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"Hopefully it will be a massive defeat for Starmer " . Yes it will, tis what democracy is all about. | |||
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"It’s absolutely certain that Labour will lose a record amount of areas, it’s a pre curser to what’s coming, god only knows, but the voting will be split, which could be dangerous development, we are in the beginning stages of something we havn’t seen before, they say things can only get better ! I’m not so sure but Labour have had there chance and they’ve blown it for good ." Have a lot of sympathy with this comment Only thing I would add is Labour have not even been in power for 2 years so they could get their act together. Sadly it’s increasingly doubtful but still possible | |||
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"is the Pope a Catholic.. He doesnt have any cats "There must be a few mousers in the Vatican. They have enough rats in the closets.  | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary." Starmer says he's 'not going to walk away' . This aligns with my previous statement that he is dishonest, claiming that my decision is based on the interests of the UK nation, but, well you should walk away after this result  | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. Starmer says he's 'not going to walk away' . This aligns with my previous statement that he is dishonest, claiming that my decision is based on the interests of the UK nation, but, well you should walk away after this result "No prime minister has ever resigned after a poor showing after council election. For starters it did not cover the whole country or every seat where elections took place. If PMs resigned after a poor council result both Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair would never have lasted in office very long. Think this is wishful thinking by the less than intelligent Reform voters. | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary." . I think your to kind on Starmer. You don't become head of the prosecution service by being indecisive. Reality is he never intends to carry out promises he made. Or...He made promises that he knew he could never keep | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. Starmer says he's 'not going to walk away' . This aligns with my previous statement that he is dishonest, claiming that my decision is based on the interests of the UK nation, but, well you should walk away after this result
No prime minister has ever resigned after a poor showing after council election. For starters it did not cover the whole country or every seat where elections took place. If PMs resigned after a poor council result both Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair would never have lasted in office very long. Think this is wishful thinking by the less than intelligent Reform voters."Well, we have never experienced such a poor Labour Prime Minister so far , which has led to the Labour Party losing power in Wales for the first time in a century. He must have done something remarkable, though. Furthermore, one does not need to be particularly astute to recognise this or to accuse reform voters of making such claims. In your opinion, how intelligent are Conservative and Labour voters? | |||
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"I don't care but many do. We always think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence but it soon turns into to a muddy mess. Change is not always for the better! " Yes they will. whatever your political leanings, it beggars belief that a party with a 400 seat majority can get it so wrong. Sometimes change is all we have left! | |||
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"Glib... big word for you " ... . .. .. Stultifying | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary." 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC" . don't think it's that simple. Starmers a nightmare, but getting him out won't change labour | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC. don't think it's that simple. Starmers a nightmare, but getting him out won't change labour " It is too late for them, regardless. I doubt you can find anyone else who could inflict more damage on the Labour Party. He is incapable of making decisions independently and always requires an adviser by his side. His position on the US-Iran war was entirely misguided, claiming that his decision was based on national interest. Furthermore, he maintains relations with China while they persistently spy on us to exploit our vulnerabilities. The extreme leftist policies are concerning. Mandy and Epstein's falsehoods were among the significant issues, along with many others on his list of grievances. He told us one thing before the election and did something entirely different afterward; people are not foolish enough to continue tolerating those insincere smiles during interviews. | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC. don't think it's that simple. Starmers a nightmare, but getting him out won't change labour " ... Surely Nigel Farage would want Starmer as captain of the Titanic for as long as possible ? | |||
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"If brown and harmen being brought into the government is the answer to labour’s implosion I’ll be bugged (we live in hope ) if I could think what the question is. Two more people in Westminster with the charisma of a wet lettuce " Doubt they are there for a public role. More like brining gravitas and timber to behind the scenes. Starmers biggest weakness seems to be 1) making a decision and 2) sticking to the decision | |||
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"It is shocking that Reform takes Sunderland council from Labour - after 50 years" It's shocking that these hard- pressed folk who've generally been shit on since Thatcher's time will elect a party who would fuck them over further. Reform would privatise the NHS, cut taxes for the rich, allow fracking, and ignore or deny climate change. They're attracting funding from foriegn billionaires and the fossil fuel sector,which will be to buy deregulation and licensing later on. At local level, they just fail everywhere, and they've demonstrated some level of, shall we say, conflict of interest in a number of councils. Nine- bob note comes to mind. | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC" Starmer has catastrophically failed to lead and govern responsibly or effectively, and his reserved, deadpan public manner does not aid his position. He also does not represent the traditional Labour Party ethic that many members and voters identify with. Following Thursday’s poor results, in which Labour lost hundreds of seats, sitting Labour MPs will now be assessing the security of their own positions. As party leader, Starmer bears responsibility for the electoral outcome. If he intends to act in the party’s best interests with any integrity, immediate resignation must be considered. Recovery from losses of this scale is virtually impossible under the same leadership, particularly when that leadership is disconnected from the party’s traditional base. Continuing in post risks further electoral damage to Labour, potentially affecting its long-term viability. On that basis, if Starmer has any integrity and concern for those affected by his failings, resignation is his only decent option. | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC Starmer has catastrophically failed to lead and govern responsibly or effectively, and his reserved, deadpan public manner does not aid his position. He also does not represent the traditional Labour Party ethic that many members and voters identify with. Following Thursday’s poor results, in which Labour lost hundreds of seats, sitting Labour MPs will now be assessing the security of their own positions. As party leader, Starmer bears responsibility for the electoral outcome. If he intends to act in the party’s best interests with any integrity, immediate resignation must be considered. Recovery from losses of this scale is virtually impossible under the same leadership, particularly when that leadership is disconnected from the party’s traditional base. Continuing in post risks further electoral damage to Labour, potentially affecting its long-term viability. On that basis, if Starmer has any integrity and concern for those affected by his failings, resignation is his only decent option. " How...scripted | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC Starmer has catastrophically failed to lead and govern responsibly or effectively, and his reserved, deadpan public manner does not aid his position. He also does not represent the traditional Labour Party ethic that many members and voters identify with. Following Thursday’s poor results, in which Labour lost hundreds of seats, sitting Labour MPs will now be assessing the security of their own positions. As party leader, Starmer bears responsibility for the electoral outcome. If he intends to act in the party’s best interests with any integrity, immediate resignation must be considered. Recovery from losses of this scale is virtually impossible under the same leadership, particularly when that leadership is disconnected from the party’s traditional base. Continuing in post risks further electoral damage to Labour, potentially affecting its long-term viability. On that basis, if Starmer has any integrity and concern for those affected by his failings, resignation is his only decent option. How...scripted "What? Explain! | |||
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"It is shocking that Reform takes Sunderland council from Labour - after 50 years It's shocking that these hard- pressed folk who've generally been shit on since Thatcher's time will elect a party who would fuck them over further. Reform would privatise the NHS, cut taxes for the rich, allow fracking, and ignore or deny climate change. They're attracting funding from foriegn billionaires and the fossil fuel sector,which will be to buy deregulation and licensing later on. At local level, they just fail everywhere, and they've demonstrated some level of, shall we say, conflict of interest in a number of councils. Nine- bob note comes to mind. " Your facts fail:- the NHS policy mirrors Blair’s, the tax cut lifts the low paid, Labour approved new oil licences and took Cayman funds! Reform is new to managing councils; Labour had Sunderland for fifty years and left it with the North East’s highest unemployment and one child in three in poverty! The people were not deceived; they were disappointed. Trust is not restored by insulting the electorate. It is restored by examining your own record! | |||
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"I believe Labour will lose votes due to Starmer, as he presents two different personas and is indecisive. For instance, he claims that he made decisions in the interest of the nation, which actually reveals his inability to make choices on his own. This is fundamentally incorrect and highlights his lack of strength. He should possess the fortitude to determine what is beneficial or detrimental for the nation, rather than the contrary. 'People don't hate Labour... they hate Starmer', Labour MP tells BBC Starmer has catastrophically failed to lead and govern responsibly or effectively, and his reserved, deadpan public manner does not aid his position. He also does not represent the traditional Labour Party ethic that many members and voters identify with. Following Thursday’s poor results, in which Labour lost hundreds of seats, sitting Labour MPs will now be assessing the security of their own positions. As party leader, Starmer bears responsibility for the electoral outcome. If he intends to act in the party’s best interests with any integrity, immediate resignation must be considered. Recovery from losses of this scale is virtually impossible under the same leadership, particularly when that leadership is disconnected from the party’s traditional base. Continuing in post risks further electoral damage to Labour, potentially affecting its long-term viability. On that basis, if Starmer has any integrity and concern for those affected by his failings, resignation is his only decent option. " This morning, I watched Lucy Powell and Wes Streeting on BBC, and both of them attempted to defend him, but they came off as quite ridiculous. The more they insist that they won't abandon Starmer, the deeper trouble they'll find themselves in, and the nation will push back against them. As you mentioned, their best option is to change; there's no doubt that the results are catastrophic. | |||
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"I'll admit I had high hopes for Starmer in 2024: he seemed a man of integrity and principles and what was needed to draw a line under the chaos of the last days of the Tories. But he hasn't lived up to the promise. I don't think either his worst haters or strongest supporters would own up to thinking he'd be able to change everything overnight, but he's tried too hard to court the Labour deserters to Reform and lost the working class, whatever that is now. He is also sadly a complete charisma vacuum and as Bojo and Farage will attest, charisma gets results even if you're a complete charlatan with no actual fucking clue. People like those they feel they can relate to, and Starmer's stuffy head boy/prefect vibe is not relatable. Fuck knows where Labour go from here. They just seem to be in an introspective, self-cannibalising death spiral which as a lifelong leftie rather dismays me." If Labour wants to be taken seriously ever again, they’ve got to sack Starmer right now! Keeping him kills any chance of coming back from last Thursday’s wipeout. They lost over 1,000 councilors and got hammered in Northern and Midlands seats they used to own. Never mind the virtual wipe-out in their Welsh heartlands in the Senedd election. Dragging out old big names like Brown and Harman doesn’t help — it just makes Starmer look weaker. They’re totally out of touch with working-class voters now. Even the unions bankrolling Labour are saying “change or die” and demanding a date for him to go. The pressure’s boiling over. Only a complete change of leadership will release it, and it needs to be new blood — someone not tainted by Starmer. | |||
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"Who cares" People who have decent standards and take their civil responsibilities seriously care. Of course, the parasitic plebs just want the benefits without the effort, yet complain vehemently if they’re denied! | |||
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"Who cares People who have decent standards and take their civil responsibilities seriously care. Of course, the parasitic plebs just want the benefits without the effort, yet complain vehemently if they’re denied!" Labour wont rid the UK of parasites. The lucrative system is lawyer led. Problem? get a new law but they are never enforced. Just window dressing. They dont provide vision leadership or management. What is their plan apart from communism? | |||
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"Well said. ".... ... Are you bringing back the birch too? Stop and search for all known Liebour voters? | |||
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"Johnson had charisma yet was a complete disaster as PM. Competence and being taken seriously on the world stage are the two things that should matter. " But was he? Obviously his critics thought so. I wasn't keen on him becoming PM but soon warmed to him. He had a bad run with the pandemic, the Ukraine war, the worldwide cost of living crisis. Without them he might well be enjoying his 2nd term as PM right now. No saying Starmer has had it easy and failed in everything. World events and natural disasters can affect any premiership. He comes across as a ditherer and inept.I don't hate him but do think he is the wrong man for the job. | |||
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"Johnson had charisma yet was a complete disaster as PM. Competence and being taken seriously on the world stage are the two things that should matter. But was he? Obviously his critics thought so. I wasn't keen on him becoming PM but soon warmed to him. He had a bad run with the pandemic, the Ukraine war, the worldwide cost of living crisis. Without them he might well be enjoying his 2nd term as PM right now. No saying Starmer has had it easy and failed in everything. World events and natural disasters can affect any premiership. He comes across as a ditherer and inept.I don't hate him but do think he is the wrong man for the job." .... ... The Peppa Pig Speech epitomised his lack of guile. He was a serial u-turner who lied and denied democracy. What policies did he enact that radicallly changed people's lives? He was seen as a buffoon on the global stage. | |||
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"Johnson had charisma yet was a complete disaster as PM. Competence and being taken seriously on the world stage are the two things that should matter. But was he? Obviously his critics thought so. I wasn't keen on him becoming PM but soon warmed to him. He had a bad run with the pandemic, the Ukraine war, the worldwide cost of living crisis. Without them he might well be enjoying his 2nd term as PM right now. No saying Starmer has had it easy and failed in everything. World events and natural disasters can affect any premiership. He comes across as a ditherer and inept.I don't hate him but do think he is the wrong man for the job." It was his contempt for the nation that did him in, partying during Covid when people could not visit their loved ones dying in hospital- let's not forget that | |||
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"Johnson had charisma yet was a complete disaster as PM. Competence and being taken seriously on the world stage are the two things that should matter. But was he? Obviously his critics thought so. I wasn't keen on him becoming PM but soon warmed to him. He had a bad run with the pandemic, the Ukraine war, the worldwide cost of living crisis. Without them he might well be enjoying his 2nd term as PM right now. No saying Starmer has had it easy and failed in everything. World events and natural disasters can affect any premiership. He comes across as a ditherer and inept.I don't hate him but do think he is the wrong man for the job. .... ... The Peppa Pig Speech epitomised his lack of guile. He was a serial u-turner who lied and denied democracy. What policies did he enact that radicallly changed people's lives? He was seen as a buffoon on the global stage. " Perhaps but your Sir Keir is also a serial u-turner. Denied democaracy in trying to stop some areas voting. Plus most of the policies he has enacted have changed peoples lives i.e. made a lot of people a lot poorer. | |||
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"Johnson had charisma yet was a complete disaster as PM. Competence and being taken seriously on the world stage are the two things that should matter. But was he? Obviously his critics thought so. I wasn't keen on him becoming PM but soon warmed to him. He had a bad run with the pandemic, the Ukraine war, the worldwide cost of living crisis. Without them he might well be enjoying his 2nd term as PM right now. No saying Starmer has had it easy and failed in everything. World events and natural disasters can affect any premiership. He comes across as a ditherer and inept.I don't hate him but do think he is the wrong man for the job. It was his contempt for the nation that did him in, partying during Covid when people could not visit their loved ones dying in hospital- let's not forget that" I don't forget that and it was very wrong of him although I think it was blown out of all proportion by his opponents and the media. Let's not forget that other politicians of other parties broke the Covid rules. Probably Starmer did with the 'beer and curry night' in Durham but being a canny lawyer he managed to get away with it. | |||
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"Seeing how labour are in self destruct mode they will probably replace Starmer with Reeves. Millband or Khan. " Who is Millband? type and go again ..boring | |||
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"Seeing how labour are in self destruct mode they will probably replace Starmer with Reeves. Millband or Khan. Who is Millband? type and go again ..boring " Known affectionately as Silliband. Surprised he has not defected to the Greens. Think if he became PM then Labour's tally of MPs would be down to single figures at the next election | |||
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"Seeing how labour are in self destruct mode they will probably replace Starmer with Reeves. Millband or Khan. Who is Millband? type and go again ..boring " The real Shakespearean brother, in that he stabbed his more capable brother in the back to gain the labour crown only to lose it when his ineffectual incompetence was found out Also looks like he’s having a shit when eating a bacon sandwich of a market stall, total phoney | |||
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"Also looks like he’s having a shit when eating a bacon sandwich of a market stall, total phoney" Ed's bacon butty will go down in Labour history with Michael Foot's donkey jacket and Harold Wilson's "the pound in your pocket" as ultimately meaningless sticks with which to be beaten by the rightwing press when they've got nothing better. I guess at least from the other side we had the entertainment value of Liz and the lettuce | |||
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"My main issue with Miliband is the way he says issue, as in iss-yew, not ishoo like the rest of us. It comes over as posh boy private school educated which isn't a good look for a Labour leader. " My problem with Miliband is the way he has gone about destroying lives and industries of Scotland and the uk oil industry, His policies and that of his government have not in any shape or form allowed a transfer of skills to the green economy thus losing these skilled workers and setting the housing market in oil towns around the country heading into negative equity We lambasted thatcher for this with coal now labour have done the same | |||
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