98 percent of the population is united and voicing the same sentiments across the nation against dictatorship? There is no conflict among them; Kurds, Baluchis, and Khuzestanis are all united. This reflects a misunderstanding of the situation on your part, but feel free to continue with your misguided notions. ...just because they don't want a dictatorship...doesn't mean they want a western style government...stop trying to just your lifestyle on others " What a reversal for you once more .. The discussion was centered on your civil war assertion, not on a Western style government .. try once more | |||
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"Just checking in to see if the FabGuys aficionados have resolved the theocratic suppression of the people of Iran… Not yet? OK. I’ll look back later. ...oh look....a spectator with nothing to add..." Why would I need to add anything? You’ve been dominating the thread with your exegeses on neo-Nazism and interventionalism and so I’ll leave matters in the hands of such a towering authority on foreign affairs. | |||
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"I really can't see a regime change no matter how much of the populace is against the current leadership. I've not seen reports of any properly organised and armed opposition groups (militia), and as has been said previously, they won't willingly accept interference from outside." You may be correct regarding the change in regime; unfortunately, they are unlikely to depart through peaceful protests. | |||
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"I really can't see a regime change no matter how much of the populace is against the current leadership. I've not seen reports of any properly organised and armed opposition groups (militia), and as has been said previously, they won't willingly accept interference from outside." To be honest I am not convinced that there will be a regime change. Although none of us really knows what the Iranians really want my guess is the country is split, like most countries are, between those who desperately want a regime change and those who are loyal. There are already counter-revolutionary loyalists taking to the streets in support of the mad mullahs, and shouting 'Death to America'. The elite and evil Revolutionary Guard are not going to capitulate in a hurry. The only hope will be a mutiny by the regular army and they would probably need to rely on outside support for weaponry etc. | |||
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"Just checking in to see if the FabGuys aficionados have resolved the theocratic suppression of the people of Iran… Not yet? OK. I’ll look back later. ...oh look....a spectator with nothing to add... Why would I need to add anything? You’ve been dominating the thread with your exegeses on neo-Nazism and interventionalism and so I’ll leave matters in the hands of such a towering authority on foreign affairs. " ...I do apologise if I've intimidated you.... | |||
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"I really can't see a regime change no matter how much of the populace is against the current leadership. I've not seen reports of any properly organised and armed opposition groups (militia), and as has been said previously, they won't willingly accept interference from outside. To be honest I am not convinced that there will be a regime change. Although none of us really knows what the Iranians really want my guess is the country is split, like most countries are, between those who desperately want a regime change and those who are loyal. There are already counter-revolutionary loyalists taking to the streets in support of the mad mullahs, and shouting 'Death to America'. The elite and evil Revolutionary Guard are not going to capitulate in a hurry. The only hope will be a mutiny by the regular army and they would probably need to rely on outside support for weaponry etc." don't see eye to eye with you on this. Let me explain. This regime clearly has its own mercenaries and supporters who hit the streets because they’re paid to do so, likely funded by national oil revenues. They make up at most one or two percent of the population. The mullah regime uses them for propaganda, especially when they want to rally against Israel or the USA. The key difference is that these mercenaries can freely protest without fear of imprisonment or violence; there's zero risk for them, plus they receive substantial bonuses. In contrast, the protests that took place on Thursday and Friday, where millions took to the streets, came with the real threat of arrest, death penalties, and being shot. Yet, millions still showed up, highlighting a massive difference. The ayatollahs have never tolerated protests in their 50 years of rule, and it’s amusing that no independent reporter has been allowed to question the supreme leader in that time. On Friday, the supreme leader even ordered the killing of protesters if they took to the streets, but still, a million people came out, and the movement continues. If they allowed peaceful protests, it would spell the end for them, as 98 percent of the participants would be against them for sure. The complete media blackout should be a clear signal to everyone outside of Iran. So, my point is that there’s definitely no split here; only the number of Iranians outside the country opposing their regime has reached 7 million. How did this happen? Only a truly oppressive regime could do this to its own people. | |||
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"I really can't see a regime change no matter how much of the populace is against the current leadership. I've not seen reports of any properly organised and armed opposition groups (militia), and as has been said previously, they won't willingly accept interference from outside. To be honest I am not convinced that there will be a regime change. Although none of us really knows what the Iranians really want my guess is the country is split, like most countries are, between those who desperately want a regime change and those who are loyal. There are already counter-revolutionary loyalists taking to the streets in support of the mad mullahs, and shouting 'Death to America'. The elite and evil Revolutionary Guard are not going to capitulate in a hurry. The only hope will be a mutiny by the regular army and they would probably need to rely on outside support for weaponry etc. don't see eye to eye with you on this. Let me explain. This regime clearly has its own mercenaries and supporters who hit the streets because they’re paid to do so, likely funded by national oil revenues. They make up at most one or two percent of the population. The mullah regime uses them for propaganda, especially when they want to rally against Israel or the USA. The key difference is that these mercenaries can freely protest without fear of imprisonment or violence; there's zero risk for them, plus they receive substantial bonuses. In contrast, the protests that took place on Thursday and Friday, where millions took to the streets, came with the real threat of arrest, death penalties, and being shot. Yet, millions still showed up, highlighting a massive difference. The ayatollahs have never tolerated protests in their 50 years of rule, and it’s amusing that no independent reporter has been allowed to question the supreme leader in that time. On Friday, the supreme leader even ordered the killing of protesters if they took to the streets, but still, a million people came out, and the movement continues. If they allowed peaceful protests, it would spell the end for them, as 98 percent of the participants would be against them for sure. The complete media blackout should be a clear signal to everyone outside of Iran. So, my point is that there’s definitely no split here; only the number of Iranians outside the country opposing their regime has reached 7 million. How did this happen? Only a truly oppressive regime could do this to its own people." Thank you for that. You obviously know more than I do and, indeed, a good deal more than most people. I guessed the pro-regime demonstrators were a minority and encouraged by the regime. The regime must have some support to have stayed in power so long although I guess, as with all extremist regimes, it has held power through fear and intimidation rather than real support. I could not believe how quickly and easily the Islamic extremists took over in 1979. True I was only there for a week, some 6 years earlier, and then only in Tehran. It just seemed like a normal western city apart from mosques instead of churches and the bazaars. Saw very few people in traditional Islamic garb and even then mostly the very elderly. | |||
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"Just checking in to see if the FabGuys aficionados have resolved the theocratic suppression of the people of Iran… Not yet? OK. I’ll look back later. ...oh look....a spectator with nothing to add... Why would I need to add anything? You’ve been dominating the thread with your exegeses on neo-Nazism and interventionalism and so I’ll leave matters in the hands of such a towering authority on foreign affairs. ...I do apologise if I've intimidated you...." Is that what you really think you are…intimidating..?! That will certainly explain your OTT aggression to _hubslover and your argumentative tone to anyone else. The word that came to my mind wasn’t ‘intimidating’, it was ‘blowhard’. | |||
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