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A Million Pleas, yet No Vote - Duped Again!!

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire

This afternoon, there is an important debate in Parliament in response to petition 727309 for an immediate general election, which has over 1 million signatures. The debate is being held at 4.30pm and introduced by John Lamont MP.

Apparently, it's an 'Open Debate' being held in Westminster Hall, MPs from all parties are invited to participate, and the Government will send a minister to respond, but apart from generating a lot of useless and meaningless hot air, no vote is taking place and it's likely that it'll conclude without further action!

Yet such a vital issue should be debated in the full House of Commons and a free vote taken! Once again the parliamentary system does a huge disservice to those of us whom it purports to represent, they just get worse!!!

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By *ad Bod ManMan
1 day ago

Gloucester

And…

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire


"And… "
And, I have nothing further to add at present but do please feel free to do so yourself of course.

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By *endy CMan
1 day ago

Huntingdon

A supporter of the ridiculous Farage I guess.....lol...lol

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By *hongerMan
1 day ago

Warrington

If we were to have a general election if 1 million people sign a petition. We would be having a general election every week.

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire


"A supporter of the ridiculous Farage I guess.....lol...lol"

An erroneous assumption, my own political allegiance is somewhat irrelevant in this particular issue of national importance!

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By *ad Bod ManMan
1 day ago

Gloucester

That’s why we have a democratic process to elect people to discuss issues and debate for the good of their constituents.

Jeez if that wasn’t the case a new political party would be elected every two weeks

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By *1CrowMan
1 day ago

Sandhurst

You won't get an early election.

You'll just have to accept that and move on.

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By *rancd2TV/TS
1 day ago

Wolverhampton

That’s all a petition guarantees, a discussion. That’s clear for anyone, that starts or signs a petition, to see.

So as far as I can understand, the government have upheld their end of the bargain

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By *ammy39Man
1 day ago

Glenrothes

So basically the whole thing is a total waste of time. An afternoon of blethering and no end result. So why even bother with petitions

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By *ammy57TV/TS
1 day ago

Stevenage


"If we were to have a general election if 1 million people sign a petition. We would be having a general election every week."

Agree with above. Individual policy recommendations have had similar support and are arguably much more relevant that this easily manipulated "popularity contest",and they have had similar effect.

It appears that unless there are actual donations to party coffers and perhaps personal campaign support, not a lot happens.

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By *ildwestheroMan
1 day ago

Llandrindod Wells

As much as I detest the current government I think a general election at the moment would be foolish. Firstly a winter campaign is never a popular one. Secondly if opinion polls are anything to go by then an election would result in a messy hung parliament and either an ineffective minority government or a badly cobbled together coalition. The foolish Faragites are convinced they would win but it is highly unlikely. At best they might emerge as the largest party but way, way short of a majority and doubt anyone would want to work with them.

Besides, with so many current MPs having tiny majorities and elected with less than 30% of the votes cast, voting for a general election would be like chickens voting for KFC.

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire


"If we were to have a general election if 1 million people sign a petition. We would be having a general election every week."

Indeed, if we had a decisive government with a clear direction, free of U-turns and deceit and a respectable, competent PM, the need for such petitions would be greatly reduced and therefore wouldn't have triggered the need for a Parliamentary Debate!

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By *ad Bod ManMan
1 day ago

Gloucester


"If we were to have a general election if 1 million people sign a petition. We would be having a general election every week.

Indeed, if we had a decisive government with a clear direction, free of U-turns and deceit and a respectable, competent PM, the need for such petitions would be greatly reduced and therefore wouldn't have triggered the need for a Parliamentary Debate!"

So much like the Tories then

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By *ello 1000Man
1 day ago

Lincolnshire


"This afternoon, there is an important debate in Parliament in response to petition 727309 for an immediate general election, which has over 1 million signatures. The debate is being held at 4.30pm and introduced by John Lamont MP.

Apparently, it's an 'Open Debate' being held in Westminster Hall, MPs from all parties are invited to participate, and the Government will send a minister to respond, but apart from generating a lot of useless and meaningless hot air, no vote is taking place and it's likely that it'll conclude without further action!

Yet such a vital issue should be debated in the full House of Commons and a free vote taken! Once again the parliamentary system does a huge disservice to those of us whom it purports to represent, they just get worse!!!

"

What action should have been taken by the government of the day regarding the petition for a second EU referendum???

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By *nthebuffMan
1 day ago

Liskeard

Of course it'll be ignored, just like the millions who signed to stop digital ID. Your friend will be the ballot box in what, nearly 4 years time

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By *ondon RimmerMan
1 day ago

Islington

It's just an online petition, nothing more.

We need a referendum on this vital issue!

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire

Sorry, guys, I obviously haven't sufficiently explained my point, since many responses so far seem to be clearly missing the crux of the matter. It's totally simplistic to expect a GE to be called at this juncture!

The point is that the parliamentary system is seriously letting us down. It's an important issue, so it should be debated in the full house with a free division called at the end. Chances are, with such a large government majority, the motion would've certainly been defeated anyway, but it would've given our parliamentary representatives the chance to voice their – and our – opinion on the issue, highlighting the political instability that we're all currently facing.

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By *weddolMan
1 day ago

Chester

Six million signed the petition to stop brexit.

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By *ad Bod ManMan
1 day ago

Gloucester


"Sorry, guys, I obviously haven't sufficiently explained my point, since many responses so far seem to be clearly missing the crux of the matter. It's totally simplistic to expect a GE to be called at this juncture!

The point is that the parliamentary system is seriously letting us down. It's an important issue, so it should be debated in the full house with a free division called at the end. Chances are, with such a large government majority, the motion would've certainly been defeated anyway, but it would've given our parliamentary representatives the chance to voice their – and our – opinion on the issue, highlighting the political instability that we're all currently facing."

and isn’t it strange how no political party wants to change the electoral system I’m sure Nige wouldn’t either

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By *weddolMan
1 day ago

Chester

9 million voted for Labour at the election.

Now 1 million want it reversed

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By *omyorksMan
1 day ago

Nr York

Putin wants instability and chaos across Europe. An early election would cause chaos here.

Few seem to realise the hand inside the Farage sock puppet

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By *ello 1000Man
1 day ago

Lincolnshire


"Sorry, guys, I obviously haven't sufficiently explained my point, since many responses so far seem to be clearly missing the crux of the matter. It's totally simplistic to expect a GE to be called at this juncture!

The point is that the parliamentary system is seriously letting us down. It's an important issue, so it should be debated in the full house with a free division called at the end. Chances are, with such a large government majority, the motion would've certainly been defeated anyway, but it would've given our parliamentary representatives the chance to voice their – and our – opinion on the issue, highlighting the political instability that we're all currently facing. and isn’t it strange how no political party wants to change the electoral system I’m sure Nige wouldn’t either "

The problem is that when a party wins the current system obviously suits them ,,, the time when it could and probably should have changed was when Clegg sold out to Cameron ,

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire


"Six million signed the petition to stop brexit.

"

Actually, the petition with over 6 million signatures was debated in Parliament, but again it didn't lead to a vote in the full House. It highlighted strong public feeling, though.

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By *ornybisubslutMan
1 day ago

Coventry

Kind of missing to point. The prerogative to call an election rests with the prime minister. Just because don’t like them does mean you get to call an election.

If you don’t get this should you even be involved on a political discussion?

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By *3versMan
1 day ago

glasgow

Has a petition ever resulted in policy change or new laws?

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By *horts GuyMan
1 day ago

Hove

Waste of time. Why would turkeys vote for Christmas?

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By *erasusMan
1 day ago

Glasgow

This must be the most pointless thread ever posted

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By *3versMan
1 day ago

glasgow


"This must be the most pointless thread ever posted"

That would be the word games

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By *eonsMan
1 day ago

Swindon

The trouble with politics is it is not an exact science, therefore one man's view is and can be different from from the next man.

What I have learned over the years is that those who are extremist from either side of the debate can be dangerous and only have simple solutions to what can be complicated problems.

I'm not a fan of any particular party but I do know I'd rather an administration that can and does U turn when they see the cliff edge coming.

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire


"Kind of missing to point. The prerogative to call an election rests with the prime minister. Just because don’t like them does mean you get to call an election.

If you don’t get this should you even be involved on a political discussion? "

With respect, that's not entirely accurate. The Fixed-term Parliaments Act does give the PM a key role in calling elections, but it's subject to parliamentary approval. The bigger issue is whether the current PM is competently managing the role and his party dynamics.

Perhaps we can keep the discussion focused on the issue in hand rather than petty and futile personal attacks?

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By *evanian OP   Man
1 day ago

Flintshire


"This must be the most pointless thread ever posted

That would be the word games"

Oh no, and here we are in the midst of Word Game Edition 361, yes pointless indeed! 😅

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By *ickSeekerMan
1 day ago

Canterbury

The 'will of the people' is NOT sacrosanct (and it's sometimes tragically misguided and misinformed) that's why every democracy worth the name holds elections at intervals of xyz years, to confirm, recall or reverse the previous 'will if the people'....but not at the ad-hoc behest of a minority suffering from customer's regret. A regime responding to a petition in that way would make a country ungovernable 🗳

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By *3versMan
1 day ago

glasgow


"This must be the most pointless thread ever posted

That would be the word games

Oh no, and here we are in the midst of Word Game Edition 361, yes pointless indeed! 😅"

Lol, they're even numbered which just adds to the pointlessness, as if someone is going to go back to see what edition 359 was

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By *igballs4u2tugMan
1 day ago

South Cheshire

Amazing really. We had 14 years of total shit from the most vile, unelected, selfish, greedy, incompetent, sleazy, politicians ever, and now the cry babies want this lot gone. Do they want Liz back? Costing the nation £Billions? Do they want Cameron back? Who set up Brexit, that worked didn't it? Boris lying everytime he opened his stupid gob. 14 years of austerity which we all should know...does not work. For goodness sake, grow up and accept Labour won the election, let them get on with it. At least they do u-turns when they have gotten it wrong or are about to. Stop stamping your feet, slamming the doors like spoilt child, grow up and wake up. P.S. Why bring this in here? Is this the place for this, duh.

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By *ndy457Man
1 day ago

Gosport


"Kind of missing to point. The prerogative to call an election rests with the prime minister. Just because don’t like them does mean you get to call an election.

If you don’t get this should you even be involved on a political discussion?

With respect, that's not entirely accurate. The Fixed-term Parliaments Act does give the PM a key role in calling elections, but it's subject to parliamentary approval. The bigger issue is whether the current PM is competently managing the role and his party dynamics.

Perhaps we can keep the discussion focused on the issue in hand rather than petty and futile personal attacks?

"

The Fixed Term Parliament act was repealed (thank goodness)

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By *aggonerMan
1 day ago

Malvern

Of a total of about 46 million voters, 1million isn’t that many. Hardly democratic.

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By *hongerMan
1 day ago

Warrington

This is all pointless, as we will soon be part of the united States of America.

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By *enri du lacMan
1 day ago

Coventry

After 14 years in opposition there is no way Labour would relinquish power unless they had to, even though only 20% of the electorate voted for them.

Any party's main objective is to stay in power. Serving the country is of secondary importance.

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By *espectdueMan
1 day ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon

A million people walked through london against the Iraq war, to no avail.

To think that just because a million have clicked a link on their mobile from their sofa means nothing.

Labour may not be doing a great job, but we had 3 prime ministers in less than a year with the last shit show.

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By *wordfight70Man
1 day ago

Baldock

A million people is 1.44% of the UK population.

Do you believe that there should be a parliamentary debate each time 1.44% of the population feel theyre aligned on an issue? Do you see how ludicrous a suggestion that is?

You got to vote in a government about a year ago, and you get the chance to pick a different one next time, the timescale between such events is 5 years. There's many good reasons for that. You can't keep having debates and referenda just because a small proportion of the population decides they're not currently very satisfied, it'd be a never ending circus.

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By *im le2Man
23 hours ago

aylestone leic

If you think you will loose your job in the next election do you honestly think they are going to vote for one.

It's winter they want there heating bills paid then we have spring so all the house repairs/ modernization needs doing. It will be next October at the earliest.

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By *aremanMan
23 hours ago

Hingham

I'm much more concerned about the postponement of local elections, for up to two years, under the pretext that the latest rearrangement (which was not the subject of a public vote) needs more time to complete.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd5p7y1999o

What would a general election achieve, in any case? Oh yes, the election of some hastily assembled placemen with no experience of government whatever, before their incompetence is fully understood by the public.Better the devil you know, I think.

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By *ildwestheroMan
23 hours ago

Llandrindod Wells


"Amazing really. We had 14 years of total shit from the most vile, unelected, selfish, greedy, incompetent, sleazy, politicians ever, and now the cry babies want this lot gone. Do they want Liz back? Costing the nation £Billions? Do they want Cameron back? Who set up Brexit, that worked didn't it? Boris lying everytime he opened his stupid gob. 14 years of austerity which we all should know...does not work. For goodness sake, grow up and accept Labour won the election, let them get on with it. At least they do u-turns when they have gotten it wrong or are about to. Stop stamping your feet, slamming the doors like spoilt child, grow up and wake up. P.S. Why bring this in here? Is this the place for this, duh. "

Really? So the 2010,2015, 2017 and 2019 election never happened? Generals Cameron, May and Johnson just stage Coups and seized power? In each one of those 4 elections the conservative obtain more votes and a higher percentage of the vote than Labour did in 2024. It's how our archaic FPTP system works. I don't like this government but I don't want the country to blunder head-first and blind-folded into a general election that will solve nothing.

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By *tmguylookingMan
23 hours ago

Chesterfield


"9 million voted for Labour at the election.

Now 1 million want it reversed "

But how many of those 1 million keyboard warriors actually bothered to go and vote at the last general election. Probably not many of them.

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